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Printablesosgemini said: VoicesCarry said: I agree. I didn't say that Penn didn't deserve to win, just that they do feel they owe Murray. Do you remember how they announced that award - "I'm sorry, Bill"? thats not what happened.....after Penn won Murray started to get up and leave..Crystal then said; "Bill, dont go. We love you." which was followed by a standing ovation by the audience.... at the start of the year pundits thought murray *was* the sure winner because of the ovation (for Life Aquatic)...sadly, it wasnt well recieved which killed any momentum he had... I remember Crystal saying "I'm sorry, Bill" (or "We're sorry, Bill") somewhere in there  But yes, that is what happened.[Edited 1/11/05 14:09pm] | |
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VoicesCarry said: RipHer2Shreds said: Well, here's the flaw in your theory - Johnny Depp won the SAG last year for Pirates of the Caribbean.  Surely somebody - the same pool of actors - felt he deserved it.Yes, that was unexpected - and it's probably what got him the nomination. Do you know why he won that, though? Penn was pissing people off at the time by not attending ceremonies and by generally being Sean Penn. That's how they paid him back. Entire articles were written about the politics behind that choice.
Foxx does not have the same politics working against him. [Edited 1/11/05 14:08pm] Penn never goes to awards ceremonies. His appearance at the SAG and Oscar ceremonies were a first. He'd never attended for any of his previous nominations. | |
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RipHer2Shreds said: VoicesCarry said: Yes, that was unexpected - and it's probably what got him the nomination. Do you know why he won that, though? Penn was pissing people off at the time by not attending ceremonies and by generally being Sean Penn. That's how they paid him back. Entire articles were written about the politics behind that choice.
Foxx does not have the same politics working against him. [Edited 1/11/05 14:08pm] Penn never goes to awards ceremonies. His appearance at the SAG and Oscar ceremonies were a first. He'd never attended for any of his previous nominations. Exactly.  | |
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RipHer2Shreds said: sosgemini said: ahh..but the big flaw in your theory (and a good guess it is) is this: The industry felt Crowe actually deserved winning for The Insider...Same for Judy Dench (who ended up winning for her cameo in Shack in Love when she should have won for Mrs. Brown).....but nobody feels that Johnny Depp should have won for Pirates... sure, the Academy likes to give out legacy awards....but those are usually reserved for the above cases or for people who are overlooked for years (see Henry Fonda, Paul Newman or John Wayne)....Depp is neither. Well, here's the flaw in your theory - Johnny Depp won the SAG last year for Pirates of the Caribbean. Surely somebody - the same pool of actors - felt he deserved it.nope....the SAGS have previously given an award to someone thats really "liked" but who end up empty handed come Oscar night.. Annette Bennign (american beauty) and Daniel Day Lewis (gangs of new york). and look it here...see a pattern....Annette lost to Hillary Swank (another performance that shocked people because she was previously known as "that chick from 90210"or "that chick that is married to the dorky lowe brother") and lewis lost to *gasp* Adrian Brody..(see above).. its Foxx for Ray!! Space for sale... | |
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Anyway, I've taken up enough space in this thread, and no amount of debate is going to change my opinion on the matter. lol That said, I will not be disappointed if Wanda wins the Oscar. He was quite good, he's just not my top pick for the award. | |
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RipHer2Shreds said: Anyway, I've taken up enough space in this thread, and no amount of debate is going to change my opinion on the matter. lol That said, I will not be disappointed if Wanda wins the Oscar. He was quite good, he's just not my top pick for the award.
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RipHer2Shreds said: Anyway, I've taken up enough space in this thread, and no amount of debate is going to change my opinion on the matter. lol That said, I will not be disappointed if Wanda wins the Oscar. He was quite good, he's just not my top pick for the award.
