My my - such language from a lady!
Okay simmer down now - remember I do think MJ is not guilty. I promise not to tread on your self promotion any more. Cub Scouts honour. At least not today. | |
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Pepina said: Please please please tell us who it is that has been conspiring all these years to bring MJ down so they can get their hands on the Beatles songbook.
Is it the Sony Corp.??? If we are to believe the media reports than it is Sony that is itching to get its hands on that hot property. But Sony is a japanese corp. & I thought it was the evil faceless white powers-that-be in the USA financial world that have been plotting against MJ? I thought this was all about Paul McCartney? You mean its really all about Yoko??? So whats going on is the evil white fininacial American kingpins have aligned with the greedy Japanese warlords and are using the DA's department like a puppet to do their bidding & bring about the destruction of MJ. Its so clear to me now. Oh shut the fuck up. Nobody is saying that it's an evil conspiracy to take the catalog from MJ perpetrated by "the man." Inherent in my argument, and what you seem to miss because you're so fucking jaded, is that the fact of the matter is that the people who control the media, by and large...for whatever reason...have focused on MJ owning the catalog as one of the major ways to discredit him. In the 80s, it was to say that he had no respect for the great Beatles and since he merged it with Sony in 1995, they've used speculation surrounding it to downplay his success (at least fiscally). I suggested that there was a racial motive and provided evidence as to why I thought that was the case. I never asked anybody to accept it as the gospel - it is an op/ed piece and doesn't pretend to be anything else, so instead of unleashing such venom at me, your sentiment would probably be better served attacking those in the so-called objective media who are anything but that. I think most people aren't even aware that MJ owns The Beatles. And if you are trying to say that is why the media is going after him-I think you are way off. I also think that MJ transcended race a long time ago and that any claim that anything that is happening to him has to do with his race is stretching-a lot. "New Power slide...." | |
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You're deluding yourself if you think that most people in the media don't know that Michael owns the Beatles catalog. That shapes their view of Michael, which, in turn, shapes public perception. | |
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3 things about this:
1. Corey Feldman. Nuff said. 2. Feldman gave a different version of the story to the police. 3. Feldman STILL says MJ didn't molest him. Nor did he say that the pictures he showed were pedophilia. LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Former child actor Corey Feldman, who has publicly defended Michael Jackson in the past, said in a recent interview the pop star once showed him a book of nude photos when Feldman was a young teen, ABC News reported on Thursday.
ABC News reported that Feldman, now 33, went to authorities late last week after conducting the interview and has since been subpoenaed as a witness and placed under a gag order in the criminal case against Jackson. A spokesman for Feldman, who appeared as a young actor in such films as ``Gremlins,'' ``The Goonies'' and ``Stand By Me,'' told Reuters that was true. Feldman's interview, set to air on ABC's ``20/20'' program on Friday, was conducted by British journalist Martin Bashir, whose 2003 TV documentary, ``Living with Michael Jackson,'' included an interview with Jackson and the boy who later accused the singer of molesting him. Jury selection in Jackson's trial began on Jan. 31. The 46-year-old entertainer is charged in a 10-count indictment with child molestation and conspiracy to commit child abduction, extortion and false imprisonment. He has pleaded innocent. After his arrest in November 2003, Jackson received expressions of support from several show business associates, including Feldman, who befriended Jackson at the age of 13 but had a falling out with the singer years later. According to excerpts released by ABC News from his recent interview with Bashir, Feldman denied he was ever molested or touched inappropriately by Jackson. But Feldman recounted that during a visit to Jackson's apartment about 20 years ago, he noticed a book on the singer's coffee table containing photographs of nude men and women. ``The book was focused on venereal diseases and the genitalia. ... And he sat down with me and he explained it to me, showed me some different pictures and discussed what those meant,'' Feldman told Bashir. He was 13 or 14 at the time. Jackson would have been in his mid-20s. ``I was kind of grossed out by it. I didn't think of it as a big deal. And for all these years, I probably never thought twice about it,'' Feldman added. Feldman also said he defended Jackson when questioned in 1993 by police investigating previous child molestation accusations against the pop star. But he decided to go public with his account of the nude photos after seeing Bashir's 2003 documentary. ``I started looking at each piece of information,'' he said. ``And with that came this sickening realization that there may have been many occurrences in my life and in my relationship to Michael that created a question of doubt.'' Good night, sweet Prince | 7 June 1958 - 21 April 2016
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Pepina said: Exactly it's the usual paranoiac BS that MJ's fans have been spreading for years , I'm sure that the "white man" doesn't give a f*** about the Beatles catalogue.
