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PrintableLuv4oneanotha said: thedoorkeeper said: Was he found guilty of this? If he wasn't then he is innocent of jury tampering. Michael Jackson has faced child molestation charges. Its in his history. He lost the civil suit, no criminal charges where pressed he was made to pay a fine, thats about it... so i guess yeah he was guilty of it... it wasn't a serious offence because it was justa civil suit... but its also why the Attorney General Wanted him thrown off case... but he can't throw him off unless if he's convicted of Criminal Charges... So he is guilty of jury tampering to the same degree that OJ is guilty of murder. | |
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thedoorkeeper said: Luv4oneanotha said: He lost the civil suit, no criminal charges where pressed he was made to pay a fine, thats about it... so i guess yeah he was guilty of it... it wasn't a serious offence because it was justa civil suit... but its also why the Attorney General Wanted him thrown off case... but he can't throw him off unless if he's convicted of Criminal Charges... So he is guilty of jury tampering to the same degree that OJ is guilty of murder. you can say that... | |
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scorp84 said: Thank you so much for posting this site. After reading this, there is no way in hell that I believe that MJ is guilty.I can't wait till the trial starts and this foolishness is put to rest. GO MIKEY!!! :illimack pumps a fist in the air.: **************************************************
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look im not saying, theres no chance... mj is guilty... there is a good 10% chance...
chances are slim, Jackson is not the common Pedophile... Forget what the police say, and the media hacks say "he's not" The Farrest psycological analysis have diagnosed Jackson is he could resembled The Reflective Pedophile... Simply put he interacts with children...as a way to regain a lost youth... ... this is an uncommon pedophile symptom, but it does exist and thats what the police mean when they say "He fits there description" what they don't say is that the Reflective Pedophile steriotype is one of the most proposterous template's of a pedophile... Out of all the analysis, the said "reflective Pedophile... is the least common but the most arrested... because their are many adults that have played with children and have gotten arrested or suspected of abuse... 85% of accusations are false... but... where dealing with a man who's been accused before... we are alos dealing with an icon, who's been extorted by any means... whether its by book slander, False Copyright infrigements the whole 9 it isn't just Child Molestation... Everybody's suing Jackson... to get some kind of compensation... thus making him an easy target... thats why i pity those of you who claim he's guilty without reading EVERYTHING about him... cause if you indeed have read everything... The doubt that he is guilty will grow... and you will question these present allegations as well Since 93 Jackson has had a weakness... whether it was his own fault or not he had it... any adult witha child can captilize on an already wounded Popstar... I once had a survey at another forum, of how many people would lie or betray a celeb friend, for a million dollar payout... more than 70's said yes... that's including me... | |
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and for a history of false Child Molestation accusations
visit here http://www.menweb.org/thr...child.html becareful who you condemn... he/she might be innocent | |
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Luv4oneanotha said: and for a history of false Child Molestation accusations
visit here http://www.menweb.org/thr...child.html becareful who you condemn... he/she might be innocent So, Luv4oneanotha- is MJ going to be found not guilty???? What does your gut feeling tell you? "New Power slide...." |
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Sorry, my gut tells me MJ's in trouble. I don't know all the facts, though.