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sosgemini said: RipHer2Shreds said: Well, here's the flaw in your theory - Johnny Depp won the SAG last year for Pirates of the Caribbean. Surely somebody - the same pool of actors - felt he deserved it.nope....the SAGS have previously given an award to someone thats really "liked" but who end up empty handed come Oscar night.. Annette Bennign (american beauty) and Daniel Day Lewis (gangs of new york). and look it here...see a pattern....Annette lost to Hillary Swank (another performance that shocked people because she was previously known as "that chick from 90210"or "that chick that is married to the dorky lowe brother") and lewis lost to *gasp* Adrian Brody..(see above).. its Foxx for Ray!! Gosford Park - Helen Mirren LOTR - Ian McKellen (huge upset @ the Oscars) Albert Finney - Erin Brockovich (another upset) Chocolat - Judi Dench And so on.... [Edited 1/11/05 14:19pm] | |
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VoicesCarry said: RipHer2Shreds said: Anyway, I've taken up enough space in this thread, and no amount of debate is going to change my opinion on the matter. lol That said, I will not be disappointed if Wanda wins the Oscar. He was quite good, he's just not my top pick for the award.
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RipHer2Shreds said: VoicesCarry said: You will eat crow on Oscar night. I'm not humbled when I'm wrong. I'm often wrong.'Twas a joke. | |
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VoicesCarry said: Thomas Haden Church is also pretty much a lock in the Best Supporting Actor category (also for Sideways).
[Edited 1/11/05 13:55pm] If Morgan Freeman gets nominated 4 "Million Dollar Baby", Chruch is done 4. That award almost always goes 2 the old geezers! [Edited 1/11/05 15:13pm] Listen to me on The House of Pop Culture podcast on itunes http://itunes.apple.com/u...d438631917 | |
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npgmaverick said: VoicesCarry said: Thomas Haden Church is also pretty much a lock in the Best Supporting Actor category (also for Sideways).
[Edited 1/11/05 13:55pm] If Morgan Freeman gets nominated 4 "Million Dollar Baby", Chruch is done 4. That award almost always goes 2 the old geezers! [Edited 1/11/05 15:13pm] i knew there was someone else that i was thinking of that would take this....your right...and im not too sold on church getting a nod.....Space for sale... | |
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RipHer2Shreds said: VoicesCarry said: Denzel Washington  ?Is he a comedian? Look Jamie is not Denzel.Denzel is an accomplished established actor. Whereas, Jamie is just a damn comedian turned actor thats a difference so don't try to bullshit me. | |
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Hotlegs said: RipHer2Shreds said: Is he a comedian? Look Jamie is not Denzel.Denzel is an accomplished established actor. Whereas, Jamie is just a damn comedian turned actor thats a difference so don't try to bullshit me. Cool it there, partner. I wasn't bullshitting you. I was pointing out the part of your thread that he missed. | |
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RipHer2Shreds said: Hotlegs said: Look Jamie is not Denzel.Denzel is an accomplished established actor. Whereas, Jamie is just a damn comedian turned actor thats a difference so don't try to bullshit me. Cool it there, partner. I wasn't bullshitting you. I was pointing out the part of your thread that he missed.  Cool. | |
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Hotlegs said: RipHer2Shreds said: Cool it there, partner. I wasn't bullshitting you. I was pointing out the part of your thread that he missed. Cool.im interested in your view on my observation that the academy has actually been rewarding individuals for "shocking" and unexpected performanes...i sited halle berry, hillary swank, charlize theron and adrian brody as examples of people who were considered either "eye candy", a "silly 90210 extra", "a model" and an "indie guy who hasnt done much" who all went on to win oscar gold.. how does that gel with your "he is just a damn comedian turned actor" assessment? Space for sale... | |