Yeah, right, that's only why the media has been preoccupied with his ownership of the catalog since he purchased it. Well, Michael Jackson shouldn't have purchased the Beatles catalog if he was going to do stuff like license 'Revolution' to Nike. John Lennon was probably rolling in his grave so Michael could buy another elephant for Neverland Ranch. Certain songs should never be used to sell sneakers, and Revolution is definitely among them. I'm the first mammal to wear pants. | |
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Axchi696 said: Pepina said: Yeah, right, that's only why the media has been preoccupied with his ownership of the catalog since he purchased it. Well, Michael Jackson shouldn't have purchased the Beatles catalog if he was going to do stuff like license 'Revolution' to Nike. John Lennon was probably rolling in his grave so Michael could buy another elephant for Neverland Ranch. Certain songs should never be used to sell sneakers, and Revolution is definitely among them. Well, though I don't agree with it... he did buy it, so he gets to do whatever the hell he wants to do with it! |
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Axchi696 said: Pepina said: Yeah, right, that's only why the media has been preoccupied with his ownership of the catalog since he purchased it. Well, Michael Jackson shouldn't have purchased the Beatles catalog if he was going to do stuff like license 'Revolution' to Nike. John Lennon was probably rolling in his grave so Michael could buy another elephant for Neverland Ranch. Certain songs should never be used to sell sneakers, and Revolution is definitely among them. Paul McCartney doesn't think twice about selling other peoples songs for adverts and film. I've heard Chuck Berry in unusual places and McCartney owns alot of his stuff. Michael has taken good care of the Beatles catalogue IMO. He also owns alot of Sly Stones work and it's not like we here Sly in adverts every week is it? I think Michael has a lot of respect for the artists in the catalogues he owns. What i want to know is who owns the catalogue containing James Brown's 'I Feel Good'. I'm sick of that song advertising everything! Somebody is making money, and i bet it's not James! | |
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Pepina said: You're deluding yourself if you think that most people in the media don't know that Michael owns the Beatles catalog. That shapes their view of Michael, which, in turn, shapes public perception.
I am gonna have to disagree with you. I think that the average joe person isn't aware that Michael Jackson owns The Beatles. People who are more "in the know" about music, the business, and MJ or The Beatles know he owns the catolog for sure. However, despite all of this-that is WITHOUT A DOUBT not what shapes people's public perception of MJ. People don't think he is weird or a freak out of hate for him owning The Beatles. People think MJ is a freak because of this (and I say this as a fan of MJ): What he has done to his face. Dangling his kids. His kids wearing Masks. Him seeming asexual. His lightened skin. The possibility of him molesting kids. I could go on and on. You are the one deluding yourself with the conspiracy theory about how people are trying to take him down because he owns The Beatles. I doubt you could find many who agree with you. If you wanna try it out-post a message asking people if they think all that is happening to Mj is because he owns The Beatles and see what the responses are. [Edited 2/11/05 8:57am] "New Power slide...." | |
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Oh shut the fuck up. Nobody is saying that it's an evil conspiracy to take the catalog from MJ perpetrated by "the man
MJ and his die hard fans do | |
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Michael told Paul that he was gonna buy the Beatles catalogue (some of Elvis' 2). Paul thought he was just joking. He can't say he didn't see it coming. It's Michael's now, he can do with it whatever he decides 2 do. Yes, it is a big deal that a successful black man owns the publishing rights 2 music, because many of Michael's idols were screwed by their record companies, and they still have yet 2 reap the benefits of all their hard labor. Michael has never been oblivious 2 all the resentment 2wards him all these years. He wasn't born in2 riches. | |
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scorp84 said: Michael told Paul that he was gonna buy the Beatles catalogue (some of Elvis' 2). Paul thought he was just joking. He can't say he didn't see it coming. It's Michael's now, he can do with it whatever he decides 2 do. Yes, it is a big deal that a successful black man owns the publishing rights 2 music, because many of Michael's idols were screwed by their record companies, and they still have yet 2 reap the benefits of all their hard labor. Michael has never been oblivious 2 all the resentment 2wards him all these years. He wasn't born in2 riches.