I need to see them from an unfiltered perspective, whether that perspective is celebrity journalist or megafan. Good night, sweet Prince | 7 June 1958 - 21 April 2016
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Well, that unfiltered perspective can be found in the GQ article "Was Michael Jackson Framed", and also Geraldine Hughes new book. The Truth and The Facts are all out there so dont go sayin "i think he's done for", "he's guilty", "he's a pedophile" before you examine the truth! | |
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I'm sure that Jackson army have an explanation for this:
"Now, Court TV's Investigative Unit can reveal some of the specifics. One of the books confiscated from Jackson's home in 1993 is entitled "The Boy: A Photographic Essay." According to child erotica connoisseurs on the Internet, this rare book is considered to be "a homoerotic classic." The book, published in 1964, contains dozens of photographs of nude prepubescent boys, many in suggestive poses. There are nude boys captured outdoors, nude boys who appear to be posing for the camera, and boys displaying full frontal nudity. Dr. Patricia Farrell, who has worked with pedophiles and their victims, studied the book for Court TV and concluded, "I think that this book could be used as a vehicle in a plan for seduction." Dr. Farrell said the photos in the book are perfect ammunition for a pedophile to use to begin a dialogue with a potential victim. "It's to introduce that whole sexual kind of atmosphere," Dr. Farrell explained. "Then you can begin to use [it] and go on from there. You know, it's like going through a maze [for the molester]. They don't go through directly to the target — you go this way and that way to get to the target." Retired NYPD sex crimes investigator Joe Gelfand, who worked in the pedophile unit for 12 years along with associates from the FBI, also studied the book. In his opinion, the coffee-table-size tome "is geared for people who, I would say, would be sexually attracted to adolescent boys." Asked if he considered it a pornographic book, Gelfand told Court TV, "I've made any arrests in my day and many times we've seen photographs like this in the homes of pedophiles. It's not sexually explicit, but it is erotica. It is child erotica." | |
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
I cant believe they write this shit, i mean seriously, do u actually believe that they found that book at neverland! Do u not think his staff and everyone who works there would be a little worried and running to report it. Do u not think all his friends would be worried And Why the hell would Lisa Marie marry someone with books like that lying around, i mean, she did state back then that she raided his room just in case the rumours were true and found absolutely nothing, and then was disappointed in herself for even considering the fact that Michael could be a sexual monster! | |
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jn2 said: I'm sure that Jackson army have an explanation for this:
"Now, Court TV's Investigative Unit can reveal some of the specifics. One of the books confiscated from Jackson's home in 1993 is entitled "The Boy: A Photographic Essay." According to child erotica connoisseurs on the Internet, this rare book is considered to be "a homoerotic classic." The book, published in 1964, contains dozens of photographs of nude prepubescent boys, many in suggestive poses. There are nude boys captured outdoors, nude boys who appear to be posing for the camera, and boys displaying full frontal nudity. Dr. Patricia Farrell, who has worked with pedophiles and their victims, studied the book for Court TV and concluded, "I think that this book could be used as a vehicle in a plan for seduction." Dr. Farrell said the photos in the book are perfect ammunition for a pedophile to use to begin a dialogue with a potential victim. "It's to introduce that whole sexual kind of atmosphere," Dr. Farrell explained. "Then you can begin to use [it] and go on from there. You know, it's like going through a maze [for the molester]. They don't go through directly to the target — you go this way and that way to get to the target." Retired NYPD sex crimes investigator Joe Gelfand, who worked in the pedophile unit for 12 years along with associates from the FBI, also studied the book. In his opinion, the coffee-table-size tome "is geared for people who, I would say, would be sexually attracted to adolescent boys." Asked if he considered it a pornographic book, Gelfand told Court TV, "I've made any arrests in my day and many times we've seen photographs like this in the homes of pedophiles. It's not sexually explicit, but it is erotica. It is child erotica." ... I read this book for my Photography Class... and did an essay on it for Philosophy there's nothing Homo Erotic about it... Its quite a Beautiful Book I swear americans are Such Prudes... It doesn't surprise me that MJ has this book, its quite popular in europe... well because there not prudes... but lets be serious... i'll give you chance... lets say he was using this book for pornographic