Denial is not just a river in Egypt. Stick a fork in MJ. He is done. He's become a joke like LaToya.

bluelight said:

yeah. let's tell Sony that if they insist on putting out any more shitty Michael Jackson records, then we aren't going to buy any more records by ANYONE on the Sony roster. why just punish MJ? hit 'em all where it hurts!

so michael will leave sony and form his own label and make his album called the rainbow children part two?

it's never about how good his music is ,all mj fans talk about is how much it sells.....

why does he need a record company anyway....he should have his own label by now.....

why does he need a record company anyway....he should have his own label by now.....[/quote]

I believe he does have his own label. . .mjj records. . .why he felt the need to sign with Sony I have no idea. I don't think Invincible is crap, though I do think that Sony probably chose the tracks that sounded the most 'commercial' to them, and lets face it: MJ isn't your typical guy, he has no idea what appeals to your average 16 year old person, and he shouldn't be expected to produce pop hits.

His early hits were written by other people. Most of the great songs that have been written by him have never been on the radio or had a video made. As a pop star, he has been the voice and dancer for other people's business plans.

That doesn't mean that he isn't one hell of an artist (and in reality, I think he considers himself a dancer and filmaker more than a musician, and there's nothing wrong with that). It just means that the people who he (for some freakin reason) permits to make his business decisions don't give a damn about his artistry, they are seeing dollar signs. Maybe after a couple more monumental flops, they will all give up on him and he can do his own thing. I bet it will be beautiful.

And all y'all on the "mj is an icky freak and prince is god" trip might want to take a look at reality. . .your man wears heels and eyeliner with his lacy pants, and he just released an album full of creepy religous propaganda tied together by his even more creepy synthesized voice, over strangely cheery horns. So yeah, mj is a freak who releases crappy albums. Whatever. I love them both.



Doves,
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R U shure? I work in radio and they just sent a promo copy of "Heaven Can Wait".

ZaZa said:

First of all, that album is as flat as a soda that's been left open for a month. Second of all, all the promotion in the world, all the big money videos and all the slick production, cannot make crappy music good. Six months of promotion? Jackson should be thankful he got that. I haven't liked anything that Michael Jackson has done since Bad. A lot of his early stuff was great. It was creative, musically competent, and funky. Now he sounds like everyone else. 2 bad.

I don't blame the MJ fans for doing this, IMO Invincible was good album (though not his best) that got NO support from his label, who has in the past has treated artists from George Michael, Billy Joel to Mariah Carey and Jamirqui like shit! Even Warners the very label who screwed Prince has done the same thing! In the music biz the record label all share this one code....out with the, old in with the new.....we will own your master recordings etc and there is NOTHING U CAN DO!

I'm with HaReMz on this one. Get your own freakin website.

The three major fan clubs r uniting over this, if u wanna read more, check out: http://www.planetjackson....index.html

source:www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/chart/news/020424_michaeljackson.shtml, www.dotmusic.com

Thousands of Michael Jackson fans have accused Sony Music of deliberately sabotaging the promotional campaign of the singer's latest album, dotmusic can exclusively reveal.

'Invincible', released October 2001, has fallen from worldwide album charts and a growing army of fans are blaming Jackson's record label for what they claim is a calculated lack of promotion.

'Make Invincible Visible' (MIV), an association of aggrieved fans, have now launched their campaign on the internet and have contacted dotmusic in an effort to "make people aware of the situation".

According to the group, Sony Music have stopped promoting 'Invincible' in an bid to suffocate Jackson financially.

In 1995, Jackson was said to have negotiated a loan with the record label as an advance on forthcoming sales of 'Invincible'.
As part of the deal, Jackson merged his ATV Music Publishing catalogue (which includes the Beatles back-catalogue) with Sony Music Publishing. He is reported to have pocketed $95 million from the deal.

MIV now claim that Sony Music are pressuring Jackson to refund the loan, and simultaneously strangling his main source of income through non-promotion of the album.

The association believe Sony are hoping to lay claim to Jackson's valuable share of ATV/Sony Music Publishing. The share would fall into their hands if Jackson was unable to repay the loan.
MIV have listed a chronology of alleged facts that document the 'feud' between Jackson and Sony Music. Read them HERE.

They claim: "Sony Music are trying to suffocate Michael Jackson financially. They are preventing him from properly promoting his album in order to obtain his share of the ATV Publishing catalog [sic]."

"This manoeuvre is unfair. It is plain sabotage. 'Invincible' is a great album."

"As Michael Jackson fans, we have been watching helplessly the killing of the 'Invincible' album. Until now."

