Are you the same "Otan" who used to post here regularly?

And yes,we are all familiar with Mistermaxx and his crazy antics


In fact,we had a thread about this the other day!

DavidEye said:

I was never Otan here. Always thedog.

Purple Rain sounds nothing like 1999. Prince never remade albums or songs not even once. Never.

As far as "Sign O The Times" goes, yeah, it's a good album but it is not Prince at his best like he was before he changed his style. "Sign O The Times" is good but it is still Prince in La La Land.

I cant believe these two, when it comes to the subject of "who repeats theirselves, Rick James or Prince?" The sad thing is, that these two nuts believe what they're saying. I can't believe Vanandy would even bring up Cloreen Bacon Skin!!!??? Even said that Gett off from Diamonds and Pears and get off from the B-side of the 1990 New Powewr Generation single sounds the same! And then said, the 70s sounding Sexy MF sounds like Gett off!

Otan(me) - I never said i like every thing by Prince, but you can't listen to Fire it up, garden of love(what the hell was that?), Cold blooded(title track was good), Glow, Wonderful, the flag and urban Rhaspody and tell me this man didn't start churning out crap as well. The only reason Throw down did what it did, was because it was released after street songs. On that album he did what alot of Black artist did at the time whenever they had an hit album,remake it. Cameo did it with style after they hit with alligator woman, midnight star did itsome album that I recall the title of after they hit with no parking on the dance floor and how many times did cameo do shake your pants over and over under different titles and how many times did Roger and Zapp do More bounce to the ounce over and over? Throw down could have been called "I had a hit with street songs, so I think I'll do it again." By the way how many times did Rick James do Come Into My Life from fire it up? Let's see; I'm a Sucker for your love, the big time, give it to me baby, ghetto life, Dance with me and hanging on the top. All had the same disco funk beat the loud P-Funk hand claps the same bass syth. With a few different musical variations and lyrics, it was the same song done over and over.
Read this and tell me who stole from who and who was the Puff daddy of his day. http://www.warr.org/rjames.html

Vainandy - Otan, that link had a totally rediculous article that sounded like it was written by a totally biased Prince fan. The reason I say that, is because when the author reviewed Teena Marie's "Starchild" album, he (sorry I didn't even read the author's name so I will probably say "he") he totally refused to acknowledge his peers choice of her as being the greatest white soul singer of her era. He even went so far as to say that Jill Jones (someone who later became a Prince protegee) was a better singer than Teena Marie. Anyone, even most Prince fans, know that is totally rediculous.
He apparently doesn't know too much about Rick James anyway because when he reviewed the albums, he didn't even review some of them. He listed The Stone City Band's album "Out From The Shadow" but didn't even review it. I don't have that album, I'm still looking for it, but it contained a bad *** jam called "Ladies Choice", which I do have a download of and remember it very well from back in the day. The author also loved bringing up Rick's prison sentence. What the hell does that have to do with Rick's music? Many entertainers have done inappropriate things and there music was not judged by them. Why the hell is Rick the exception?

As far as Rick James, Cameo, Zapp, Midnight Star, and others rehashing old material and making a hit of it, Prince has done the same thing himself. His biggest album ever, "Purple Rain", is a watered down version of the previous album, "1999", so it would appeal more to a pop audience (something that Rick never did). "Purple Rain" is still a great album though and it is also his last great album. I'll take rehashed old material anyday over the "artsy/fartsy" stuff that came later.

As far as "Sign O The Times" goes, yeah, it's a good album but it is not Prince at his best like he was before he changed his style. "Sign O The Times" is good but it is still Prince in La La Land. As far as critics go, I could care less what they have to say about either Rick or Prince. Prince has had some horrible reviews also. But you can't tell me that the majority of Prince's original fan base didn't leave him when he changed his style because they did.

I agree, "Glow" and everything else that followed it was not up to par with Rick's standards but he had drugs to blame for that. What's Prince's excuse?

Otan - Purple Rain sounds nothing like 1999. Prince never remade albums or songs not even once. Never.

Vainandy - Oh really? "The Future" and "Electric Chair" could easily be considered "Batdance (Parts 1 & 2)".
"Lemon Crush" has the exact same groove as one of the songs on the "Minneapolis Genius" album.

"Get Off" on the "Diamonds and Pearls" album sounds very similar to "Get Off" on the B-Side of the 12 Inch of "New Power Generation" just one year earlier. "Sexy MF" on the following album to "Diamonds and Pearls" sounds very similar also.

"Cloreen Bacon Skin" on the "Crystal Ball" is an exact rip off of "Tricky" the B-Side to The Time's "Ice Cream Castles".

Those are seven examples so the same arguement you use against Rick James, I can use against Prince also.

