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jamaulredmond said: All of US killed R&B.
I was watching WATTSSTAX last night and I was amazed at how old, and how regular the musicians looked. Plus every last one of them played instruments. Think about it. To be an SOul star in the 70's you needed "TALENT". People didn't care about looks, age, size, hair color, whatever. Just the music. Now to be a star you have to be under 25, a sex symbol, six pack abs, and be able to dance. You basically have to be a model that can sing ,, a litlle. Sure there are exceptions but this is true in general. Music has gotten worse in every generation. My mother's music generation included stars like James Brown Aretha Franklin AL Green Curtis Mayfield The Staple Singers Earth Wind and Fire The Commodores Stevie Wonder Issac Hayes Barry White Mine included Prince Micheal Jackson Madonna Janet Jackson George Micheals U2 Sting 90's to now. Bobby Brown R-kelly Mary J. Blige USher Alicia Keys Well you get my point,,, Compare the newest with the oldest and they couldn't be anymore different, from music style, to looks, to the age when they were popular.. I think you just hit on something that you might not have realized. There are less or no real stars in music today. Usher and Alicia Keys and sometimes R. Kelly and Mary J. Bliege (even though their last albums probably could have done better, but their still here for the long haul). Take a listen to the radio. Lil' Jon? Jojo? Mario? They might not be one hit wonders, but you think they'll be around in five years? | |
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GrayKing said: Marvin Gaye's father killed r&b
I think if Marvin Gaye would have lived up until now, he would still be recording great stuff and the music scene might look a whole lot different. I'm sure he wouldn't have kept up the success (maybe a hit here and there) and maybe he would have done some embarassing stuff (flirting with new wave and/or dance pop and/or AOR rock) but if he would have lived, we would have gotten some good memories. Very tragic death for a very great man. | |
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vainandy said: R&B was first. Funk came along, R&B still existed. Disco came and died, R&B and funk still existed. Whitney Houston came along and got everyone to singing damned ballads, ballads, and more damned ballads, funk died and only R&B existed. 
House and hip hop came above ground, R&B still existed. House became too repetitive and went back underground, hip hop started invading R&B, real R&B became an endangered species. [Edited 12/21/04 20:09pm] R&B and Funk may still exist, but it sure isn't the same..... I'm all for change, but some things need to be left alone.... Recycling old funk & r&b doesn't count..... [Edited 12/21/04 21:20pm] | |
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VinnyM27 said: GrayKing said: Marvin Gaye's father killed r&b
I think if Marvin Gaye would have lived up until now, he would still be recording great stuff and the music scene might look a whole lot different. I'm sure he wouldn't have kept up the success (maybe a hit here and there) and maybe he would have done some embarassing stuff (flirting with new wave and/or dance pop and/or AOR rock) but if he would have lived, we would have gotten some good memories. Very tragic death for a very great man. Like all of his albums (From 'What's Going On' to 'Midnight Love') I think Marvin would've taken his time & gave out a masterpiece effort on all of his albums, if he was alive today..... I'm not talking commercial stuff..... [Edited 1/3/05 20:44pm] | |
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CynicKill said: It's an easy answer. Radio killed R&B.
i agree...i assume u mean *black* radio...which is pathetic now... -wpc  | |
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funkpill said: vainandy said: R&B was first. Funk came along, R&B still existed. Disco came and died, R&B and funk still existed. Whitney Houston came along and got everyone to singing damned ballads, ballads, and more damned ballads, funk died and only R&B existed.