Sony Music have so far declined to comment.
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Jacko's fan clubs campaign
Demo against Sony today

Jacko's fan clubs campaign
24 Apr 2002



The three biggest Michael Jackson fan clubs are staging a demo against Sony Music today, claiming that the record label is trying to force Jacko into financial difficulties

by not promoting his latest album ‘Invincible’.

A joint press release from MJ News International, Planet Jackson and Angel asks all Michael Jackson fans for their help;

"Today we call out to all fans of Michael Jackson In March 2002, the promotion of the ‘Invincible’ album was discontinued by Sony Music, after only six months of release. Today we ask Sony Music to promote the ‘Invincible’ album."

Two demos are taking place later today (Wednesday) in New York at the Sony Plaza. The clubs have called the protest as a show of support for Jacko and are calling all fans to back it.

Supporters have already been campaigning by sending emails to Sony, faxing black paper to their offices and blocking Sony telephone call centres.

Clubs, websites and supporters are working together, breaking the traditional fan club rules.

**On a side note: I'd heard about this one guy in Times Square that was wearing an MJ shirt and threw eggs at Sony security this morning as a sign of his dismay with the promotion of Vince. That was the funiest shit I'd heard in a while.

I don't see what the big deal is.So,the 'Invincible' CD is dead.Big deal.The album sold over 5 million copies worldwide,and produced two radio hits ("You Rock My World" and "Butterflies").I wouldn't exactly call that a "failure".Michael is a former Motown artist,how many other longtime Motown artists are still selling records? Michael and his fans need to become realistic and accept the fact that he will NEVER sell 50 million copies of a single album again.Forget about "invincible' and move on.

'Invincible' is the last album on Michael's Sony contract.They will release a Greatest Hits CD later this year,and MJ will then be free to go elsewhere.There are *RUMORS* that he and Quincy Jones are gonna form their own label together.I wish Michael would do a more personal,introspective album without all the big-name producers.In my opinion,he's already sold more records than most artists will ever sell in their entire careers.Drop this "King Of Pop" nonsense and concentrate on making intelligent music that defines who he really is!

Sony is notorious for having problems with their artists.George Michael is the best example.But,I also heard about how Tommy Mottola (Sony President) tried to sabotage his ex-wife's (Mariah Carey) career when she decided to leave the label.The next artist who may have problems with Sony is Lauryn Hill.Sony is pissed because she won't tell them ANYTHING about her future plans.She won't tell them about her touring plans.She won't tell them when her next studio album will be finished.She is refusing to do any promotion for her upcoming 'Unplugged' 2-CD set.Stay tuned,that situation could get messy.

DavidEye u hit the hammer on the nail. SONY is doing to MJ what Warners did to Prince!

If Michael Jackson came to ME for career advice,this is what I would tell him...


***Drop the "King Of Pop" moniker---One of my favorite artists,Marc Anthony,recently said in an interview that he doesn't want to be the "King" of anything."When you're the king,there's nothing else to strive for",he said.So,why would MJ wanna be the "King Of Pop"? And,when you think about it,that's actually a restricting title.It limits him to being ONLY a "pop" artist,with no chance to ever branch out and try something new.Surely MJ wants more than that?

***No more "big name" producers---Michaels' career strategy these days is really simple.He takes a few years off,then looks at the Billboard charts,and calls up all the "hot" producers to begin work on a new album.He spends a few more years (and several millions) working with all these high-priced producers,then finally releases the album.This strategy is tired and ineffective.STOP IT NOW,Mike!!!

***Work with an "unknown" producer---I hate to keep using her as an example...lol...but Madonna is doing things the right way.On her last CD,she worked with the unknown Mirwais,and created a stunning album.Before that,she worked with William Orbit (who wasn't exactly known as a "hot" hitmaking producer) and created the 'Ray Of Light' CD.Mike should travel the world,listen to different types of music,hang out in European nightclubs,meet different collaborators and musicians.Find *ONE* unknown producer,lock himself into a studio with him for a few months (notice I said "months" and not years...lol...),and pretend the two of you are scientists in a lab.Experiment,try new stuff,STOP playing it safe all the time.Make an album that is truly "dangerous" for once!

***Write the lyrics yourself!!---Mike is a great songwriter,but lately,he's become lazy.I want an album that *DEFINES* who he really is as a person.I want personal,introspective,soul-baring lyrics for once.Even though Mike has been around since the early 70s,the world STILL doesn't know who and what he is.He's like an alien.Change this perception with a strong album that answers all those lagging questions.