reasons... I read this book its only like about 20 pages out of Mj's Child porn collection this is it... C'mon... This book is filled with beautiful photography and excerpts by the Poet Byron, who is one of mj's fav poets... mmm doesn't sound so shocking anymore... dude... Pedophiles have Cache's of child porn... and they usually have a habit of video taping and photographing their victims, to sell to other pedophiles or to keep for themselves and masturbate too ALA "R.Kelly" If your telling me that out of all the books, and all the trap doors, caches locks all you can find is a book from the 60's? C'mon? this is probably the same book they found in 93, and it hasn't left the bookshelf since... Plus you gotta realize... this is Court Tv they Glorify everything... But if this is all they got... Prosecution is in a bad ways... | |
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jn2 said: I'm sure that Jackson army have an explanation for this:
"Now, Court TV's Investigative Unit can reveal some of the specifics. One of the books confiscated from Jackson's home in 1993 is entitled "The Boy: A Photographic Essay." According to child erotica connoisseurs on the Internet, this rare book is considered to be "a homoerotic classic." The book, published in 1964, contains dozens of photographs of nude prepubescent boys, many in suggestive poses. There are nude boys captured outdoors, nude boys who appear to be posing for the camera, and boys displaying full frontal nudity. Dr. Patricia Farrell, who has worked with pedophiles and their victims, studied the book for Court TV and concluded, "I think that this book could be used as a vehicle in a plan for seduction." Dr. Farrell said the photos in the book are perfect ammunition for a pedophile to use to begin a dialogue with a potential victim. "It's to introduce that whole sexual kind of atmosphere," Dr. Farrell explained. "Then you can begin to use [it] and go on from there. You know, it's like going through a maze [for the molester]. They don't go through directly to the target — you go this way and that way to get to the target." Retired NYPD sex crimes investigator Joe Gelfand, who worked in the pedophile unit for 12 years along with associates from the FBI, also studied the book. In his opinion, the coffee-table-size tome "is geared for people who, I would say, would be sexually attracted to adolescent boys." Asked if he considered it a pornographic book, Gelfand told Court TV, "I've made any arrests in my day and many times we've seen photographs like this in the homes of pedophiles. It's not sexually explicit, but it is erotica. It is child erotica." Two days after this aired the judge threw this book out of evidence, so it won't be admissable at trial. "It's better 2 B hated 4 what U R than 2 B loved 4 what U R not."
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SpcMs said: jn2 said: I'm sure that Jackson army have an explanation for this:
"Now, Court TV's Investigative Unit can reveal some of the specifics. One of the books confiscated from Jackson's home in 1993 is entitled "The Boy: A Photographic Essay." According to child erotica connoisseurs on the Internet, this rare book is considered to be "a homoerotic classic." The book, published in 1964, contains dozens of photographs of nude prepubescent boys, many in suggestive poses. There are nude boys captured outdoors, nude boys who appear to be posing for the camera, and boys displaying full frontal nudity. Dr. Patricia Farrell, who has worked with pedophiles and their victims, studied the book for Court TV and concluded, "I think that this book could be used as a vehicle in a plan for seduction." Dr. Farrell said the photos in the book are perfect ammunition for a pedophile to use to begin a dialogue with a potential victim. "It's to introduce that whole sexual kind of atmosphere," Dr. Farrell explained. "Then you can begin to use [it] and go on from there. You know, it's like going through a maze [for the molester]. They don't go through directly to the target — you go this way and that way to get to the target." Retired NYPD sex crimes investigator Joe Gelfand, who worked in the pedophile unit for 12 years along with associates from the FBI, also studied the book. In his opinion, the coffee-table-size tome "is geared for people who, I would say, would be sexually attracted to adolescent boys." Asked if he considered it a pornographic book, Gelfand told Court TV, "I've made any arrests in my day and many times we've seen photographs like this in the homes of pedophiles. It's not sexually explicit, but it is erotica. It is child erotica." Two days after this aired the judge threw this book out of evidence, so it won't be admissable at trial. Serious? damn with that evidence prosecution had a good chance... yikes... not good | |
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skywalker said: "If you take a look at the circus that is beginning with this trial, giving up some money to get rid of the mess begins to look quite appealing, 20 million sounds like a shitload to us but you can be sure it looks much different from his perspective!
