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China Girl and Baby I love You : which versions? Well I've always been completely torn between Bowie's version of China Girl and Iggy Pop's version...and I'm not sure which was recorded first so I can't even go with the original (which I'd normally lean towards). Love them both in different ways. Bowie's is kinda sinister, Iggy just scary (that wailing!).
As for Baby I love You, much as I love The Ronettes I think Phil Spector somehow managed to top his original version with The Ramones. Joey Ramone's vocals are really incredible here. So what would be the popular choice if u had to choose one over the other? [Edited 12/19/04 16:14pm] | |
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Bowie all the way.
Ronettes all the way. I am also partial to Andy Kim's cover of "Baby I Love You", which has a nice, less bombastic arrangement. | |
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I like them for different reasons. Iggy's came first and seems to drive home the threatening tone of the lyrics. Bowie's is more urgent and sexy though. I enjoy listening to Bowie's more I'd say. | |
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I'm kinda luke-warm on both versions of China Girl.
I like the Ramones version of Baby I Love You, but it's no replacement for the original. On a tangent - does anyone know any good stories about the recording sessions for End of the Century? I've heard that Phil Spector held Johnny Ramone at gunpoint forcing him to play Baby I Love You for hours. | |
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damosuzuki said: I'm kinda luke-warm on both versions of China Girl.
I like the Ramones version of Baby I Love You, but it's no replacement for the original. On a tangent - does anyone know any good stories about the recording sessions for End of the Century? I've heard that Phil Spector held Johnny Ramone at gunpoint forcing him to play Baby I Love You for hours. I've heard that about every Spector recording session.  | |
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Co-sign with VC any others with a similar opinion.
Of course it's The Ronettes featuring my childhood fantasy girl... 
...Ronnie Spector 
Can't imagine a China Girl version that could surpass the combination of Bowie's vocal, Nile's production and SRV's guitar. tA  Tribal Disorder
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theAudience said: Co-sign with VC any others with a similar opinion.
Of course it's The Ronettes featuring my childhood fantasy girl...
...Ronnie Spector
Can't imagine a China Girl version that could surpass the combination of Bowie's vocal, Nile's production and SRV's guitar. tA Tribal Disorder
http://www.soundclick.com...rmusic.htm And you haven't heard it until you've heard it in w i d e stereo, as far as I'm concerned. Phil Spector's mono obsession annoys the piss out of me. | |
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VoicesCarry said: And you haven't heard it until you've heard it in w i d e stereo, as far as I'm concerned. Phil Spector's mono obsession annoys the piss out of me. Gotta problem with "The Wall" of mono? 
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theAudience said: VoicesCarry said: And you haven't heard it until you've heard it in w i d e stereo, as far as I'm concerned. Phil Spector's mono obsession annoys the piss out of me. Gotta problem with "The Wall"?
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http://www.soundclick.com...rmusic.htm Yeah - The Wall sounds better in stereo! Actually, I think my anti-mono bias is probably due to the fact that he did such a shoddy job remastering the material for the Back To Mono box set and The Ronettes, The Crystals & Darlene Love collections. That stuff sounds NOTHING like the original 45's  | |
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VoicesCarry said: theAudience said: Yeah - The Wall sounds better in stereo! Actually, I think my anti-mono bias is probably due to the fact that he did such a shoddy job remastering the material for the Back To Mono box set and The Ronettes, The Crystals & Darlene Love collections. That stuff sounds NOTHING like the original 45's That sounds criminal. Maybe they should...I don't know...send him to jail or something! 
All joking aside, that classic material needs justice done to it. (no pun intended) tA Tribal Disorder
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theAudience said: VoicesCarry said: Yeah - The Wall sounds better in stereo! Actually, I think my anti-mono bias is probably due to the fact that he did such a shoddy job remastering the material for the Back To Mono box set and The Ronettes, The Crystals & Darlene Love collections. That stuff sounds NOTHING like the original 45's That sounds criminal. Maybe they should...I don't know...send him to jail or something!
All joking aside, that classic material needs justice done to it. (no pun intended) tA Tribal Disorder
http://www.soundclick.com...rmusic.htm There are some imports on the Marginal label from Europe that feature stunning stereo remasters. They're bootlegs but the sound is amazing. I don't know where they found the masters, but who cares, right? Interestingly enough one of them features "Girls Can Tell" but with Ronnie Spector on lead vocal! That was quite a find for me. It's the same instrumental and everything as the regular Crystals version. To top it all off they're 29- or 30-song compilations, which is almost double what the official releases had. They even have "The Screw (Let's Dance)" for novelty value on the Crystals collection. I also have a nice Ronettes compilation called "All The Hits" on the Charly label that's got quite nice sound, but not as good as the Marginal releases. [Edited 12/19/04 18:39pm] | |
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VoicesCarry said: theAudience said: That sounds criminal. Maybe they should...I don't know...send him to jail or something!
All joking aside, that classic material needs justice done to it. (no pun intended) tA Tribal Disorder
http://www.soundclick.com...rmusic.htm There are some imports on the Marginal label from Europe that feature stunning stereo remasters. They're bootlegs but the sound is amazing. I don't know where they found the masters, but who cares, right? Interestingly enough one of them features "Girls Can Tell" but with Ronnie Spector on lead vocal! That was quite a find for me. It's the same instrumental and everything as the regular Crystals version. To top it all off they're 29- or 30-song compilations, which is almost double what the official releases had. They even have "The Screw (Let's Dance)" for novelty value on the Crystals collection. I also have a nice Ronettes compilation called "All The Hits" on the Charly label that's got quite nice sound, but not as good as the Marginal releases. Marginal it is, with Charly running a close second. Thanks for the good info...as usual. 