***Be Realistic---Face the music.1983 is over.You will NEVER sell records like in the 'Thriller' days.Stop obsessing about huge record sales.DO NOT spend $30 Million making an album.That is a dumb career move.Get a grip on reality.You do NOT have to "top" yourself".You did the impossible,you sold 26 million copies of 'Thriller' in the US (50 million total worldwide).You can relax and be proud of that amazing achievement.But,it won't happen again so just accept and move on.


***After Sony??---Mike's deal with Sony is just about over.He can move on and go elsewhere.He will have to decide what to do.I suggest he record a new album first (in the manner which I decribed above...lol)and use that album as a "bargaining tool" when discussing a new deal with another label.Let these record execs know where you are headed musically.Tell them that,if they're expecting a repeat of the Sony years,they can forget it.Show them that you wanna be taken seriously as an artist (it's obvious that,after the success of "Thriller",Sony looked at MJ as a hit-making machine and nothing more).Or,he could start an independent label (rumors suggest that he may do this).Either way,after the 'Invincible' debacle,he should feel more MOTIVATED and excited about where he's headed next.When your back is up against the wall,you should kick ass and do some real damage (I'm sure Prince would agree with that statement...lol..).
[This message was edited Thu Apr 25 6:39:06 PDT 2002 by DavidEye]

they should change the name of MJ's fan club to Jacko's Wackos...they must not have ever heard the phrase "you can't polish a turd," in this case a turd named Invincible.

Sounds like he should swallow his pride and have a sit down with P, huh? FUNK DADDY will set him straight and tell Mr. Jackson that....to make music that people want to hear, it has to come from the SOUL (Michael lost his years ago).... Not from a corporate stuffy-ass board room.

i like michael jackson for giving "blame it on the boogie to the world"

but invincible is shit


sorry


go back to what u were doing in 79 and start again from there.


the 80's screwed him up.

http://www.geocities.com/.../index.htm

This situation is fucked up...if it's all true.

Incredible that of all people Michael Jackson himself would need a loan to produce his album... Then again... needing 25 million and 5 years to produce one is in itself totally off the wall...

I would strongly suggest anybody to NEVER negotiate a loan with a (record) company, that is truly dangerous.
Alltho' the loan probably has to do with the contract between the companies MJ productions and Sony, it sounds really BAD... It actually sounds like a really BAD THRILLER ...

I think that MJ by needing to purchase the Beatle cataloge so bad and after that (maybe even because of that) needing a loan to be able to produce an album called Invincible for about 25 million dollar ... it sounds like INVINCIBLE was the wrong name to start with in the first place.

I think his next album should be called TROUBLE

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Wow, some people! After 6 months, if u don't know if an album is out, then u need 2 stop crawling under rocks.

Sony's 6 months of promotion sure beats the 0 months of promotion that Warner Bros. was willing 2 give Prince 4 his birthright. If Michael really didn't like it, all he would have 2 do is b strong & step up 2 the plate like Prince has done.

Guess michael prefers 2 suckle on the teet of "massuh" Sony.

Prince obviously don't need no stinking corporate record company...

EvilWhiteMale said:

- HAHAHAHA...amen!!!
If ´Rave´ had 6 months of promotion...:-/

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[This message was edited Sat Apr 24 8:04:57 2004 by Cloudbuster]

Jackson fans uniting against evil would mean that they would be fighting Jackson himself as he is evil. The man has single handedly destroyed the Beatle's collection by licensing their music for commercials. The use of "Revolution" in a Nike commercial not only denigrated the Beatle’s music but made it seem okay for others to do the same with their music. How sad. Even worse, he out bid Paul McCartney, supposedly his friend, for the rights to Beatles music.

Michael deserves everything he gets.

Butters said:

coulda sworn he and latoya were one in the same person, basically....

I'm very bothered to see all the hatred Prince fans have towards Michael. Surely Prince is the Funkiest Brother on the entire planet...I just didn't know that his fans have no respect for talent other than Prince.

Who cares if Michael chooses to release an album every 5 years...if he released all the songs he's recorded he'd have just as much to dance to as Prince does. (F.Y.I. Over 80 songs were recorded during the Dangerous sessions alone.) And as for those who don't think he wrote songs early on, Check out Working Day and Night, Don't Stop Til' You Get Enough, Wanna Be Startin Something, Get On The Floor, Beat It, Billie Jean....all songs self-written.

If it's all about the music, which it should be, I think this topic should be closed. No matter how strange a person is, it's all about the music. Prince fans should be ashamed. Believe it or not, it's actually ok to like Prince yet still appreciate the King of Pop. Don't get me wrong, I'll take the King of Funk over the King of Pop anyday.

