VoicesCarry said:

Seiously it hurts my ears when Mariah whispers so loudly, it sounds like alot of that 'silence' noise on high volume from a casette player at extreme. But she still can blow when she doesnt do that.

I hte the song but I love Mariah so I give a half clap

twink69 said:

Excuse the hell outta me but All Nite Dont Stop is serious dance. I wish Mariah can pull a dance tune out her mouth, but she cant dance worth a lick. Plus seeing her live was nice but not really much 2 remember by (Charmbracelet show in Mall Of America, lots of whispering too).

love u Mariah, dont hit me but....Madonna and janet will have some stability over Mariah's last couple of years. That last Madonna album though was HORRIBLE!!

twink69 said:

Gee, if it wasn't for twinky dinky here, I wouldn't have been exposed to The Truth.

I am so glad to know that Mariah, Alicia and Beyonce are somehow superior to Marvin, Stevie, and Prince.

Ever heard of prefacing things with "IN MY HUMBLE OPINION"?
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paisleypark4 said:

I just had big hopes for this album. She had a lot of shit to write about, and it doesn't look like she capitalized on that. The whole album will be her standard rap collabos with lyrics about Bacardi and livin' it up.

And the thing is, I KNOW she can still write worthwhile songs, because I heard "Clown".
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Love that broad, hate that shit!

Still can't wait for the jazz collaporation she did with Clare Fisher 4 this album tho

VoicesCarry said:

I'm talking about the artist you "say" u like, but the ones u always go on about, They are whack, I don't mind Janet or Paula but they will never be in the same league as Mariah and Alicia that's all


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twink69 said:

Vocally, Janet and Madonna will never be in Mariah Carey's league. I'm glad; I hate pointless showboating. Mariah Carey has never had a Velvet Rope/Ray of Light/Like a Prayer moment yet, and frankly, I don't think she has one in her. Don't think I'm a Mariah Carey hater, I'm not. I own a few of her CD's.

People can debate all they want about whether Madonna or Janet are "artists", but I don't think anyone will ever question whether Mariah Carey is. She isn't.

Female pop-stars really aren't my style of music;I can appreciate Madonna and Janet Jackson, though. Lyrically and musically, they're usually head and shoulders above Mariah Carey. Mariah's songwriting is either completely ridiclious (Loverboy, It's Like That) or embarassingly sophomoric (My All,Butterfly, Can't Take That Away). It's high-school poetry. Nothing wrong with that, but to state that she's "in a different league" than Madonna and Janet....

I'd love to hear Mariah tackle a song like What About, Live to Tell, or Oh Father. Firstly, she could never write the lyrics. Secondly, she'd either add that ridiclious dolphin scream to the song, or whisper her way through 'em.

And I wanna add that this is all IMHO.

twink69 said:

I've started multiple threads on The Supremes, Donna Summer, Lisa Stansfield, Motown, Marvin Gaye, etc. You never read them, however. As I said, I've started ONE Paula thread and you're acting like I can't get enough of her.

Get a grip, and stop talking about shit that isn't even true.
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twink69 said:

My opinion is that Alicia can't sing and all Beyonce does is runs. Big whoop. There are way more talented women than the three you named who will never get the props they deserve.

Axchi696 said:

U said that RIGHT Especially the Ray Of Light, Velvet Rope statements gave me the chills cuz it was on track

Axchi696 said:

The dolphin screetch and wailing is vocal talent, All this stuff about "OVER SINGING" comes from those who can't
u go on about Velvet Rope and Oh father, u obviously aren't familar with Mariahs work, let me say this Janet, Madonna, Kylie will NEVER write, Produce and sing songs like VANISHING, VISION OF LOVE, SUNFLOWER FOR ALFRED ROY, THE WIND or SUBTLE INVITATION???? When those vocally challanged fools ever come up with anything like that then will talk until then have fun "Vogue-ing"

twink69 said:

Dolphin screech = vocal talent? Learning to control it would be a nice start.

Only Vision Of Love from that bunch can even remotely compete with most of Madonna's catalogue, song-wise, and even that depends on a fairly common 50's doo-wop chord progression. Mariah was best in her early years. However, most of her hits rely on a blatant, complete sample so I don't see how that's an example of a great songwriter.
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Axchi696 said:

Is The Wind even a good example of her supposed good songwriting ability? It was a remake, and she just added her own silly lyrics to it.

VoicesCarry said:

DOLPHIN SCREECH, DOG WHISTLE, HIGH REGISTER?? U may not familar with it (PRO TOOLS DON'T DO THAT SOUND) an octave that Mariah and Minnie Ripperton share, check it out sometime

I think your serious? You think Madonna,Janet have writen, Produced and sang anything better that SUBTLE INVITATION? VANISHING? THE WIND?
Yeah whatever maybe you have never heard these tracks!? but Janet or Madonna have never writen anything as good as those tracks I have pointed out, HOLIDAY better than VANISHING? I think someone has drank too much "gay juice" this morning,


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twink69 said:

From Subtle Invitation:

See it's hard to tell somebody
That you're still somewhat
Attached to the dream
Of being in love once again
When it's clear they've moved

So I sat down and wrote these few words
On the off chance you'd hear
And if you happen to be somewhere listening
You should know I'm still here

OMG I'M BOWLED OVER BY THE PROFUNDITY EXHIBITED HERE!!! WTF IS SPECIAL ABOUT THIS SONG? WHAT?

