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Hendrix Invasion On Britain

When Jimi got to England in late 66, all the British cats, i.e. The Beatles, The Stones, The Yardbirds (Clapton, Beck, Page) The Who, were all sitting pretty making a fortune playing their version of Black American music, i.e. Chuck Berry, Little Richard, Robert Johnson, Muddy Waters, etc. Then Jimi came and turned England on it's head. He alone took back what the English bands were doing, put his out of this world spin on it, and then handed it back to them. Jimi was saying "Here, this is how it's done." Jimi was such a threat on so many levels. He was a threat as a guitarist. Jimi literally scared the shit out of everybody with his abilities. Clapton and Townsend who were'nt even friends, had to come together to discuss Jimi. Jeff Beck, who I always thought was the most talented English guitarist, actually considered quitting all together after seeing Jimi play live. Jimmy Page was probably the least honest by claiming that he NEVER even seen Jimi play live. Yeah right. By Page saying that, that was his way of sidestepping the whole "Oh my God, Hendrix is fantastic" praise the other English guitarists were heaping onto Jimi. All of Britain's rock royalty, The Beatles, The Stones, Brian Epstein, everybody, went to those early Hendrix shows. All others had at least seen Jimi once in his lifetime. Everyone except for Page. O.K. sailor, whatever you say. Clapton and Townsend always spoke on how "inadequate" Hendrix made them feel as guitarists. Jimi knew this and went in for the kill. Jimi's thing was "Ya'll have been taking from us (black folks) so now I'm going to take from you." Jimi did this by dressing like rock royalty. But the killer thing was that Jimi looked way better in ruffles than Townsend, Clapton and Page did. Jimi's impact on England was deep. This is for all of the Hendrixphiles like myself.

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Reply #1 posted 02/03/05 4:21pm

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Ive always been more than a little bugged by Clapton's and Townsend's reactions to Hendrix.Most of the other popular brits at the time LOVED Jimi and his music, and didnt feel threatend by his abilities, or veiw him as competition...Clapton apparently got over it (eventually) but to date , Townsend still claims that Jimi "stole" some of his routine.... confused
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Townshend always seemed more awe-struck than hating . . .he conceded that Jimi topped him.

There's certainly a reason Jimi hit in Britain first, For the most part, all those British bands deified Black American musicians. And Jimi was the real thing. As the ultimate souvenir from a trip to the states, he was a fab business venture brought back to England by Chas Chandler of The Animals, (the band that tried the hardest to sound like honest-to-god american colored people, to a degree even moreso than those r&b impressarios The Rolling Stones), Hendrix kicked their asses (and blew they minds) and looked incredible doing it.

If only to have been alive at that time, to have heard those impossible sounds being created, channeling from that magic man, appearing in this world for the very first time . . .
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MrTation said:

Ive always been more than a little bugged by Clapton's and Townsend's reactions to Hendrix.Most of the other popular brits at the time LOVED Jimi and his music, and didnt feel threatend by his abilities, or veiw him as competition...Clapton apparently got over it (eventually) but to date , Townsend still claims that Jimi "stole" some of his routine.... confused

Well, Hendrix DID take Pete's "destruction" thing. U know, the knocking over the speakers, smashing the guitar bit. Townsend was doing that before Jimi got to England. But, Jimi looked cooler doing it, didn't he?
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blackguitaristz said:

.... all the British cats, i.e. The Beatles, The Stones, The Yardbirds (Clapton, Beck, Page) The Who, were all sitting pretty making a fortune playing their version of Black American music, i.e. Chuck Berry, Little Richard, Robert Johnson, Muddy Waters, etc. Then Jimi came and turned England on it's head. He alone took back what the English bands were doing, put his out of this world spin on it, and then handed it back to them. Jimi was saying "Here, this is how it's done."


nod Ndeed! That reminds me of what Charles Schaar Murray said, in his book, "Crosstown Traffic": "....Jimi basically crashed their "Come as a Black Man" party, and walked away with the most glittering prizes....."



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paligap said:



"....Jimi basically crashed their "Come as a Black Man" party, and walked away with the most glittering prizes....."



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Awesome. biggrin

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All of Britain's rock royalty, The Beatles, The Stones, Brian Epstein, everybody, went to those early Hendrix shows. All others had at least seen Jimi once in his lifetime. Everyone except for Page. O.K. sailor, whatever you say.


lol

Jimi did this by dressing like rock royalty. But the killer thing was that Jimi looked way better in ruffles than Townsend, Clapton and Page did.


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...actually, I also got to give it up to Chas Chandler, who set up Jimi's invasion...he saw Jimi and Knew that nobody in the Rock Royalty was gonna be ready for that! lol
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blackguitaristz said:

MrTation said:

Ive always been more than a little bugged by Clapton's and Townsend's reactions to Hendrix.Most of the other popular brits at the time LOVED Jimi and his music, and didnt feel threatend by his abilities, or veiw him as competition...Clapton apparently got over it (eventually) but to date , Townsend still claims that Jimi "stole" some of his routine.... confused

Well, Hendrix DID take Pete's "destruction" thing. U know, the knocking over the speakers, smashing the guitar bit. Townsend was doing that before Jimi got to England. But, Jimi looked cooler doing it, didn't he?