If Michael is Just a Guy with a messed up face who is really LaToya and doesn't write good music anymore, then Prince is just a guy in high heels who sucks on a tootsie pop and took a marker to write Slave across his cheek like some kind of cartoon character, who also doesn't write good music anymore....

Obviously, I'm just being sarcastic here....but this is what you all sound like....absurd....let's stop the hate and enjoy the brilliance both have to offer! Does anyone object???

Who cares. Post it on a MJ fan site.

ShutUpAlreadyDamn said:

one man's brilliance is another man's boring...

I wonder how much Micheal-bashing comes down to not understanding why he did what he did to his face.

I wonder how much truly *is* the music. See, the thing is, I don't think people judge the music on its own merits anymore. The tabloid crap impairs their judgment. Or the way he looks. Or the allegations.

Some of you are acting like Invincible is the worst album you've ever heard in your lives. I think that's a *gross* exaggeration, just quietly. I'm not expecting everyone to like it, but I think some people go too far. I think if some other artist had done it, you'd be singing a *completely* different tune.

MJ is a perfectionist. Grew up on the freakin stage. Always in the spotlight. Always judged by the public. Always trying to please the public. Always under pressure to be number one.

Growing up is hard enough as it is. Doing it in the public's eye with litte or no privacy and the constant pressure to never mess up must be extraordinary.

I think most of us take for granted going to the shops with friends, playing in the park, just hanging out with friends while we were growing up. He was in huge demand and locked up in the studio all the time with no privacy to speak of, and nobody to hang out with. He grew up with a poor self-image. He was always teased about his nose and face growing up. He wanted to be perfect...to please everybody, and to please himself. The stage was home. Everything else was a mess.

How many of us could have done what he has done, honestly? If there's one thing you've gotta give him respect for it's never giving up and, hell, he still hits number 1 all decades later. That is freaking amazing. I mean, I'm not exactly what you'd call crazy about Madonna, but I know enough to know that she didn't get where she is through employing "dope producers" alone. She worked freaking hard, and worked her way up from nothing. An inspiration to millions.

I personally think that a lot of the MJ-bashing here is more about his face than anything else, and the old "thriller was his best, off the wall was his best" rubbish is getting real tired. It's cool to diss MJ nowadays because everybody finds it easier to tease a 'freak' than understand where he's coming from (and what he's been through), and it's easier to hide the fact that you're a closet fan. This seems to be the case with Prince too.

I'm still amazed at the amount of people I meet that reveal they are MJ fans after I tell them I am.

End rant.

with all the REAL shite music out there that sounds just like everything else i think invincible was a relief...it is a michael jackson album and it sounds like one...it is exactly what mj fans expected...6 months IS a long time for support but considering they spent 30 million making it, they might as well continue to promote it and make the best of an embarrasing situation. invincible has some fantastic moments and some dull moments (sounds like somebody else's albums at times, doesn't it...)

Good Morning Everbody,

One of my first posts on this prince.org website late last year was the treatment of the "mainstream" press/media toward Mike since he acquired those Beatles songs in 1985. I tried to tell people that the thought of an American-American artist or person, owning these songs BOTHERS a lot of people, PERIOD!!!!! A few people on here had my back, but a lot of people thought I was crazy and wanted to run me off the site (plus the fact that I was a newbie here at the webiste just stirred up people more) I've been following Mike's treatment by the "mainstream" media since this deal went down in 1985 and the treatment has been harsh at best.Some of the lashing that Mike has received no doubt has been due to his eccentric behaviour. But there is some "undercovered animosity" toward Mike because he owns the catalogue(and I still stand FIRM on this assessment). When the song "Revolution was used in the Nike commercial in the late 80's, people (especially Beatles fans that grew up on their music, lost it.....TELL ME I'M WRONG). It is also worth noting that a good percentage of persons in the "mainstream media" grew up on the Fab Four, baby boomers and all of that.. If there's any truth to this sabotage report, then that confirms my take. It's all about that ATV catalogue, the Beatles songs are worth a lot of money. And people YOU KNOW, the Beatles' music IS A BIG DEAL!!!! I knew something was fishy because we haven't seen any videos since September of last year from Mike, no singles being released, no nothing from MJ, I knew something was strange about that, Mike is only one of the most popular recording artists EVER, the WORLD OVER. Now for all of my critics here on this website who slammed me when I first came here last year because I made these comments....HOW YA' LIKE ME NOW? as Kool Moe Dee would say.

Have a great day and beyond,
Brother 9/15 aka CR3