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VoicesCarry said: sosgemini said: ahh..but the big flaw in your theory (and a good guess it is) is this: The industry felt Crowe actually deserved winning for The Insider...Same for Judy Dench (who ended up winning for her cameo in Shack in Love when she should have won for Mrs. Brown).....but nobody feels that Johnny Depp should have won for Pirates... sure, the Academy likes to give out legacy awards....but those are usually reserved for the above cases or for people who are overlooked for years (see Henry Fonda, Paul Newman or John Wayne)....Depp is neither. Let's just say that if Bill Murray were the one under consideration this year, there might be some competition. They owe him for Lost In Translation. Pirates was not a career-best performance. It just made a lot of money. And we all know Depp can be flamboyant. There was surprise when he was nominated, but none when he lost. [Edited 1/11/05 14:00pm] The Bill Murray factor! I haven't seen the new movie and haven't heard anything about him getting an Oscar but what baout "Lost In Translation" and "Rushmore"? Will he ever get his due? Someone mentioned comedains not getting a fair shake and Bill certaintly doesn't! His roles in silly comedies are great and his roles in these more serious films have been amazing but he hasn't gotten his due and could that be because of his past? And if that's the case, can that hurt Jamie "Booty Call" Foxx? Shit, "Booty Call" was a hit? What about all his forgetable fliicks? Perhaps the Oscars will almost see him as someone new...(you think they even know he did like 10 movies before "Colloteral"?). | |
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VoicesCarry said: sosgemini said: nope....the SAGS have previously given an award to someone thats really "liked" but who end up empty handed come Oscar night.. Annette Bennign (american beauty) and Daniel Day Lewis (gangs of new york). and look it here...see a pattern....Annette lost to Hillary Swank (another performance that shocked people because she was previously known as "that chick from 90210"or "that chick that is married to the dorky lowe brother") and lewis lost to *gasp* Adrian Brody..(see above).. its Foxx for Ray!! Gosford Park - Helen Mirren LOTR - Ian McKellen (huge upset @ the Oscars) Albert Finney - Erin Brockovich (another upset) Chocolat - Judi Dench And so on.... [Edited 1/11/05 14:19pm] Huh? I don't even remember those people being nominated, let alone winning? Judi Dench was in "Chocolate"? What are we talking about anymore? | |
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VinnyM27 said: VoicesCarry said: Let's just say that if Bill Murray were the one under consideration this year, there might be some competition. They owe him for Lost In Translation. Pirates was not a career-best performance. It just made a lot of money. And we all know Depp can be flamboyant. There was surprise when he was nominated, but none when he lost. [Edited 1/11/05 14:00pm] The Bill Murray factor! I haven't seen the new movie and haven't heard anything about him getting an Oscar but what baout "Lost In Translation" and "Rushmore"? Will he ever get his due? Someone mentioned comedains not getting a fair shake and Bill certaintly doesn't! His roles in silly comedies are great and his roles in these more serious films have been amazing but he hasn't gotten his due and could that be because of his past? And if that's the case, can that hurt Jamie "Booty Call" Foxx? Shit, "Booty Call" was a hit? What about all his forgetable fliicks? Perhaps the Oscars will almost see him as someone new...(you think they even know he did like 10 movies before "Colloteral"?). To tell you the truth, the Oscar Committee probably won't be able to see past he comic background. However, by him just getting nominated, this is a start in the right direction for the acting aspect of his career. | |
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VinnyM27 said: VoicesCarry said: Gosford Park - Helen Mirren LOTR - Ian McKellen (huge upset @ the Oscars) Albert Finney - Erin Brockovich (another upset) Chocolat - Judi Dench And so on.... [Edited 1/11/05 14:19pm] Huh? I don't even remember those people being nominated, let alone winning? Judi Dench was in "Chocolate"? What are we talking about anymore? yes..she was...and yes they were..