I know both my Prince and Rick James music. Like I said, I am a huge fan of both.

Mistermaxxx - time to take it over&Burry this:"America" was "Baby I'm a Star part 2.Jimmy Jam put Prince on Blast for recycling stuff.Dirty Mind&Controversy are the same album basically.take all the stuff Prince did on Bass for The Time same stuff over&over. Purple Rain Song&Temptation the same Song. Prince repeated Himself so much it ain't even funny.Hot Thang&forever in My Life have the same Bass rhythm.Prince got called on wearing himself to thin by Dez Dickerson.Prince wore out His clap track,bass parts a plenty of time.Prince was able to hang on&Catch on with the White Pop Audeince but if you listen carefully the cat didn't change much.all His Horn parts sound the same.Prince lost out when Andre&Dez Left. also He has Been Coasting.folks long ago stopped Buying Prince's wack Music because He put out too much of the same stuff&also was just biting everybody in site.George Clinton said recently that Rick James saved&Kept the funk Alive. that alone speaks Volumes.Rick didn't stay focused&the Drugs took Hm out way too soon.but make no mistake about it if Rick had have kept rolling He would have tore that Purple Midget Up.everybody recycles there stuff.I can pick up things.

Otan - The future(Funk)and electric chair(Blues based Funkrock) sounds nothing alike and Bat dance was ment to be a mix of electric Chair, Rave un2.. and 200 ballons. Lemon Crush sounds like nothing Minnapolis ginus, the closest I can think of is one man jam and that's reaching. Gett off(slow hiphop funk) and Get off(club/housemusic) are nothing alike except title. You need to go back and listen to them. Sexy MF??? 70's style james brown(super bad)That crap from Crystal ball was a rough demo of Prince playing around in the studio and yes tricky, the 2nd version of irrisistable bitch and some others came from that, but they sound different(same beat means nothing). You know what I mean stop reaching. Whatever you feel might be a repeat by Prince is arguable, but there ain't no arguing with those Rick James songs I named, None at all. Those songs sound alike and you know it. Some of Prince's song might have the same feel or style as another(irrisistable Bitch, Wild and loose and Tricky) but they never sound like slightly alterd sound alikes, like Rick and Zapp
Mistermaxxx. America and Baby I'm a star only have the same beat tempo. You're also reaching. Dirty Mind and Controversy are both Funk rock albums laced with Newwave and punk and that's it. Purple Rain is a slow rock balled and Temptation is a slow, but nonballed blues rock grind with melodies that are nothing alike. Hot thing and forever in my life? I'll give you the the bass thing, but do the songs sound anything alike? Hell no. Hot thing is a funk song and Forever in my life sounds to me like a mid-tempo folk rock song without guitars until the end. Same thing I posted to Vainandy. What you feel is a repeat by Prince is arguable at best. You are pairing up prince songs with one being a balled while the other is funk or rock or where one is Funk and the other is rock. You both just help me make my point. I'll give you both another example. GlamSlam and Around the world in a day. Both have the same bass drum beat and they are both sort of psychedelic but that's where it stops. Different sounding songs. Those Rick James songs I listed, all sound like remixes of each other. You know what I mean. They are funk and they all have they same syth programs and everything.

Vainandy - "The Future", "Electric Chair", and "Batdance" sound more alike than anything Rick or ANY other artist could have. Their songs may sound similar, but these three Prince songs sound JUST ALIKE. "Batdance" is a combination of the two. If you can't hear that, then I don't know what your ears are hearing. A good DJ could go in and make an excellent 12 Inch remix combining the three songs.
"Get Off" (B Side) and "Get Off" from "Diamonds and Pearls" are very similar. When the song came out I remember thinking to myself that this ain't nothing but a rehashed version of the previous one and Prince even went so far as to give it the same title.

As for "Lemon Crush", I couldn't even think of the name of the song on the "Minneapolis Genius" album that I was referring to. You went and pulled "One Man Jam" out of your hat so you must see a similarity yourself. I don't even know if you picked the same song that I was referring to, I would have to go back and listen to the album again, but the fact that you came up with a song means that you see a similarity yourself.

I don't know why you can't admit that these songs are similar. Prince is not perfect, he makes mistakes just like everyone else, including Rick. Admitting it makes you no less of a Prince fan if that's what you are worrying about.

As for some of Rick's songs sounding similar, yes they do. I never disputed that. I can name more myself. You could take "Cold Blooded" and "17" and mix them to perfection.

My point to you is, Prince has similar sounding songs also. If you can't admit that Prince is not perfect, then you are not a Prince fan, you are an obsessive Prince "fam".

