You can't dethrone Mike

Who cares? It's a shit title anyway.

VoicesCarry said:

Don't haul my ass into this.

WildStyle said:

Damn! The boy's done got his smile back!!

Cloudbuster said:

woa yah... he does....


that can't be a recent picture

I remember when his upper lip didn't move lol

Luv4oneanotha said:

Is that what it was? I thought he just didn't have anymore teeth at the top.

ok yall remember that lie that he had his lips tattoed on his mouth?that sounded so damn ass backwards

Usher has sold like five copies of his records outside US. I mean I could go ask my Mom who Usher is and she'd have no idea.

u know this because.....xplain

Well Ushers Not really world Renowned


i mean sure he can sell a cool 2 3 million in the states
but hell everybody and their mama is doing that


hell if i descided to sell out and join a major label i could go double platinum

But im no sell out, it aint about the fame for me
or showing my Rock hard abs

Arista is a label that really can't market outside the country
because RnB is only oh so popular in other countries
if you could call that RnB

MJ was marketed by Sony, who when they want to can promote you to the fullest
Plus it helps that you where in a world famous pop group.

Why Was Michael Jackson So popular in the first place?
because behind him was one of the greatest men, Quincy Jones, Rod temperton etc
Jackson was a masterful Singer Dancer , over all nice guy, you just couldn't not like him?

Usher, mixing in with the Likes of P-Diddy, L.A. Reid and Lil jon will never share fame, like mj unless he changes up a bit
He needs to market himself better
Get some Rockstar credentials, so rockers will listen to him,

I know Dudes that Love Black Sabbath and Motley Crue that Listen to MJ
why cause mike was a Rocker!, hell thats what appealed me to him
Him getting nitty gritty singing dirty diana, tearing his shirt up
spinning, that was cool
Mj had some real style

Usher only manages to do dated Pop Lock moves and glide routines, nearly every RnB star can do that shizzle

If usher wants to be the next King Of Pop
he has alot of work to do

Justin didn't wan't to walk in MJ's Shoes for that specific reason

"How can you follow up a living legend"

Your telling me Confessions can match with thriller?

AbeautifulOne you must be outside your mind

sure you can say Confessions is a good album FOR WHAT IT IS!

Thriller had something for everybody!

it had Pop, Rnb, Rock & Roll you name it

Confessions. has some nice beats
but your going to rule beats over
Actual Arrangements?
none the less the Arrangements made by the master Quincy Jones
WTF ARE YOU SMOKING!

Song Writing, Arrangement, Singing, Dancing, Marketing
This How MJ came to be
Its Arguable that MJ is probably the hugest superstar in our time

Ushers got alot to work to do...
he better get moving

he's more like Bobby Brown,
and thats enough said...
[Edited 12/22/04 11:13am]

Luv4oneanotha said:

Luv4oneanotha, you have rock hard abs?

Wanna sing over my rap beats?

CinisterCee said:

I Find it Hilarious thats the only sentence that appealed to you lol

Luv4oneanotha said:

that's where you went wrong

LightOfArt said:

your telling me, that Jackson woul have enjoyed the same success
if Quincy Jones wasn't backing him?
Light if you think that you are truly dillusional

Luv4oneanotha said:

I didn't buy his records because of Quincy Jones. Mike Co-produced too. To suggest Q is responsible for Mike's success is both laughable and irritating beyond belief. Especially if the original demo's of Billie Jean, Don't Stop and Workin' are taken into account, and if you do a bit of delving and even listen to Q himself talking about Michael, what Q added beyond Michael (and his ego) being really pleased about getting a legendary producers name on his records really is debatable.

Michaels' talent was already there. Checkout 'Destiny'.

as for Usher, he's got nice abs, i'm not jealous of anything else of his though. What has he got? nothing. his music is ordinary, he has an ordinary voice and sells loads of records cause he's marketed well, and shows his abs a lot and teenage girls love that crap. Ho hum

anyway he's peaked. thank fuck.
[Edited 12/22/04 12:44pm]

Marrk said:

No one said Quincy was responsible for Michael's talent.

sextonseven said:

Fine. Yes, i think he would have the same level of success.

'Dangerous' rightly outsold 'Bad' (Q's last effort with Michael and IMO and a lot of other fans too, his worst solo album)
[Edited 12/22/04 13:09pm]

Marrk said:

What are the sales figures for 'Bad' and 'Dangerous'?

Maybe I'm in the minority, but I liked 'Bad' a lot more than 'Dangerous'. I can't believe fans think 'Invincible' is better than 'Bad'.

sextonseven said:

same here
Dangerous to me sucked
then again i wasn't really into the NEw JACK Swing movement

Bad was right on the money, and possibly one of the best
But MJ would not have learned what he had learned without Quincy

IMO MJ owes Quincy his livelihood
Cause TALENT means nothing to Raw Production
thas why the producer's make more money hehe

your just a voice on a record
the producer makes everything work
thus if you have a Bad producer
your album will suck, no matter how much talent you have

Oh and Bad sold 26 millions

dangerous sold 21 thus

BAd outsold dangerous

sextonseven said:

Dangerous around 28mill, Bad 25mill. I think. though those figures are a few years old and i don't really keep track. It's close, but not really important, i'm sure Usher can do that many sit-ups in a day!

Luv4oneanotha said:

Wrong. and i'm wrong in my post too!

History - 15m
Dangerous - 27m
Bad - 25m
Thriller 52m!
OTW - 15m

source - page 610 of 'The Magic and the Madness'.

Marrk said:

how is that even possible in 2000 Dangerous was certified 7x Platinum?
and Bad is about to 9x Platnium
wher are you getting your info?

Marrk said:

your source is dated when?

Luv4oneanotha said:

Oh were you just referring to USA sales only?

if you were -

I was talking Worldwide.

Luv4oneanotha said:

2003.

U.S. Sales is Dangerous 7 million
and Bad 8 million

But your generally right

dangerous 27 mil

and bad 26.5, just checked soundscan


BUT i might add BAd
debuted at # 1 on R&B chart and remained # 1 for 18 weeks
debuted at # 1 on Pop album chart and remained # 1 for 6 weeks
remained 38 weeks in top 5 of the Pop album chart
remained on the Pop album chart for 87 weeks
and spawned 6# billboard hott singles

why is BAd deemed the second best selling MJ album of all time then?

not that it matters
i still say bad is the better album lol
[Edited 12/22/04 13:46pm]

CinisterCee said:

Ren & Stimpy

Why?