we were talking about how the SAG awards dont always equal oscar gold....the SAGS has a history of giving it to people they really really like (as sally field would say).....so does the oscars but it tends to be either a living legacy type award (even if the winner doesnt really deserve it..see henry fonda, the duke, liz taylor's first oscar win, that old man that ended up doing the one arm sit-ups during his acceptance, paul newman, heck even al pacino for his stinkarooni "scent of a woman" was more a career cap win....) or you have the was snubbed for their last nomination thus lets give it to em now even though they really dont deserve it award (see judi dench, russell crowe).... Space for sale... | |
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I hope he wins in both category's at the Oscars. I've been knowing about this guys talent for years. I always knew he could do big things if given the opertunity. | |
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sosgemini said: npgmaverick said: If Morgan Freeman gets nominated 4 "Million Dollar Baby", Chruch is done 4. That award almost always goes 2 the old geezers! [Edited 1/11/05 15:13pm] i knew there was someone else that i was thinking of that would take this....your right...and im not too sold on church getting a nod.....He'll definitely get a nod - and he'll probably win. Boston Society of Film Critics Awards Year Result Award Category/Recipient(s) 2004 Won BSFC Award Best Supporting Actor for: Sideways (2004) Chicago Film Critics Association Awards Year Result Award Category/Recipient(s) 2004 Won CFCA Award Best Supporting Actor for: Sideways (2004) Dallas-Forth Worth Film Critics Association Awards Year Result Award Category/Recipient(s) 2005 Won DFWFCA Award Best Supporting Actor for: Sideways (2004) Florida Film Critics Circle Awards Year Result Award Category/Recipient(s) 2004 Won FFCC Award Best Supporting Actor for: Sideways (2004) Golden Globes, USA Year Result Award Category/Recipient(s) 2005 Nominated Golden Globe Best Performance by an Actor in a Supporting Role in a Motion Picture for: Sideways (2004) Golden Satellite Awards Year Result Award Category/Recipient(s) 2005 Nominated Golden Satellite Award Best Actor in a Supporting Role, Comedy or Musical for: Sideways (2004) Independent Spirit Awards Year Result Award Category/Recipient(s) 2005 Nominated Independent Spirit Award Best Supporting Male for: Sideways (2004) Kansas City Film Critics Circle Awards Year Result Award Category/Recipient(s) 2005 Won KCFCC Award Best Supporting Actor for: Sideways (2004) Los Angeles Film Critics Association Awards Year Result Award Category/Recipient(s) 2004 Won LAFCA Award Best Supporting Actor for: Sideways (2004) National Board of Review, USA Year Result Award Category/Recipient(s) 2004 Won NBR Award Best Supporting Actor for: Sideways (2004) National Society of Film Critics Awards, USA Year Result Award Category/Recipient(s) 2005 Won NSFC Award Best Supporting Actor for: Sideways (2004) Phoenix Film Critics Society Awards Year Result Award Category/Recipient(s) 2004 Won PFCS Award Best Performance by an Actor in a Supporting Role for: Sideways (2004) San Francisco Film Critics Circle Year Result Award Category/Recipient(s) 2004 Won SFFCC Award Best Supporting Actor for: Sideways (2004) Seattle Film Critics Awards Year Result Award Category/Recipient(s) 2004 Won Seattle Film Critics Award Best Supporting Actor for: Sideways (2004) Southeastern Film Critics Association Awards Year Result Award Category/Recipient(s) 2004 Won SEFCA Award Best Supporting Actor for: Sideways (2004) | |
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VoicesCarry said: sosgemini said: i knew there was someone else that i was thinking of that would take this....your right...and im not too sold on church getting a nod.....He'll definitely get a nod - and he'll probably win. Boston Society of Film Critics Awards Year Result Award Category/Recipient(s) 2004 Won BSFC Award Best Supporting Actor for: Sideways (2004) Chicago Film Critics Association Awards Year Result Award Category/Recipient(s) 2004 Won CFCA Award Best Supporting Actor for: Sideways (2004) Dallas-Forth Worth Film Critics Association Awards Year Result Award Category/Recipient(s) 2005 Won DFWFCA Award Best Supporting Actor for: Sideways (2004) Florida Film Critics Circle Awards Year Result Award Category/Recipient(s) 2004 Won FFCC Award Best Supporting Actor for: Sideways (2004) Golden Globes, USA Year Result Award Category/Recipient(s) 2005 Nominated Golden Globe Best Performance by an Actor in a Supporting Role in a Motion Picture for: Sideways (2004) Golden Satellite Awards Year Result Award Category/Recipient(s) 2005 Nominated Golden Satellite Award Best Actor in a Supporting Role, Comedy or Musical for: Sideways (2004) Independent Spirit Awards Year Result Award Category/Recipient(s) 2005 Nominated Independent Spirit Award Best Supporting Male for: Sideways (2004) Kansas City Film Critics Circle Awards Year Result Award Category/Recipient(s) 2005 Won KCFCC Award Best Supporting Actor for: Sideways (2004) Los Angeles Film Critics