Agree with everything you said. However, MJ owning The Beatles catalog, unlike what some seem to be saying, isn't why he is in trouble now-or viewed as being weird. "New Power slide...." | |
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skywalker said: scorp84 said: Michael told Paul that he was gonna buy the Beatles catalogue (some of Elvis' 2). Paul thought he was just joking. He can't say he didn't see it coming. It's Michael's now, he can do with it whatever he decides 2 do. Yes, it is a big deal that a successful black man owns the publishing rights 2 music, because many of Michael's idols were screwed by their record companies, and they still have yet 2 reap the benefits of all their hard labor. Michael has never been oblivious 2 all the resentment 2wards him all these years. He wasn't born in2 riches.
Agree with everything you said. However, MJ owning The Beatles catalog, unlike what some seem to be saying, isn't why he is in trouble now-or viewed as being weird. isn't it... i've always ponder this question... But MJ did recieve alot of hatred from "Caucasions" because of this... we all know this... I have friends who happen to hate Him Primarily because he owns the beatles catalogue... and i imagine theirs alot more out there... Now im not saying that the investigation is about this, no, the Investigation is about Fame not race... But what im saying is that Alot of beatles fans are bitter because he owns it. (i don't know why) I've always thought The ATV catalogue was a brilliant asset to aquire, But do we really wan't Mcartney Owning the Publishing... I never saw George Harrison Complaining about MJ's beatles Asset, as a matter of fact Dhani his son, said his relationship with Michael was always on good terms... Plus owning the catalogue Jackson only gets a fraction of the revenues, he still has to pay out royalties to his artist... Including Mcartney... who always askes for a raise and never recieves it lol maybe thats why he's bitter | |
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Luv4oneanotha said: skywalker said: Agree with everything you said. However, MJ owning The Beatles catalog, unlike what some seem to be saying, isn't why he is in trouble now-or viewed as being weird. isn't it... i've always ponder this question... But MJ did recieve alot of hatred from "Caucasions" because of this... we all know this... I have friends who happen to hate Him Primarily because he owns the beatles catalogue... and i imagine theirs alot more out there... Now im not saying that the investigation is about this, no, the Investigation is about Fame not race... But what im saying is that Alot of beatles fans are bitter because he owns it. (i don't know why) I've always thought The ATV catalogue was a brilliant asset to aquire, But do we really wan't Mcartney Owning the Publishing... I never saw George Harrison Complaining about MJ's beatles Asset, as a matter of fact Dhani his son, said his relationship with Michael was always on good terms... Plus owning the catalogue Jackson only gets a fraction of the revenues, he still has to pay out royalties to his artist... Including Mcartney... who always askes for a raise and never recieves it lol maybe thats why he's bitter Well, if you're trying to insinuate that Paul is just a sore loser, Yoko Ono and Julian Lennon were none too pleased about the usage of Revolution. Maybe it's just cause MJ never licensed any of George's "important" songs to shoe commercials. I'm the first mammal to wear pants. | |
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Axchi696 said: Luv4oneanotha said: isn't it... i've always ponder this question... But MJ did recieve alot of hatred from "Caucasions" because of this... we all know this... I have friends who happen to hate Him Primarily because he owns the beatles catalogue... and i imagine theirs alot more out there... Now im not saying that the investigation is about this, no, the Investigation is about Fame not race... But what im saying is that Alot of beatles fans are bitter because he owns it. (i don't know why) I've always thought The ATV catalogue was a brilliant asset to aquire, But