Axchi696 said:

No,the link 2 Frank Sinatra was much earlier in Bowie's career
when he tried 2 make it as a songwriter in the late 60's.
He was 2 write an english lyric 4 Frank Sinatra.Originaly an italian song.
Bowie's version was called "Even a fool learns to love".
Bowie later heard Frank's version but with another lyric
& it was called "My way".
The english lyric was written by Paul Anka.
The song imediatly hit the charts.
Bowie felt betrayed,feeling that they had stolen his song
He was pissed,he said "I'll show you...." & with a determination
2 write a no1 hit he wrote "Life on Mars".
/peace Manki
[Edited 12/15/04 13:41pm]

JANFAN4L said:

Good.. I can't really imagine Janet with that kind of material on Control. Only "He Doesn't Know I'm Alive" comes close to that kind of 80s fluff.



I wonder why the Neptunes couldn't get material to the Jacksons around then. That's an awesome track.



I think the beat is a little to sparse to sing over. Kinda disposable. But I would have loved to hear Neptunes on All For You.



Well no kidding -- Nelly is wack.

ehuffnsd said:

Not fully. Aguilera co-wrote the version of "Miss Independent" you hear by Kelly Clarkson. When the song was originally presented to Aguilera, it was considered for the Stripped album, she included her input in the studio on the track, but when she canned it, the track was given to Kelly. Here's what Kelly had to say:

'American Idol' champ Kelly Clarkson tells Launch.com that she didn't even know Christina Aguilera had contributed to her hit song 'Miss Independent' until the album was almost finished. "To be perfectly honest with you, I have no idea what she wrote on that song," Clarkson said. "I found out she wrote on some part of it, like, after it was even on my CD. I kinda asked before, I said, 'You know, this kinda has her spirit to it, you know, this sounds a little like Christina Aguilera,' and everybody was just like, 'Yeah, yeah.' But I didn't actually know she wrote it until afterwards, so it was a surprise but, I mean, a good surprise. She's a phenomenal writer, [a] phenomenal performer."

Madonna intended to have a male sing the songtrack song for At Close Range called "Live to Tell." But after listening to the Demo all the way through Madonna deicded to take the track herself. The demo vocal recording is the version on the released album and if you listen closly you can hear the pages turning.

ehuffnsd said:

Love this kind of info.

CinisterCee said:

Although unrelated to this thread, if you like this kind of info, you'll be happy to hear that on at least one song on Springsteen's Nebraska, you can hear the chair he's sitting in creaking.

well, Donna Summer wrote "Dim all the lights" originally for Rod Steward, but then she decided to record it herself...
She explains this in her Encole Live Album-Video and even sings the first part of the song ala Steward.

tritoncin said:

I remember her saying that, and I can totally hear that it was meant for him. Glad she kept it for herself, because it's one of her best singles. And the way she holds that note? Amazing!

Once I say that Davideye created this thread, I knew he'd mention Donna Summer was supposed to do "What's Love Got To Do With It?" (and of course, "It's Raining Men"). It was also rumored or hinted at that she was supposed to sing a little known song proceeded by (and possibly written by) long time collaborator Girgio Mordoer (but at the time they weren't working together) called "Take My Breath Away", which Berlin did and made a smash. She's turned down some good ones, and during years when she really could have used them. In 1984, the year “What’s Love...” was a smash, she released her first official flop, "Cats Without Claws", with only one real hit, a cover of "There Goes My Baby", which just missed the Top 20.

DavidEye said:

I could hear that ("Amazing" sounds a bit like "Smooth"). It probably would have been better. However, by 1999, would the public really have bought a line like "my little senorita"?

VinnyM27 said:

Yeah, but it doesn't necessarily mean they woulda been hits with her. Donna Summer is one of my long-time, absolute favorites, but her big problem is that she doesn't venture far beyond her own "sound." What's Love Got to Do With It doesn't sound like her kinda song, so it's not too unbelievable that she passed on it. I think it likely wouldn't have been a hit with her, because at that time she was still fighting being labeled "the queen of disco" when it was unfashionable to be called that. It woulda seemed like an attempt to change up her style. Plus, wasn't it around the same time as that crazy backlash?

JANFAN4L said:

So it was just the Ja Rule verison of "I'm Real" (the one which was the big hit). That's what I thought. So it wasn't the whole song, was it? It was just the idea for the track (is it possible that J, Lo or anyone else is credited with writing on the track)? Still sucks for Mariah. I remeber after 9/11, MTV would just show the same block of videos over and over again. The two I remember seeing the most (I was watching way too much news and it was driving me nuts, so I had to rot my brain a little) where "I'm Real" and surpringly, Macy Gray's "Sweet Baby", which I don't think was a hit (the album certaintly wasn't).

chickengrease said:

VinnyM27 said:

i think you can sing a song and tell a story... just because someone is gay and is sexually attracted to a man doesn't men that sing a song about a pretty woman

JANFAN4L said:

I thought Christina wrote (or co-wrote) "Miss Indepdent". Either way, she was probably originally supposed to sing it.

While it is hard to predict for sure what would have been a hit if a different singer would have done it, I have to still say, Janet screwed up a little. Janet doing "I'm A Slave 4 U"? Holy shit! That's the song that made me a Britney fan! If it wasn't for that and songs like that, I wouldn't think much of Britney. Rejecting "Tilt Ya Head Back" was good, even if the song is a hit or becomes one (which I don't think will happen, shockingly).

papaa said:

I think they both did (probably Paul S wrote the music, Paul J the lyrics).