Association Awards Year Result Award Category/Recipient(s) 2004 Won LAFCA Award Best Supporting Actor for: Sideways (2004) National Board of Review, USA Year Result Award Category/Recipient(s) 2004 Won NBR Award Best Supporting Actor for: Sideways (2004) National Society of Film Critics Awards, USA Year Result Award Category/Recipient(s) 2005 Won NSFC Award Best Supporting Actor for: Sideways (2004) Phoenix Film Critics Society Awards Year Result Award Category/Recipient(s) 2004 Won PFCS Award Best Performance by an Actor in a Supporting Role for: Sideways (2004) San Francisco Film Critics Circle Year Result Award Category/Recipient(s) 2004 Won SFFCC Award Best Supporting Actor for: Sideways (2004) Seattle Film Critics Awards Year Result Award Category/Recipient(s) 2004 Won Seattle Film Critics Award Best Supporting Actor for: Sideways (2004) Southeastern Film Critics Association Awards Year Result Award Category/Recipient(s) 2004 Won SEFCA Award Best Supporting Actor for: Sideways (2004) no way.....critics award sweeps does *not* equate a win...just ask poor Sissy Spacek..There has to be "other" reasons (like in the case of Ray)...Church's performance isnt groundbreaking nor has he been over-do...The guy was on Wings...so, with that in mind im currently giving it to Morgan Freeman..the guy is "loved"...Couple that with the fact that this will probably be the only award that the academy will be able to bestow on Million Dollar Baby and the award is Freemans... btw: this is a fun thread!!! you all rock...i thought i as the only oscar nut!!  Space for sale... | |
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sosgemini said: VoicesCarry said: He'll definitely get a nod - and he'll probably win. Boston Society of Film Critics Awards Year Result Award Category/Recipient(s) 2004 Won BSFC Award Best Supporting Actor for: Sideways (2004) Chicago Film Critics Association Awards Year Result Award Category/Recipient(s) 2004 Won CFCA Award Best Supporting Actor for: Sideways (2004) Dallas-Forth Worth Film Critics Association Awards Year Result Award Category/Recipient(s) 2005 Won DFWFCA Award Best Supporting Actor for: Sideways (2004) Florida Film Critics Circle Awards Year Result Award Category/Recipient(s) 2004 Won FFCC Award Best Supporting Actor for: Sideways (2004) Golden Globes, USA Year Result Award Category/Recipient(s) 2005 Nominated Golden Globe Best Performance by an Actor in a Supporting Role in a Motion Picture for: Sideways (2004) Golden Satellite Awards Year Result Award Category/Recipient(s) 2005 Nominated Golden Satellite Award Best Actor in a Supporting Role, Comedy or Musical for: Sideways (2004) Independent Spirit Awards Year Result Award Category/Recipient(s) 2005 Nominated Independent Spirit Award Best Supporting Male for: Sideways (2004) Kansas City Film Critics Circle Awards Year Result Award Category/Recipient(s) 2005 Won KCFCC Award Best Supporting Actor for: Sideways (2004) Los Angeles Film Critics Association Awards Year Result Award Category/Recipient(s) 2004 Won LAFCA Award Best Supporting Actor for: Sideways (2004) National Board of Review, USA Year Result Award Category/Recipient(s) 2004 Won NBR Award Best Supporting Actor for: Sideways (2004) National Society of Film Critics Awards, USA Year Result Award Category/Recipient(s) 2005 Won NSFC Award Best Supporting Actor for: Sideways (2004) Phoenix Film Critics Society Awards Year Result Award Category/Recipient(s) 2004 Won PFCS Award Best Performance by an Actor in a Supporting Role for: Sideways (2004) San Francisco Film Critics Circle Year Result Award Category/Recipient(s) 2004 Won SFFCC Award Best Supporting Actor for: Sideways (2004) Seattle Film Critics Awards Year Result Award Category/Recipient(s) 2004 Won Seattle Film Critics Award Best Supporting Actor for: Sideways (2004) Southeastern Film Critics Association Awards Year Result Award Category/Recipient(s) 2004 Won SEFCA Award Best Supporting Actor for: Sideways (2004) no way.....critics award sweeps does *not* equate a win...just ask poor Sissy Spacek..There has to be "other" reasons (like in the case of Ray)...Church's performance isnt groundbreaking nor has he been over-do...The guy was on Wings...so, with that in mind im currently giving it to Morgan Freeman..the guy is "loved"...Couple that with the fact that this will probably be the only award that the academy will be able to bestow on Million Dollar Baby and the award is Freemans... btw: this is a fun thread!!! you all rock...i thought i as the only oscar nut!! Obviously - I never said that. I think he will probably win, though. A nod is guaranteed, however. | |
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well for my two cents, I don't think they'll give Jamie the oscar. The academy is so wishy washy. They only give out the awards like 5 to 20 years late to the people who deserved them. Look at Al Pacino, it took him twenty years to get the oscar that he deserved to get from the "Godfather, and Godfather PartII". With Sean Penn also, we all know the he deserved it way back with "Dead man walking", but he just got one a year ago to make up for it.