do we really wan't Mcartney Owning the Publishing... I never saw George Harrison Complaining about MJ's beatles Asset, as a matter of fact Dhani his son, said his relationship with Michael was always on good terms... Plus owning the catalogue Jackson only gets a fraction of the revenues, he still has to pay out royalties to his artist... Including Mcartney... who always askes for a raise and never recieves it lol maybe thats why he's bitter Well, if you're trying to insinuate that Paul is just a sore loser, Yoko Ono and Julian Lennon were none too pleased about the usage of Revolution. Maybe it's just cause MJ never licensed any of George's "important" songs to shoe commercials. Yoko Ono and Julian still have a good relationship with Michael... They where the ones that Gave MJ the OK to use it, and helped him buy it, Yokoi did not wan't it in the hands of Mcartney... probably for her own personal reasons... You have to understand that this is a Business... And out of all the years of ownership, Your upset because he used it in a Shoe Comercial? Other than that Jackson i Believe has been very good to the Catalogue... Maybe its the fact that a black man owns the rights to what is arguably the greatest Caucasion Group in history? The very same Black men who shattered theirs and Elvis's world records into peices... Now i don't wan't to be the first to shout Racism... But would the reaction be different if it where owned by a White Cooperate Mogul... You shouldn't mix morals with business... thus your argument about the Nike Comercial is Null and Void... I'll tell you the same thing that MJ told Paul once he aquired the catalogue "Its Just Business" | |
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namepeace said: 3 things about this:
1. Corey Feldman. Nuff said. 2. Feldman gave a different version of the story to the police. 3. Feldman STILL says MJ didn't molest him. Nor did he say that the pictures he showed were pedophilia. 1. Corey Feldman. Nuff said? What if he's telling the truth? Where is he on record for ever lying about anything of this nature? 2. Feldman didn't give a different version of the story. He said Michael didn't touch him sexually. And now he's saying, "Hey! But he did show me dirty pictures like this other kid is claiming!" 3. I doubt the pictures were of pedophilia. I doubt boys (particularly heterosexual boys) are "turned on" by pedophilia. Feldman said Jackson made reference to Playboy, Penthouse, and the like. That's probably what Jackson used to stimulate his interaction with the boys (to speak delicately of that matter). | |
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Luv4oneanotha said: Axchi696 said: Well, if you're trying to insinuate that Paul is just a sore loser, Yoko Ono and Julian Lennon were none too pleased about the usage of Revolution. Maybe it's just cause MJ never licensed any of George's "important" songs to shoe commercials. Yoko Ono and Julian still have a good relationship with Michael... They where the ones that Gave MJ the OK to use it, and helped him buy it, Yokoi did not wan't it in the hands of Mcartney... probably for her own personal reasons... You have to understand that this is a Business... And out of all the years of ownership, Your upset because he used it in a Shoe Comercial? Other than that Jackson i Believe has been very good to the Catalogue... Maybe its the fact that a black man owns the rights to what is arguably the greatest Caucasion Group in history? The very same Black men who shattered theirs and Elvis's world records into peices... Now i don't wan't to be the first to shout Racism... But would the reaction be different if it where owned by a White Cooperate Mogul... You shouldn't mix morals with business... thus your argument about the Nike Comercial is Null and Void... I'll tell you the same thing that MJ told Paul once he aquired the catalogue "Its Just Business" Well, that's "very devilish" of you. BTW, George Harrison himself told Musician magazine this in 1987: "What has happened is some people have used the Beatles catalog without the right to use it. People who haven't got the right have been given the right..." and in the same interview he said: "If it's allowed to happen, every Beatles song ever recorded is going to be advertising women's underwear and sausages. We've got to put a stop to it in order to set a precedent. It's one thing to be dead, but we're still around! They don't have any respect for the fact that we wrote and recorded those songs, and it was our lives"... Now, when MJ sells HIS own songs to Nike, JC Penney, HP Printers, or Panasonic, then maybe I (and George's estate) will reconsider our opinions. I'm the first mammal to wear pants. | |