It looks like this trial process will take up at least 2 years of his life and 2 years is probably worth 20 million several times over to Michael Jackson. Yeah it was probably a rash decision that made him seem guilty to people who didn't try to understand why he would do that, but who's to stop him doing it if he wants to, he was probably pretty hurt and pissed off about the whole thing" $20 million might be worth two years to Michael Jackson, however, by paying off the 1st kid he has made it possible for what is happening now. Is $20 million worth his reputation??? No. If he'd would have gone to trial in 1993/94 and been found not guilty, would this trial even be happening now? Probably not. Would people still wonder if he molests kids? Maybe, but not to the extent that they do now. $20 million wasn't worth it. He shoulda fought it the 1st time. Now his damaged rep and all those questions are causing him to be vulnerable now, both in the court of public opinionb and the court of law. [Edited 2/3/05 9:43am] I'm not saying he made a GOOD decision in paying of the kid/family/whatever, in hindsight yes i agree it was a bad, possibly very bad decision made under pressure. But they never had evidence to take that case to criminal court so as it stands MJ has never been found guilty of such a thing and people have extorted millions from him through his naivety and vulnerability to this kind of accusation..... Music, sweet music, I wish I could caress and...kiss, kiss... | |
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jayaredee said: i so want his glasses
 Those are some hot specs."A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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jn2 said: a bunch of crap about "The Boy: A Photographic Essay" being kiddie porn, child erotica, or whatever.
Some photos from the book: 
That's some kinky, hardcore shit right there.
The moral of the story: Check out the facts before you pass off some crap you heard on TV as fact. "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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Cloudbuster said:  "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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I haven't seen them before. This thread gets better every day! 
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So,Michael likes reading that book and Hustler magazine too? 
It's getting increasingly harder and harder to find the humor in this  | |
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DavidEye said: So,Michael likes reading that book and Hustler magazine too?
It's getting increasingly harder and harder to find the humor in this I'm sleepy and can't tell if you were being sarcastic or not. What's wrong with "The Boy..." ? From what I've seen, it's just a book of some nice photos. I'd read it. It looks cute.  "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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Luv4oneanotha said: jn2 said: I'm sure that Jackson army have an explanation for this:
"Now, Court TV's Investigative Unit can reveal some of the specifics. One of the books confiscated from Jackson's home in 1993 is entitled "The Boy: A Photographic Essay." According to child erotica connoisseurs on the Internet, this rare book is considered to be "a homoerotic classic." The book, published in 1964, contains dozens of photographs of nude prepubescent boys, many in suggestive poses. There are nude boys captured outdoors, nude boys who appear to be posing for the camera, and boys displaying full frontal nudity. Dr. Patricia Farrell, who has worked with pedophiles and their victims, studied the book for Court TV and concluded, "I think that this book could be used as a vehicle in a plan for seduction." Dr. Farrell said the photos in the book are perfect ammunition for a pedophile to use to begin a dialogue with a potential victim. "It's to introduce that whole sexual kind of atmosphere," Dr. Farrell explained. "Then you can begin to use [it] and go on from there. You know, it's like going through a maze [for the molester]. They don't go through directly to the target — you go this way and that way to get to the target." Retired NYPD sex crimes investigator Joe Gelfand, who worked in the pedophile unit for 12 years along with associates from the FBI, also studied the book. In his opinion, the coffee-table-size tome "is geared for people who, I would say, would be sexually attracted to adolescent boys." Asked if he considered it a pornographic book, Gelfand told Court TV, "I've made any arrests in my day and many times we've seen photographs like this in the homes of pedophiles. It's not