I'm not surprised about the change of lead vocalists. You know that on some records The Crystals are actually Darlene and possibly The Blossoms. tA Tribal Disorder
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theAudience said: VoicesCarry said: There are some imports on the Marginal label from Europe that feature stunning stereo remasters. They're bootlegs but the sound is amazing. I don't know where they found the masters, but who cares, right? Interestingly enough one of them features "Girls Can Tell" but with Ronnie Spector on lead vocal! That was quite a find for me. It's the same instrumental and everything as the regular Crystals version. To top it all off they're 29- or 30-song compilations, which is almost double what the official releases had. They even have "The Screw (Let's Dance)" for novelty value on the Crystals collection. I also have a nice Ronettes compilation called "All The Hits" on the Charly label that's got quite nice sound, but not as good as the Marginal releases. Marginal it is, with Charly running a close second. Thanks for the good info...as usual.
I'm not surprised about the change of lead vocalists. You know that on some records The Crystals are actually Darlene and possibly The Blossoms. tA Tribal Disorder
http://www.soundclick.com...rmusic.htm  The best Christmas song ever as far as I'm concerned is Darlene Love singing "Christmas (Baby Please Come Home)". Interestingly she did an earlier version of the song called "Johnny (Please Come Home)" and Spector just updated the lyrics for the Christmas LP. | |
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VoicesCarry said: The best Christmas song ever as far as I'm concerned is Darlene Love singing "Christmas (Baby Please Come Home)". Interestingly she did an earlier version of the song called "Johnny (Please Come Home)" and Spector just updated the lyrics for the Christmas LP.On the pop side of things, i'll give you that. (I'm still partial to Nat and The Christmas Song) However...
...She loves me! 
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theAudience said: VoicesCarry said: The best Christmas song ever as far as I'm concerned is Darlene Love singing "Christmas (Baby Please Come Home)". Interestingly she did an earlier version of the song called "Johnny (Please Come Home)" and Spector just updated the lyrics for the Christmas LP.On the pop side of things, i'll give you that. (I'm still partial to Nat and The Christmas Song) However...
...She loves me!
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http://www.soundclick.com...rmusic.htm Nat's song is definitely my #2. Ronnie had such undeniable star quality.
<-----They need to reissue this on CD! And my fav Ronettes pic:  | |
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VoicesCarry said: Ronnie had such undeniable star quality.
Indeed.
Plus there's something about that eyeliner and mascara. 
Those pics just earned their own folder on my photobucket page. 
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Ronnie rocks my box! I love those girls. | |
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did u all know that Phil Spector produced an entire album with Celine Deon...her management scrapped it but Phil says its ten times better then the crap she actually produced.....
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sosgemini said: did u all know that Phil Spector produced an entire album with Celine Deon...her management scrapped it but Phil says its ten times better then the crap she actually produced.....
Actually, I don't even think they got through producing the entire record - she quit because she said she couldn't work under his conditions. He wanted to do a whole record with her after "River Deep - Mountain High", though. | |
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VoicesCarry said: sosgemini said: did u all know that Phil Spector produced an entire album with Celine Deon...her management scrapped it but Phil says its ten times better then the crap she actually produced.....
Actually, I don't even think they got through producing the entire record - she quit because she said she couldn't work under his conditions. He wanted to do a whole record with her after "River Deep - Mountain High", though. yeah..EW had an issue that discussed movies and albums that were scrapped and it said he has it and was considering releasing it....doubt that will happen now with his current situation.... bang bang!! Space for sale... | |
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VoicesCarry said: theAudience said: Yeah - The Wall sounds better in stereo! Actually, I think my anti-mono bias is probably due to the fact that he did such a shoddy job remastering the material for the Back To Mono box set and The Ronettes, The Crystals & Darlene Love collections. That stuff sounds NOTHING like the original 45's Why would such a genius and perfectionist do a shoddy job on remastering his entire legacy? I'd love to hear the original 45s, though having not heard them means I still love my Back To Mono box set as much as ever. | |
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kinaldo said: VoicesCarry said: Yeah - The Wall sounds better in stereo! Actually, I think my anti-mono bias is probably due to the fact that he did such a shoddy job remastering the material for the Back To Mono box set and The Ronettes, The Crystals & Darlene Love collections. That stuff sounds NOTHING like the original 45's Why would such a genius and perfectionist do a shoddy job on remastering his entire legacy? I'd love to hear the original 45s, though having not heard them means I still love my Back To Mono box set as much as ever. Check your orgnotes. | |
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VoicesCarry said: kinaldo said: Why would such a genius and perfectionist do a shoddy job on remastering his entire legacy? I'd love to hear the original 45s, though having not heard them means I still love my Back To Mono box set as much as ever. Check your orgnotes. You just blew my mind! I see now what u were talking about, what a shame that. | |
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kinaldo said: As for Baby I love You, much as I love The Ronettes I think Phil Spector somehow managed to top his original version with The Ramones. Joey Ramone's vocals are really incredible here. [Edited 12/19/04 16:14pm] Is this the same as JLO's "Baby I love you"? | |
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As for China Girl, you have to go with Bowie. Stevie Ray Vaughn has some nice guitar work on that tune. a psychotic is someone who just figured out what's going on | |
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twink69 said: kinaldo said: As for Baby I love You, much as I love The Ronettes I think Phil Spector somehow managed to top his original version with The Ramones. Joey Ramone's vocals are really incredible here. [Edited 12/19/04 16:14pm] Is this the same as JLO's "Baby I love you"? Uh, nope! | |
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