Jimi looked cooler doing just about anything. He could even chew gum cooler than the average cat.
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Reply #9 posted 02/04/05 9:56am

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Jimi was one of those Cats that just dug everything yanno? he flowed with whatever was there, thats what made Jimi cooler than the average cat.
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paligap said:

...actually, I also got to give it up to Chas Chandler, who set up Jimi's invasion...he saw Jimi and Knew that nobody in the Rock Royalty was gonna be ready for that! lol

Chas saw Jimi in New York. Keith Richards girlfriend, Linda Keith, hipped Chas to Jimi and BEGGED him to come see Jimi play. When Chas did, Chas knew right then that Jimi would blow up in England. Chas was the one with the foresight and the means to make Jimi a superstar. All Jimi had to do was float and do his thing. Never has something been so perfectly laid out. It was like England had been waiting for Jimi and Chas knew that. The women had been waiting for a cat like Jimi, which caused some heavy ass tension among cats like Jagger and Clapton.
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Reply #11 posted 02/04/05 10:33am

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Page has always said that he thought Hendrix was a genius. shrug None of the British guitarists of that time have said otherwise, to my knowledge. So what's your point? We all know that Jimi was the top. Why bash Page for never having seen him live? I just don't get where your going with this, you having said yourself that you're a Zeppelin fan many times.
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trashoblanco said:

blackguitaristz said:


Well, Hendrix DID take Pete's "destruction" thing. U know, the knocking over the speakers, smashing the guitar bit. Townsend was doing that before Jimi got to England. But, Jimi looked cooler doing it, didn't he?


Jimi looked cooler doing just about anything. He could even chew gum cooler than the average cat.

Jeff Beck and Keith Richards used to say that Hendrix was so cool that they even tried to hold their cigarette in their mouth like Jimi.
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paligap said:

blackguitaristz said:

.... all the British cats, i.e. The Beatles, The Stones, The Yardbirds (Clapton, Beck, Page) The Who, were all sitting pretty making a fortune playing their version of Black American music, i.e. Chuck Berry, Little Richard, Robert Johnson, Muddy Waters, etc. Then Jimi came and turned England on it's head. He alone took back what the English bands were doing, put his out of this world spin on it, and then handed it back to them. Jimi was saying "Here, this is how it's done."


nod Ndeed! That reminds me of what Charles Schaar Murray said, in his book, "Crosstown Traffic": "....Jimi basically crashed their "Come as a Black Man" party, and walked away with the most glittering prizes....."



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Yep. That book is excellent. It may very well be the best book written about
Jimi.
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It's no question the Jimi "upset the apple-cart" in terms of the London scene, musically and socially.

As pali indicated, props to...



...Chas Chandler for masterminding his marketing.


The local stringers were shaken out of their comfort zones because the American music they were emulating (at least at the outset of their careers) was thrown back at them by an authentic American who'd actually played with those being idolized (Isley Brothers, Little Richard, Jackie Wilson, Sam Cooke, King Curtis etc.).

Being players themselves, they could not deny the level of musicianship Hendrix was bringing to the table. As to the threat he presented to them socially, outside of the comments they made publically, one can only wonder what was really going through their heads.

Keith Richards for example...



...as it was his girlfriend Linda Keith that got Chas Chandler interested in Hendrix.


It's strange that since Brian Jones was one of his biggest boosters...



...that Andrew Loog Oldham (Stones mgr. at the time) passed on the Hendrix opportunity.



Eric Clapton...



...patterned his look while a member of Cream after Jimi (check the fro).



Pete Townsend, not really known as a lead guitarist...



...built his rep off of chords and songs.

Hendrix adopting the "destruction" thing, may have been based on the Monterey Pop discussion on who would follow who (or The Who). As the story goes, Hendrix warned him that if he had to follow them...



...be prepared for a "no holds barred" performance.

Paul McCartney...



...was said to have been the one that suggested to the Monterey Pop promoters to have Hendrix there.
His former wife Linda Eastman took many pics of Jimi during her photography days.


From a pure musicianship point of view, although he may have wanted to quit the 1st time he saw Hendrix, Jeff Beck...



...advanced the furthest as a player. (Haven't run across a pic of him and Jimi, yet)


Probably to greatest tension socially was between Hendrix...



...and Mick Jagger when they played the "you take my girlfriend and i'll take yours" game between Marianne Faithful(?) and Devon Wilson.


Regarding is position as the one setting the trend for fashion, well, pictures speak louder than words.










And last but not least, a conservative Hendrix...




I don't know of any organized plots to unseat the Invading King by any of the above, but it would have been an excercise in futility. Jimi just had too much talent and potential working for him at that point.

If they had been foolish enough to attempt something like that, in the words of funk philosopher George Clinton they would have had to eventually...