sexually explicit, but it is erotica. It is child erotica." ... I read this book for my Photography Class... and did an essay on it for Philosophy there's nothing Homo Erotic about it... Its quite a Beautiful Book I swear americans are Such Prudes... It doesn't surprise me that MJ has this book, its quite popular in europe... well because there not prudes... but lets be serious... i'll give you chance... lets say he was using this book for pornographic reasons... I read this book its only like about 20 pages out of Mj's Child porn collection this is it... C'mon... This book is filled with beautiful photography and excerpts by the Poet Byron, who is one of mj's fav poets... mmm doesn't sound so shocking anymore... dude... Pedophiles have Cache's of child porn... and they usually have a habit of video taping and photographing their victims, to sell to other pedophiles or to keep for themselves and masturbate too ALA "R.Kelly" If your telling me that out of all the books, and all the trap doors, caches locks all you can find is a book from the 60's? C'mon? this is probably the same book they found in 93, and it hasn't left the bookshelf since... Plus you gotta realize... this is Court Tv they Glorify everything... But if this is all they got... Prosecution is in a bad ways... I like the answers about the book info, as if the Hugues book and the GQ article were not 100% pro MJ innocence 1) it's court tv, not "it's false" but just "it's court tv", 2) it's not a pro pedophilia book, if it's not one http://www.xs4all.nl/~johnie/jpptb.htm I don't know what it is, oh yeah a "work of art" 
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This was apparently printed in the Cincinnati Enquirer on 1/28/2005 Mindy Montgomery Enquirer Staff Writer Accuser Read 93 Complaint Michael Jacksons Trial is set to start on Monday January 31, but on the eve of the "Biggest Show On Earth", sources close to the case have uncovered that the family accusing Jackson of child molestation, went to The Smoking Gun website in May of 2003 and downloaded the Civil Complaint from the 1993 Molestation Case. The Mother, according to Grand Jury Documents, Went to the Police in June of 2003, with Larry Feldman, and told the officers that Michael Jackson bought a computer for her son in 2001 , when the child was diagnosed with cancer, she suspected Michael of sending "erotic" emails to her child. The Police asked the family for the computer in November of 2003 when Jackson was arrested. Sources close to the Defense, say that Police did Hard Drive searches of Jackson's Computers, but never searched the computer that belong to the boy. According to the Jackson camp, the Defense , hired there own computer expert and had the Hard Drives searched, and the only "erotic" material found was the 93 Civil Complaint , Which was downlaoded 3 weeks before going to the Police. Michael Jacksons Lawyers, citing the Gag Order would not comment. Michael Jackson is scheduled to appear on Monday for Grand Jury Selection |
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Marrk said: BAM!
This was apparently printed in the Cincinnati Enquirer on 1/28/2005 Mindy Montgomery Enquirer Staff Writer Accuser Read 93 Complaint Michael Jacksons Trial is set to start on Monday January 31, but on the eve of the "Biggest Show On Earth", sources close to the case have uncovered that the family accusing Jackson of child molestation, went to The Smoking Gun website in May of 2003 and downloaded the Civil Complaint from the 1993 Molestation Case. The Mother, according to Grand Jury Documents, Went to the Police in June of 2003, with Larry Feldman, and told the officers that Michael Jackson bought a computer for her son in 2001 , when the child was diagnosed with cancer, she suspected Michael of sending "erotic" emails to her child. The Police asked the family for the computer in November of 2003 when Jackson was arrested. Sources close to the Defense, say that Police did Hard Drive searches of Jackson's Computers, but never searched the computer that belong to the boy. According to the Jackson camp, the Defense , hired there own computer expert and had the Hard Drives searched, and the only "erotic" material found was the 93 Civil Complaint , Which was downlaoded 3 weeks before going to the Police. Michael Jacksons Lawyers, citing the Gag Order would not comment. Michael Jackson is scheduled to appear on Monday for Grand Jury Selection Thanx Marrk! Did they pick this from FOX or is it AP or Reuters? This and the mother's '93 investigation is going to be very rough for the DA. BlueNote | |
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BlueNote said: Marrk said: BAM!