And Holiday has a catchier damn melody and hook than anything Mariah's ever crafted, sorry. But if you want lyrical substance, turn to Oh Father or Promise To Try. Holiday has as much lyrical profundity as all of Mariah's bullshit - Dreamlover, Loverboy et. al.

Why don't you go back to the Mariah boards since no one here's going to agree with you?

Oh, and I've written a new Mariah song. It's a huge hit:

"Love Muffin"

My loving sensation
can you hug me, hug me hard
Love muffin boy
give you love to me
My muffin needs your
lovin' so relentlessly
Oh why
Can't you spend a little time with me
I could have seen right at the start
we'd never be apart.

Love muffin, love muffin *dog whistle* love muffin love muffin

*dolphin screech*

VoicesCarry said:

b/w Unicorn (The Scratch n Sniff Sticker Song)

VoicesCarry said:

I'll post here as much as I want! what r u american? worse a republican, Now I can't speak my mind biatch
and what is so special about that song It's better then anything Madonna and Janet have ever sang vocally & musically.
You can take a number of any Mariah, Janet and Madonna songs and you will find in equal parts stupid no brainer dance track ie:MUSIC, ALL NIGHT DON'T STOP, LOVERBOY. GO DEEP
AND YOU CAN FIND DEEP PERSONAL WRITEN SONGS IE: OH FATHER, WHAT ABOUT OR SUNFLOWERS FOR ALFRED ROY
So don't go on like Madonna and Janet are Shakespeare
The only diffence is that Mariah can vocally deliver! even when she's whispering she's still ten times better then those Pro Tool junkies

twink69 said:

Hey, you're the one who first bitched me out for expressing my opinion, now you cant take what you dish out? Sheesh.

VoicesCarry said:

Whatever I know I'm right and anyone with any musical knowledge would agree, how anyone who takes music seriously consider Janet and Madonna musicans is beyond me? what instruments are they masters of? oh I forgot that new vocal styling they call boob flashing? take ur boobs out so no one will notice you sound like Ashanti's older sister

twink69 said:

Basically everyone on this thread has disagreed with you, including DavidEye, who's one of the most knowledgeable people I know re: music. So that should tell you something. Anyhoo, you're certainly a comedy. Keep it up

I do suggest you visit www.lipssuctionedtomariahscooch.com, however. It's a handy 12-step program for withdrawal.
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VoicesCarry said:

Whatever I can have my opinion, If that's a comedy act, then u must get amused easily, It does amaze me how you people go on about Marvin, Motown acts Kool and the gang, PRINCE then turn around and say these fools are singers, it's mind blowing?! VC lets call it "will agree to disagree on this one"

If you need me I'll be getting lips suctioned to Mariah's cooch
Peace and hair grease!

twink69 said:

No one said you couldn't. But you said I couldn't - way up at the beginning of this thread. Expect to get what you give in the future.

The End

ROFLMFAO!!!!!

BTW: all of this gay-baiting from someone who calls himself Twink69?

twink69 said:

Im sorry Twink but U gotta admit her stayin power is dwindling as this next single speaks!

Sunflowers Are For Alred was aiight, nothing outstanding. Vanishing was a beautiful track, very beautiful. Now Reflections (Do you Care) is a very touching song, sounds personal. But Mariah never goes on these subjects abouther life and just stayis one-dimensional. That Remix album of dance tunes was HOTT. If she did some music like that she would break lots of boundaries that she is scared 2 take.

Now Im sorry again, Mariah could never do a
"Rhythm Nation" "Livin In A World We Didnt Make" "WHAT ABOUT!!" "The Velvet Rope" "You" "New Agenda" .. I can go on..

she cannot pull a
"Ray Of Light" "Frozen" "What It Feels Like 4 A Girl" "Bedtime Story" "Human Nature" "Erotica" "Secret"

Im sorry but Mariah is not personal enough, or hasnt shown me the real Mariah yet still. She came close on "Butterfly" but I still don't feel her.

So though she is a better qualified singer, she is still personally uninteresting.

I love Mariah, there's something tragic about her.
Ever since she strated wearing these chamois leather tops
& hotpants I've been dying 2 c her in a John Waters movie.

So, she's a vocal powerhouse, I still don't think she
can sing though (okay so technically she's rather brilliant),
but it doesn't convey any believable sentiment. Janet & my
bitch Estha do far more with less. 'Again' & 'Frozen'..

Martinelli said:

your bitch Estha?

Mariah doesn't even belong in the same sentence as Janet & Madonna when it comes to artistic crediblity. Mariah's lyrics are nothing but nursery rhymes anyway, the lyrics to "It's Like That" support that. It doesn't matter if the "Pro Tool" divas don't possess pipes like Mariah, clearly it's never been an issue with the buying public. Mariah may have the bigger sales but she's not the bigger star when it comes to overall fame. All she's done is ride the trend instead of setting the bar for younger singers to follow. Mariah Carey has alot of radio hits but are any classic or memorable as Vogue,Rhythm Nation,Control,Material Girl.....I don't think so. Mariah has just made a joke out of herself in recent years, I don't what made her think she could keep her career afloat after her divorce with Tommy....rotfl. Even Ciara can pull off "It's Like That" which doesn't say much, it sounds like a "Drop It Like It's Hot"knockoff anyway.

Ok, it's settled - we all have "whack taste" in music. I think I like it that way.