Wake up to the coverup and uncover what's up. Yo whassup?


tA

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Reply #15 posted 02/04/05 12:59pm

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theAudience said:

It's no question the Jimi "upset the apple-cart" in terms of the London scene, musically and socially.

As pali indicated, props to...



...Chas Chandler for masterminding his marketing.


The local stringers were shaken out of their comfort zones because the American music they were emulating (at least at the outset of their careers) was thrown back at them by an authentic American who'd actually played with those being idolized (Isley Brothers, Little Richard, Jackie Wilson, Sam Cooke, King Curtis etc.).

Being players themselves, they could not deny the level of musicianship Hendrix was bringing to the table. As to the threat he presented to them socially, outside of the comments they made publically, one can only wonder what was really going through their heads.

Keith Richards for example...



...as it was his girlfriend Linda Keith that got Chas Chandler interested in Hendrix.


It's strange that since Brian Jones was one of his biggest boosters...



...that Andrew Loog Oldham (Stones mgr. at the time) passed on the Hendrix opportunity.



Eric Clapton...



...patterned his look while a member of Cream after Jimi (check the fro).



Pete Townsend, not really known as a lead guitarist...



...built his rep off of chords and songs.

Hendrix adopting the "destruction" thing, may have been based on the Monterey Pop discussion on who would follow who (or The Who). As the story goes, Hendrix warned him that if he had to follow them...



...be prepared for a "no holds barred" performance.

Paul McCartney...



...was said to have been the one that suggested to the Monterey Pop promoters to have Hendrix there. His former wife Linda Eastman took many pics of Jimi during her photography days.


From a pure musicianship point of view, although he may have wanted to quit the 1st time he saw Hendrix, Jeff Beck...



...advanced the furthest as a player. (Haven't run across a pic of him and Jimi, yet)


Probably to greatest tension socially was between Hendrix...



...and Mick Jagger when they played the "you take my girlfriend and i'll take yours" game between Marianne Faithful(?) and Devon Wilson.


Regarding is position as the one setting the trend for fashion, well, pictures speak louder than words.










And last but not least, a conservative Hendrix...




I don't know of any organized plots to unseat the invading King by any of the above, but it would have been an excercise in futility. Jimi just had too much talent and potential working for him at that point.

If they had been foolish enought to attempt something like that, in the words of funk philosopher George Clinton they would have had to...

Wake up to the coverup and uncover what's up. Yo whassup?


tA

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love

Beautiful pictures.
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blackguitaristz said:

Ladies and Gentlemen, that's my cousin posting the great pictures, The Audience.
Thanx, cuz. We Aries know where it's at!


omfg

Get the fuck outta here! Is that why I love y'all so much?

April 7th here! wave

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Reply #18 posted 02/04/05 1:04pm

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ive always had this connection to Jimi since i was real small..seeing these pics just brought it all back to when i was 5 years old and hearing are u experienced for the 1st time.Thanks for the fantastic Pix Big Brah' smile
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FunkMistress said:

blackguitaristz said:

Ladies and Gentlemen, that's my cousin posting the great pictures, The Audience.
Thanx, cuz. We Aries know where it's at!


omfg

Get the fuck outta here! Is that why I love y'all so much?

April 7th here! wave

Aries do reign supreme everywhere we go... dancing jig



yeah we do smile
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FunkMistress said:

blackguitaristz said:

Ladies and Gentlemen, that's my cousin posting the great pictures, The Audience.
Thanx, cuz. We Aries know where it's at!


omfg

Get the fuck outta here! Is that why I love y'all so much?

April 7th here! wave

Aries do reign supreme everywhere we go... dancing jig

See? I told u that limo shit is going to be a reailty.
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TheRealFiness said:

FunkMistress said:



omfg

Get the fuck outta here! Is that why I love y'all so much?

April 7th here! wave

Aries do reign supreme everywhere we go... dancing jig



yeah we do smile


You too? Are all four of us Aries? Finess, blackguitaristz, me and theAudience? That shit is just too good to be true. biggrin
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FunkMistress said:

TheRealFiness said:




yeah we do smile


You too? Are all four of us Aries? Finess, blackguitaristz, me and theAudience? That shit is just too good to be true. biggrin



3.31. here smile
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blackguitaristz said:

FunkMistress said:



omfg

Get the fuck outta here! Is that why I love y'all so much?

April 7th here! wave

Aries do reign supreme everywhere we go... dancing jig

See? I told u that limo shit is going to be a reailty.


mr.green
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hmm

I don't know about you March Aries...
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Reply #26 posted 02/04/05 1:31pm

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FunkMistress said:

hmm

I don't know about you March Aries...

Don't know what?

cool

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whoa 3 days apart?..pretty close there smile
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Me, March 27. That's how The Audience and I got on this Aries thing in the first place, months ago. When I ran a thread about my dad's music, my birthday came up and The Audience told me his was just a day after mine.
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Great photo essay ,tA. cool Thanx
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