garykarl said:

ABeautifulOne said:

Clive was gone from Arista quite awhile ago. it's the reason why J exists in the first place.

um yeah BMG tried to push him out of Arista and he wouldn't let them so they gave him J to leave Arista so LA Reid could have the company

ABeautifulOne,

those "live mic pops" can be produced with ease when recording alternate vocal tracks for a "live performance."

ThreadBare said:

ok now leave me alone about it u sent it 2 me in an orgnote let it rest damn

Marrk said:

well said

thanks God I'm not the only one dillusional, eh love4oneanotha?

sosgemini said:

decades and decades with in the industry? so by naming his son prince it was his own self assurance that he was king..?

TheJourney4all7 said:

[Edited 12/25/04 10:58am]

PEJ said:

VERY good observation, Pejjifer

LightOfArt said:

Please your not the only dillusional fan hehe

Im not taking away from Mike, but c'mon he grew up learning from the motown master himself Berry Gordy,
so he knew what to do

But without Quincy, He wouldn't be where he is to day
Quincy Does more than Rinky Dink Pop Songs,
With Spectacular Arrangements, the Correct Instrumentation
and list of great song writers, MJ would of been an ordinary Pop Star
if it wasn't for Quincy,
Mj should be glad his name was next to Quincy, but i doubt his huge Ego would kow tow to anyone
Around the off the wall and thriller Era, that was mostly all Quincy,
when Bad came around, Mj took the reigns and developed himself

But C'mon anyone who thinks MJ would be at the same superstar level if he wasn't with quincy, but was with any run of the mill Producer
You are Outside your mind

Luv4oneanotha said:

oh come on you're embarassing yourself. Without the songs Michael wrote and produced himself, those albums wouldnt be half succesful. Off The Wall wouldnt be Off The Wall without Don't Stop and Thriller wouldnt be Thriller without Billie Jean

saying he's just a popstar without Q is sorry but damn stupid. You've got to understand is that Off The Wall wasnt his first album. Songs on Destiny And Triumph can match those. In truth the weakest songs on Thriller album are the non-mj cuts

MJ didnt need Quincy Jones, he just needed a producer. In fact, it was Quincy who asked MJ to be his producer.



maybe you should check out what quincy says about michael's contribution to albums, listen some demos from Off The Wall, Thriller, Destiny etc to know that he does his own stuff and quit giving Q more credit than he deserves to discredit MJ's very own talent.

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Luv4oneanotha said:

Please
the cuts on destiny and triumph where not that great...
I know, i use to listen to those C.d.s frantically usually skipped the songs Mj did
like "Be not always" (ackkkkk)

I wholeheartedly Disagree, Rod Temperton and Quincy jones where equally important, and Quincy Jones was most likely in fact more
theirs a fine line from having talent and no structure,
than being given that structure,
if you follow Quincy and Michaels career
you will see that after his interaction with quincy,
he began making more sleeker arrangements, much of the tracks on bad, Dangerous and History are very Quincy Like
because when you work under the master, you become the master

I have all the demo's, im not in the dark
Mj had his vision and Quincy perfected it,
but im sorry
If it wasn't for Quincy Jones, mj would be somewhere else
and i shall stick to my argument
Hell i think Mj needs to pay Quincy another visit after a Disaster like Invincible (mind you i know it partially wasn't his fault, but still)

quick question why do yall write paragraphs?some peoples pc's dont load that much

ABeautifulOne said:

Editor: P.C. stands for Puny Cranium here.

Luv4oneanotha said:

Then we'll agree to disagree I guess, I could've keep on arguing but it will keep on going, no point.



just know that I'm right

regarding the Quincy debate.

Obviously Quincy is a great producer, and I used to think MJ was a puppet.

But recently I have discovered MJ's work without Quincy from the same era, ie. The Jacksons group material that MJ wrote, and also the demo recordings of "Workin Day And Night" and "Don't Stop Til You Get Enough" (before Q touched the songs). And it is clear that MJ is a talented songwriter.. it is only obscured by the fact that the same time MJ began to have more creative control, Q was on the scene.

Now i wouldn't go as far as to call him a puppet, but last leave it on this
MJ always had the talent

all im saying is his interaction with quincy lets say
Developed that already remaining talent that was there ok? lol

CinisterCee said:

suck ass milk ok

ABeautifulOne said:

carrot lemon carrot eat

VoicesCarry said:

wtf i don't get ur point

ABeautifulOne said:

Quel surprise.

crack baby



I'm going to sleep

ABeautifulOne said:

It must be hard being one You have my sympathy.

CinisterCee said:

yeah i'll give you that

Yes, it is. Check out the video at www.mjjsource.com

Mj is not stupid not to know that he wouldn´t be where he is if people around him didn´t "help" him. He knows that he´s not a god who can do EVERYTHING by himself.


MTV Interview with Bill Bellamy

July 28, 1995
Bellamy : When we look at your videos, they are every innovative, they are always on the cutting edge. How much are you involved in the creative process of the videos?

MJ: Very much. 'Cause, I pretty much come up with the concepts and I like to collaborated on - this one [Scream], I didn't come up with the concept, it was done by the directory - but I pretty much like to conceptualize and choreograph, but it's always a collaborative effort on everything.

He has his vision and he hires the best people who can help him to give that vision a life. But without that vision, there would be NOTHING! I saw a great interview with Stan Winston who worked on MJ´s Ghost and he said that MJ kept coming to him everyday with new ideas. When asked to list one, he said that for example dancing on the roof was MJ´s idea.

"Everything on that stage come from his mind - the lighting, the dance,, everything. Heś an amazing little guy..."
Quincy Jones

I think that MJ is given less credit than he deserves. A lot of people see him as puppet (not talking about all of you guys over here). Hardly anybody thinks of him as someone with universal talent - like Chaplin and others. So of course he needs others to collaborate with him, but I wouldn´t say that he doesn´t deserve a credit for what he has accomplished.

VoicesCarry said:

I know damn well u ain't talking about being one u were one of the first crack babies and your scared of telling your past

ABeautifulOne said:

why is it that you always make me think of or feel like this picture when i read your posts?

GrayKing said:

For me it's