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Axchi696 said: Luv4oneanotha said: Yoko Ono and Julian still have a good relationship with Michael... They where the ones that Gave MJ the OK to use it, and helped him buy it, Yokoi did not wan't it in the hands of Mcartney... probably for her own personal reasons... You have to understand that this is a Business... And out of all the years of ownership, Your upset because he used it in a Shoe Comercial? Other than that Jackson i Believe has been very good to the Catalogue... Maybe its the fact that a black man owns the rights to what is arguably the greatest Caucasion Group in history? The very same Black men who shattered theirs and Elvis's world records into peices... Now i don't wan't to be the first to shout Racism... But would the reaction be different if it where owned by a White Cooperate Mogul... You shouldn't mix morals with business... thus your argument about the Nike Comercial is Null and Void... I'll tell you the same thing that MJ told Paul once he aquired the catalogue "Its Just Business" Well, that's "very devilish" of you. BTW, George Harrison himself told Musician magazine this in 1987: "What has happened is some people have used the Beatles catalog without the right to use it. People who haven't got the right have been given the right..." and in the same interview he said: "If it's allowed to happen, every Beatles song ever recorded is going to be advertising women's underwear and sausages. We've got to put a stop to it in order to set a precedent. It's one thing to be dead, but we're still around! They don't have any respect for the fact that we wrote and recorded those songs, and it was our lives"... Now, when MJ sells HIS own songs to Nike, JC Penney, HP Printers, or Panasonic, then maybe I (and George's estate) will reconsider our opinions. Mj doesn't own his own Publishing, i don't think... but back to subject... MJ has not used the beatles publishing for sausage and female underwear comercials, he has made a few Beatles greatest hits and a rerelease of Sgt. Peppers... which i might add was very prosperous, I say is as long as the checks keep knocking at your door, you have nothing to complain about... People are willing to pay exstravagant amounts of money just to use a sample of your music in a comercial... The beatles are a cash crop, He can sell all the other artiost on the ATV catalogue to his sony partnership, but own beatles publishing and he'll always have a steady income... now until Sir Pul Mcartney can back up his whining with a nice big check to buy it off of him... you just have to cope | |
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I dont think Lennons have a problem with MJ. Didnt Sean Lennon say MJ was the reason he is into music? | |
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LightOfArt said: I dont think Lennons have a problem with MJ. Didnt Sean Lennon say MJ was the reason he is into music?
i think, if mj was gonna give it to anyone, he'd probably give it to Sean or Julian | |
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Mj doesn't own his own Publishing, i don't think...
Oh, he most certainly does! Mijac (sometimes credited as Miran) Music contains all of Michael's compositions, as well as the compositions of Sly Stone, some Gamble/Huff, Ray Charles and Isley Brothers songs. There are over 830 songs in his personal music catalog, not even counting the songs in Sony/ATV! | |
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Pepina said: Mj doesn't own his own Publishing, i don't think...