House and hip hop came above ground, R&B still existed. House became too repetitive and went back underground, hip hop started invading R&B, real R&B became an endangered species. [Edited 12/21/04 20:09pm] R&B and Funk may still exist, but it sure isn't the same..... I'm all for change, but some things need to be left alone.... Recycling old funk & r&b doesn't count..... [Edited 12/21/04 21:20pm]  You are misunderstanding me. I am saying that funk and R&B doesn't exist anymore. Funk has been gone for years and the R&B that still exists is all hip hop polluted. I agree with you, I was responding to your remark that disco killed funk and I was showing you that funk was around before disco and it still remained after disco died.Andy is a four letter word. | |
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Funk was still around in the Late 80's, with R&B still a powerhouse. But something R&B changed around that time. New Jack Swing came along and changed thing. Now, I love New Jack Swing music, but that may have killed real R&B music. PRINCE: Always and Forever
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Mazerati said: a little while ago i caught an infomercial that was selling the greatest soul ballads from the 70's,80's, and early 90's in all there were 120 songs and EVERY fucking song was great! my question is what the hell happened to r&b music like that.. what killed it? was it the popularity of rap? i mean i know what killed rock n roll and that was Nirvana
 but as far as r&b goes i wonder happened to make it as bad as it is todayAshanti killed it | |
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LittleBLUECorvette said: Funk was still around in the Late 80's, with R&B still a powerhouse. But something R&B changed around that time. New Jack Swing came along and changed thing. Now, I love New Jack Swing music, but that may have killed real R&B music.
Exactly.New Jack Swing is basically R&B with hip-hop elements.When it became popular in the late 80s,that was the beginning of the end for real R&B. | |
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As much as I love Teddy Riley, his whole new jack swing helped to water down both rap (Kool Moe Dee) and r&b (Wreckx N Effect) into a mix of each other. | |
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Categorisation and commercialisation killed it.
There seems an obssession with categorisation, particularly in the USA. All the music genres are still around, but names have been hijacked to boost profits. R&B ,or at least, what kids are told is R&B, simply isn't. Look at garage. It came about from jamming in garages. Yet the music industry now uses the term to refer to hardcore dance music. Just look at the content of most of the compilation albums currently out. They can't make there minds up. "The Best RnB" track feature Hip hop, dance, soul etc. Then look at the best "New Jack Swing" album. It too contains hip hop, dance, soul etc. The same goes for the best pop albums, the best Hip hop albums. they are all crossing over. Its like the fast food menus. they all claim to be different, but they all serve burgers and fries. . | |
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VinnyM27 said: jamaulredmond said: All of US killed R&B.
I was watching WATTSSTAX last night and I was amazed at how old, and how regular the musicians looked. Plus every last one of them played instruments. Think about it. To be an SOul star in the 70's you needed "TALENT". People didn't care about looks, age, size, hair color, whatever. Just the music. Now to be a star you have to be under 25, a sex symbol, six pack abs, and be able to dance. You basically have to be a model that can sing ,, a litlle. Sure there are exceptions but this is true in general. Music has gotten worse in every generation. My mother's music generation included stars like James Brown Aretha Franklin AL Green Curtis Mayfield The Staple Singers Earth Wind and Fire The Commodores Stevie Wonder Issac Hayes Barry White Mine included Prince Micheal Jackson Madonna Janet Jackson George Micheals U2 Sting 90's to now. Bobby Brown R-kelly Mary J. Blige USher Alicia Keys Well you get my point,,, Compare the newest with the oldest and they couldn't be anymore different, from music style, to looks, to the age when they were popular.. I think you just hit on something that you might not have realized. There are less or no real stars in music today. Usher and Alicia Keys and sometimes R. Kelly and Mary J. Bliege (even though their last albums probably could have done better, but their still here for the long haul). Take a listen to the radio. Lil' Jon? Jojo? Mario? They might not be one hit wonders, but you think they'll be around in five years? That's why I listed those names,, like it or not those are our r&b stars right now and in comparison they pale to the stars of the 70's. I like Mary J. Blige and Alicia, but Aretha and Roberta Flack,Mavis Staples,Gladys Knight, ,,man I can go on. those artist were way better. But the standards have change. Mavis and Aretha didn't have the pressure of having to "Look like a model", or dance like a cheerleader. They Could focus on the Music. It's an horrible cycle that's only going to get worse. | |
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jamaulredmond said: VinnyM27 said: I think you just hit on something that you might not have realized. There are less or no real stars in music today. Usher and Alicia Keys and sometimes R. Kelly and Mary J. Bliege (even though their last albums probably could have done better, but their still here for the long haul). Take a listen to the radio. Lil' Jon? Jojo? Mario? They might not be one hit wonders, but you think they'll be around in five years? That's why I listed those names,, like it or not those are our r&b stars right now and in comparison they pale to the stars of the 70's. I like Mary J. Blige and Alicia, but Aretha and Roberta Flack,Mavis Staples,Gladys Knight, ,,man I can go on. those artist were way better. But the standards have change. Mavis and Aretha didn't have the pressure of having to "Look like a model", or dance like a cheerleader. They Could focus on the Music. It's an horrible cycle that's only going to get worse. Agree..... | |
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vainandy said: You are misunderstanding me. I am saying that funk and R&B doesn't exist anymore. Funk has been gone for years and the R&B that still exists is all hip hop polluted. I agree with you, I was responding to your remark that disco killed funk and I was showing you that funk was around before disco and it still remained after disco died.Okay....My Bad.... | |
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VinnyM27 said: GrayKing said: Marvin Gaye's father killed r&b
I think if Marvin Gaye would have lived up until now, he would still be recording great stuff and the music scene might look a whole lot different. I'm sure he wouldn't have kept up the success (maybe a hit here and there) and maybe he would have done some embarassing stuff (flirting with new wave and/or dance pop and/or AOR rock) but if he would have lived, we would have gotten some good memories. Very tragic death for a very great man. Do you find something embarrassing about New Wave? 