Flashdance "What a feeling" was written for Donna Summer. It was a huge hit for Irene Cara

"Hoochies need love too" featured on the Above The Rim soundtrack by Paradise from the old Death Row Camp...was offered to MC Lyte and Yo-Yo as a duo...but they were apauled by the suggestion and passed it on...heard Lyte mention that before.

RipHer2Shreds said:

I think the backlash was deserved after saying AIDS was God's punishment for gays, when her biggest supporters were gay and still are. Glad we all could get past it though.

VinnyM27 said:

I already explained this in my response to ehuffnsd. Christina didn't concoct the song by herself. Some songwriters presented to her for inclusion on the "Stripped" album. She recorded it at the time during the Stripped sessions, added a line or two in the lyrics, but later scrapped it. Someone then gave it to Kelly to sing. Read the explanation a few posts above.

As for "I'm A Slave 4 U" I immediately took a liking to that beat and that groove. It's an undeniably infectious song. Janet fans can't help but like that track. I can totally hear Janet's energy and spirit in the track's vibe. I still like it and I consider it to be Britney's "blackest song to date."

RipHer2Shreds said:

I love Donna and think that she does venture beyond her sound (she's done rock, ballads, pop, country, etc.) but something like "What's Love Got To Do With It" wouldn't have worked for her. If anything, Michael Ormartian (or whatever his name is) would have kind of ruined it. His production was good on a lot of songs ("She Works Hard...", "I'm Free", "Unconditional Love" in patircular) but somewhat limited and sounds very dated on a lot of tracks.

ehuffnsd said:

Well, I still have problems believing that she actually said that. I won't get completely into it, but it just doesn't make sense. She'd always been supportive of her gay fans and openly acknowledged them even on her Live and More album. She also sued the publication that quoting her as saying that, and it settled out of court. Personally, I don't believe the story, but there are a lot of people who do.

JANFAN4L said:

I just read what you posted on Christina and "Miss I". I'm implusive and love to post!

"I'm A Slave" is definately her "blackest song" and probably her best (there are others I like more, like "Overprotected" and "Breathe On Me"). I think it would have worked very well for Janet but I think it was a good thing that Britney did something with it. Too be honest, I can't imagine Janet doing it now. It's Britney's song.

ehuffnsd said:

But would the public buy it? I don't know but I didn't like the "Smooth" that was a hit, so what do I know.

RipHer2Shreds said:

i dunno i was stil a wee babe at the time so i don't know.. i've just heard the stories... that and the whole Coors thing i don't understand... but most everyone i know loves Ms Summer... and a friend of mine threaten to take away someone's gay card for not knowing who Donna is

RipHer2Shreds said:

I've sort of heard her (or somebody else) defend on her on this. They basically said that when Donna said the "Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve" comment was she introduced "Woman" (proably her worst song) and if anything, said the comment in a way that had nothing to do with gay men and was saying "It's not just a man's world". Get it? It's a little bit of a strech but from what I've heard, Donna isn't very well spoken (I've read some fans say she isn't the brightest blub). I think that it's true and there was no harm intended. After all, her music in the eighties had a relgious influence but it's not like she gave up on dance.

However, there are some things to keep in mind. Aknowledging her gay fans on "Live and More" is great, but many people think that these comments started coming out (pardon the pun) in the late to mid-eigthies, when Donna said she was born-again. While she still performed a lot of her hits, she'd tone them down and made them somewhat assexual and even stopped doing "Love To Love You, Baby". That is when the controversy and the comments, true or false, intentional or mistakes, started surfacing. The worst, of course, was something like that Aids was God's will, the comment she sued a magazine over. It's such a huge thing, and there are so many facts and arguements, that it sort of desreves it's own thread but then again, why gives these rumours that much attention.

If Donna truly felt that way, something tells me she would really give up her career, do a different kind of music and preach it. The fact that she hasn't shows she doesn't. If anything, her music is getting more and more gay friendly even more than it was in her hey day.

Clubkid said:

From what I remeber them saying about "Heart" was that they wanted to offer it to Madonna, but chickened out or felt they should do it. I don't think she ever say it, from what I remember reading.

They also wrote a track on "Very", "One In A Million" with the full intention of writing it for Robbie Williams boyband. In their liner notes for the specail edition of the disc, they even talk about how the song would be sung them.

"Slave 4 U" is Britney's "blackest song", ha? What's her "whitest"?

VinnyM27 said:

Well, sure, we can say "it's Britney's song" now 'cause it's been encoded into our pop DNA for the past 3 years. When I listen to it, I bypass the fact that it's Britney and zoom straight to the Neptunes. But, almost any major female pop artist could've sang that and made it their own -- Janet included.

Ooh, I love "Breathe On Me" and "Outrageous" jams, too, but I'll spare this from further transforming into a Britney discussion.

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[Edited 12/15/04 15:47pm]

JANFAN4L said:

It's kinda funny cause i think Breathe On Me, which was written by Steve Anderson long time Kylie cohort, was written for Miss Minogue... so that would be three great songs that Kylie passed on if it's true