Oh, he most certainly does! Mijac (sometimes credited as Miran) Music contains all of Michael's compositions, as well as the compositions of Sly Stone, some Gamble/Huff, Ray Charles and Isley Brothers songs. There are over 830 songs in his personal music catalog, not even counting the songs in Sony/ATV! ... Your Scary | |
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I think MJ doesn own rights to his music, doesn´t he? "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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As far as I know the rights to Thriller and Bad weren't his since early 90s(because of the contract he signed with Sony). Now he fulfilled everything the contract said "2 more albums(HIStory, Invincible), a remix album(Blood), a best of (no 1s) and a boxset(Ultimate Collection), so he probably will get his rights back. | |
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LightOfArt said: As far as I know the rights to Thriller and Bad weren't his since early 90s(because of the contract he signed with Sony). Now he fulfilled everything the contract said "2 more albums(HIStory, Invincible), a remix album(Blood), a best of (no 1s) and a boxset(Ultimate Collection), so he probably will get his rights back.
arent him and Sony in a Stalemate Battle for the Sony/ATV catalogue, He owns half of Sony Publishing Including Atv and Sony holds his Publishing.... | |
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Luv4oneanotha said: LightOfArt said: As far as I know the rights to Thriller and Bad weren't his since early 90s(because of the contract he signed with Sony). Now he fulfilled everything the contract said "2 more albums(HIStory, Invincible), a remix album(Blood), a best of (no 1s) and a boxset(Ultimate Collection), so he probably will get his rights back.
arent him and Sony in a Stalemate Battle for the Sony/ATV catalogue, He owns half of Sony Publishing Including Atv and Sony holds his Publishing.... wasnt that a part of the same contract which gave his rights of Bad and Thriller to Sony? If so, he'll will get that other half of Sony/Atv catalogue from sony back along with the rights to his own songs. It was a good deal for Mike because they paid him some 100 millions, didnt they? and now he'll get all the rights back. Do you think sony made more than how much they gave him, in these 10 or so years? spellingedit [Edited 2/12/05 10:19am] | |
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LightOfArt said: Luv4oneanotha said: arent him and Sony in a Stalemate Battle for the Sony/ATV catalogue, He owns half of Sony Publishing Including Atv and Sony holds his Publishing.... wasnt that a part of the same contract which gave his rights of Bad and Thriller to Sony? If so, he'll will get that other half of Sony/Atv catalogue from sony back along with the rights to his own songs. It was a good deal for Mike because they paid him some 100 millions, didnt they? and now he'll get all the rights back. Do you think sony made more than how much they gave him, in these 10 or so years? spellingedit [Edited 2/12/05 10:19am] Yah but Didn't Sony Try to make him Default on the Catlogue, by Sabotaging Invincible? I believe thats why Matolla Haulted Promotion and videos after three monthes, He knew that MJ had alot of money involved in the invincible Project, But Invincible Sold enough for MJ to break even, so the plan failed If mj wasn't able to pay off his loans he would automatically have to give up his half... | |
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Luv4oneanotha said: LightOfArt said: wasnt that a part of the same contract which gave his rights of Bad and Thriller to Sony? If so, he'll will get that other half of Sony/Atv catalogue from sony back along with the rights to his own songs. It was a good deal for Mike because they paid him some 100 millions, didnt they? and now he'll get all the rights back. Do you think sony made more than how much they gave him, in these 10 or so years? spellingedit [Edited 2/12/05 10:19am] Yah but Didn't Sony Try to make him Default on the Catlogue, by Sabotaging Invincible? I believe thats why Matolla Haulted Promotion and videos after three monthes, He knew that MJ had alot of money involved in the invincible Project, But Invincible Sold enough for MJ to break even, so the plan failed If mj wasn't able to pay off his loans he would automatically have to give up his half... yeah that's the theory that makes the most sense. There's that other theory that Motolla didnt promote Invincible coz it's shit | |
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LightOfArt said: Luv4oneanotha said: Yah but Didn't Sony Try to make him Default on the Catlogue, by Sabotaging Invincible? I believe thats why Matolla Haulted Promotion and videos after three monthes, He knew that MJ had alot of money involved in the invincible Project, But Invincible Sold enough for MJ to break even, so the plan failed If mj wasn't able to pay off his loans he would automatically have to give up his half... yeah that's the theory that makes the most sense. There's that other theory that Motolla didnt promote Invincible coz it's shit Either way he "Quit" Something "Devilish" was going down either way | |
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