This was apparently printed in the Cincinnati Enquirer on 1/28/2005 Mindy Montgomery Enquirer Staff Writer Accuser Read 93 Complaint Michael Jacksons Trial is set to start on Monday January 31, but on the eve of the "Biggest Show On Earth", sources close to the case have uncovered that the family accusing Jackson of child molestation, went to The Smoking Gun website in May of 2003 and downloaded the Civil Complaint from the 1993 Molestation Case. The Mother, according to Grand Jury Documents, Went to the Police in June of 2003, with Larry Feldman, and told the officers that Michael Jackson bought a computer for her son in 2001 , when the child was diagnosed with cancer, she suspected Michael of sending "erotic" emails to her child. The Police asked the family for the computer in November of 2003 when Jackson was arrested. Sources close to the Defense, say that Police did Hard Drive searches of Jackson's Computers, but never searched the computer that belong to the boy. According to the Jackson camp, the Defense , hired there own computer expert and had the Hard Drives searched, and the only "erotic" material found was the 93 Civil Complaint , Which was downlaoded 3 weeks before going to the Police. Michael Jacksons Lawyers, citing the Gag Order would not comment. Michael Jackson is scheduled to appear on Monday for Grand Jury Selection Thanx Marrk! Did they pick this from FOX or is it AP or Reuters? This and the mother's '93 investigation is going to be very rough for the DA. BlueNote Unfortunately, i just got this off an MJ board somewhere, so can't provide a link to the original story. fingers crossed it's true though. I have heard it elsewhere too so it might just be valid. |
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jn2 said: Luv4oneanotha said: ... I read this book for my Photography Class... and did an essay on it for Philosophy there's nothing Homo Erotic about it... Its quite a Beautiful Book I swear americans are Such Prudes... It doesn't surprise me that MJ has this book, its quite popular in europe... well because there not prudes... but lets be serious... i'll give you chance... lets say he was using this book for pornographic reasons... I read this book its only like about 20 pages out of Mj's Child porn collection this is it... C'mon... This book is filled with beautiful photography and excerpts by the Poet Byron, who is one of mj's fav poets... mmm doesn't sound so shocking anymore... dude... Pedophiles have Cache's of child porn... and they usually have a habit of video taping and photographing their victims, to sell to other pedophiles or to keep for themselves and masturbate too ALA "R.Kelly" If your telling me that out of all the books, and all the trap doors, caches locks all you can find is a book from the 60's? C'mon? this is probably the same book they found in 93, and it hasn't left the bookshelf since... Plus you gotta realize... this is Court Tv they Glorify everything... But if this is all they got... Prosecution is in a bad ways... I like the answers about the book info, as if the Hugues book and the GQ article were not 100% pro MJ innocence 1) it's court tv, not "it's false" but just "it's court tv", 2) it's not a pro pedophilia book, if it's not one http://www.xs4all.nl/~johnie/jpptb.htm I don't know what it is, oh yeah a "work of art"
* [Edited 2/4/05 9:54am] Hughes, and Fisher, weren't renegade MJ fans trying to protect him... Miss Hughes just told what she knew... She wasn't Paid by jackson to write it, but with your mentality you'd probably think so... In a sea of everyone who believes you are guilty and only two people are willing to back you up... the odds certainly don't tip in your favor I don't know why you try so hard to show that he's guilty, your evidence has holes... and no value. I would understand if you have doubts of his innocents but to say he's flat out guilty, with no Physical or Mental evidence is ignorant... Are you some lovesick Mj Fan pissed off that Mj has changed from Man to "Freak" and wish him to be guilty as payback? oh and not be smug.. but you don't know what art is, maybe cause your not an Artist... I AM lol [Edited 2/4/05 14:16pm] | |
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DavidEye said: So,Michael likes reading that book and Hustler magazine too?
It's getting increasingly harder and harder to find the humor in this A person can't be well Cultured and have sexual desires? it could be worst than hustler... It could be PlayGirl ... | |
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jn2 said:[quote] Luv4oneanotha said: I like the answers about the book info, as if the Hugues book and the GQ article were not 100% pro MJ innocence 1) it's court tv, not "it's false" but just "it's court tv", 2) it's not a pro pedophilia book, if it's not one http://www.xs4all.nl/~johnie/jpptb.htm I don't know what it is, oh yeah a "work of art"
What's wrong with it? I think those are beautiful photos, nothing sexual about them at all. Like I said, I'd buy that book if I knew where to find it. "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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