Anyways, if Marvin would've lived, things wouldn't be any different. He would become an oldie act just like Smokey or Stevie. NEW WAVE FOREVER: SLAVE TO THE WAVE FROM THE CRADLE TO THE GRAVE. | |
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NWF said: VinnyM27 said:
I think if Marvin Gaye would have lived up until now, he would still be recording great stuff and the music scene might look a whole lot different. I'm sure he wouldn't have kept up the success (maybe a hit here and there) and maybe he would have done some embarassing stuff (flirting with new wave and/or dance pop and/or AOR rock) but if he would have lived, we would have gotten some good memories. Very tragic death for a very great man. Anyways, if Marvin would've lived, things wouldn't be any different. He would become an oldie act just like Smokey or Stevie. Maybe if Marvin were alive today, he'd be Mr. Biggs brother in all those R.Kelly videos. If Ron Isley could do it, so could Marvin. | |
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Mazerati said: a little while ago i caught an infomercial that was selling the greatest soul ballads from the 70's,80's, and early 90's in all there were 120 songs and EVERY fucking song was great! my question is what the hell happened to r&b music like that.. what killed it? was it the popularity of rap? i mean i know what killed rock n roll and that was Nirvana
but as far as r&b goes i wonder happened to make it as bad as it is todayi don't think rap killed r&b the same way i don't think nirvana killed rock n roll. every few years music goes thru a change of some sort, wether a new artist comes in and raises the bar, or there's a pause between the current and next phase... but what i think really happened to r&b, is that artists and producers realized there's a lot of money in microwavedassemblylinedplastic music and not a lot in experimentaion... | |
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sextonseven said: NWF said: Anyways, if Marvin would've lived, things wouldn't be any different. He would become an oldie act just like Smokey or Stevie. Maybe if Marvin were alive today, he'd be Mr. Biggs brother in all those R.Kelly videos. If Ron Isley could do it, so could Marvin.
Sadly,you may be right. | |
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diamondpearl1 said
i don't think rap killed r&b the same way i don't think nirvana killed rock n roll. every few years music goes thru a change of some sort, wether a new artist comes in and raises the bar, or there's a pause between the current and next phase... Well, when is the next change coming because it hasn't changed in 15 years? Andy is a four letter word. | |
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All of your points are valid. However, I just wanted to mention that most major cities have stations that play old school and current R&B muisc. There is some great R&B/soul music out here. Who gives a fuck if it's on MTV or BET? They have to cater to the youth anyway because they are the ones buying the records and watching the same fucking video 4 times a day.
The following stations play old school classic R&B and the new school stuff like Anthony Hamilton, Remy Shand, Glen Lewis, Amel Laurriex, Prince (his new and old stuff), etc. Atlanta: 104.1 Washington DC: 96.3, 102.3 New York - 98.7 Detroit - 92.3 Orlando - 94.5 San Francisco: 102.9 Just to name a few.. | |
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Contemporary music from this genre lacks both 'rhythm' and 'blues'. Right there u got a problem. You'll never know a girl called Nikki and you'll never find Erotic City | |
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