Mistermaxxx - typical Prince Fan in Denial. you can hear alot of His cuts that sound the same.show me any Artist who has a Solid catelog&you gonna have plenty of Re-threads.all Artists do.but these Prince Relics&Narrow Minded folks just won't allow the Q-tip to clean there Ears fully,but it's there.

Otan - I want to know from you two if your arms hurt...From all the reaching that y'all do. Now why don't you two go make a mix tape of those Rick James come in to my life clone songs. I'm sure it will come out real good, because you won't be able to tell where one songs begins and the other one ends. HA! I can't wait to post the weak examples you two gave of P repeating himself at the org!
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Rick never did anyting at P's level...

Wow. Another astounding example of the enigma that is the human ear.
I hear a fart, you say it's the ocean.
This is also further proof that an artist should never give two craps about what other people think. Ever wonder why an artist doesn't ask their fans; "hey guys, what should I do next?" The thread above says it all.

BlaqueKnight said:

sinisterpentatonic said:

Some of you guys are missing the point of the thread that The Dog started. He started this thread because he is saying that Rick James has constantly made similar songs and Prince has never, not even once. Yes, Rick James has made similar songs and Prince has also. Rick ain't perfect and neither is Prince. Face it, Prince is not God.

The part that The Dog posted here is part of a thread that Mistermaxxx made basically telling all the Prince fans to get the hell out. The thread that The Dog started here is not a thread about whether you think "Sign O The Times" is a good album or not, or whether Prince is a better artist than Rick James, or whether Prince is more versitile than Rick James. It is a thread about whether Prince has ever made songs that sound similar to some of his earlier songs. We all know he has and if you can't hear it, you need to be checked for a hearing aid.
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laurarichardson said:

Not true. Go listen to the live CD that came along with the Street Songs special edition. Live, Rick kicked ass. The live arrangements were very much on par with Prince at the time. They are two different artists with different life experiences. They wrote from different places. I like 'em both for different reasons.

Hotlegs said

So, people can talk shit about Rick if they want to at the end of the day but at the end of the day he will always be the King Of Punk Funk hands down.

OdysseyMiles said:

I miss maxxx but anyone that says R Kelly is the king of anything....

laurarichardson said:

Not true. Go listen to the live CD that came along with the Street Songs special edition. Live, Rick kicked ass. The live arrangements were very much on par with Prince at the time. They are two different artists with different life experiences. They wrote from different places. I like 'em both for different reasons.

In the early days, Prince was versitile without overdoing it. After "Purple Rain" he was trying to be so damned versitile that it weakened the funk.

DavidEye said:

Hotlegs said:

Harlepolis said:

I've never felt that Rick James was making the same album over and over.If you listen to each album,you will see that they're all different,sometimes in subtle ways.In 1980,after three successful funk albums,he diversified his sound a little.'Garden Of Love' was mostly ballads,and it was a "softer" album than his earlier records.'Street Songs' introduced elements of New Wave ("SuperFreak") and by 1983,Rick's music was more electronic and synth-based and the horns were slowly disappearing.Albums like 'Glow' and 'The Flag' were less than spectacular,but for better or worse,they didn't sound anything like his late-70s/early 80s albums.

No,he wasn't as "diverse" as Prince,but I don't think he was really interested in playing other styles.He was all about the funk.I recall a 1982 interview where he said something like "I could easily sellout and do a rock record,but why would I wanna abandon my own fans?" George Clinton has made similiar comments.Not every artist wants to play every style.

Actually, I had a civil discussion with him on another thread over there. He can bring up some good points when he wants to but people seem to not listen to him because he voices them in such a harsh and bitter way by calling Prince names on a personal level. It's almost like he has personal bitterness against Prince, rather than just being disappointed with some of his music. You can tell from his posts that he is a Prince fan whether he admits it or not.

I must admit, I don't know how he thinks "Purple Rain" is similar to "Temptation" and some of his other song examples, LOL, but I have seen him give good examples in other threads when he wasn't so bitter. He mentioned on another thread that "Billy Jack Bitch" sounds a little bit like Rick's "Standing On The Top". I never would have thought of that but I do see a slight resemblance.
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Actually, I had a civil discussion with him on another thread over there. He can bring up some good points when he wants to but people seem to not listen to him because he voices them in such a harsh and bitter way by calling Prince names on a personal level. It's almost like he has personal bitterness against Prince, rather than just being disappointed with some of his music. You can tell from his posts that he is a Prince fan whether he admits it or not.

I must admit, I don't know how he thinks "Purple Rain" is similar to "Temptation" and some of his other song examples, LOL, but I have seen him give good examples in other threads when he wasn't so bitter. He mentioned on another thread that "Billy Jack Bitch" sounds a little bit like Rick's "Standing On The Top". I never would have thought of that but I do see a slight resemblance.
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