Jamie may get an emmy though, just imo.... I will forever love and miss you...my sweet Prince. | |
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missfee said: well for my two cents, I don't think they'll give Jamie the oscar. The academy is so wishy washy. They only give out the awards like 5 to 20 years late to the people who deserved them. Look at Al Pacino, it took him twenty years to get the oscar that he deserved to get from the "Godfather, and Godfather PartII". With Sean Penn also, we all know the he deserved it way back with "Dead man walking", but he just got one a year ago to make up for it.
Jamie may get an emmy though, just imo.... i agree 100% with your reasoning....but let me follow with my theory a lil more...Sean Penn lost to Nicolas Cage (in one of those, breakout-shock everyone performances that i mentioned before) for Leaving Las Vegas....and while Dead Man Walking was an awesome performance it wasnt flashy enough like playing a drunkered (cage), a poor and plain when your known for your beauty (berry), butt ugly murderer (theron), or a starving holocaust survivor (brody).....Personally i think Foxx trumps all of these performances because he conveyed one of this countries living legends...He made you "believe" he was Ray....*and* he played blind..*and* actually played the piano... intersting enough Pacino (godfather2) lost against Art Carney [legacy win if you ask me] and lost against Joel Gray for godfather1 [another legacy win]... hehehhe...obviously my guesses mean absolutely nothing..but hey, im having fun doing this..hehehe Space for sale... | |
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I don't believe Jamie Foxx's comedic past will have much of a negative effect on his Oscar hopes. He hasn't made any mega-billion grossing comedy starring himself in some larger than life comedic role. Steve Martin, Eddie Murphy, Adam Sandler, Robin Williams, etc. all made big national impact joking it up playing broad comedic parts in primetime tv or movies. That brands them as "comics" which is different from being an "actor."
Foxx has made a steady career in cable tv & minor movies until this year. He hasn't gotten that same "comic" stain. He isn't identified with any one big overpowering life altering hit. He wasn't a regular on SNL. | |
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missfee said: well for my two cents, I don't think they'll give Jamie the oscar. The academy is so wishy washy. They only give out the awards like 5 to 20 years late to the people who deserved them. Look at Al Pacino, it took him twenty years to get the oscar that he deserved to get from the "Godfather, and Godfather PartII". With Sean Penn also, we all know the he deserved it way back with "Dead man walking", but he just got one a year ago to make up for it.
Jamie may get an emmy though, just imo.... An Emmy is TV. Let it go! | |
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thedoorkeeper said: I don't believe Jamie Foxx's comedic past will have much of a negative effect on his Oscar hopes. He hasn't made any mega-billion grossing comedy starring himself in some larger than life comedic role. Steve Martin, Eddie Murphy, Adam Sandler, Robin Williams, etc. all made big national impact joking it up playing broad comedic parts in primetime tv or movies. That brands them as "comics" which is different from being an "actor."
Foxx has made a steady career in cable tv & minor movies until this year. He hasn't gotten that same "comic" stain. He isn't identified with any one big overpowering life altering hit. He wasn't a regular on SNL. But was a regular on "In Living Color" and had a sitcom (a fairly poor one, as I remembered it). I think it will be overlooked though, becuase he was never that popular and this was a breakthrough smash. I'd be happy if he or Paul gets it. If someone else does, I'd be shocked. | |
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missfee said: Will he get it??
No, and we all know the reason why. | |
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