The Cure were never PUNK! Robert Smith and Iggy Pop? NO WAY!

OK, well listen to 3 Imaginary Boys and THEN tell me that at some point they werent a punk band.

he's goofing on me because i accidentally called EMF "EWF". i woulda goofed on me too.

But moreover "Goth" is a subculture and yes, The Cure, Bauhaus, Siouxsie - even New Order - are goth bands. They might not even like that label themselves but resistance is futile I've found. Hell, I'd like to kick out every single PVC-glad "gothik cyber fr33k" out of the industrial clubs were I allowed to, but they are there - they are consuming our records, they bring in the money - so fine, assimilate yourselves even into our realms you bastard pestilences. They are always transforming their styles to fit to make their own interpretation of it anyway.

Really all it takes is the "goth connection" and you are a goth band. Though if you ask any "tr000" modern day goths if The Cure, Siouxsie and Bauhaus are goth they'd prolly say "No, those bands are not goth". Bastards!

10.15 Saturday Night and Jimi Hendrix Foxy Lady are not punk songs Boys Dont Cry is not a punk song Killing An Arab, the Cures first single, is not a punk song. Robert Smith said "I never felt part of the London orthodoxy. If you listen to a Sex Pistols record now its not that fast. We didnt throw away are old psychedlic records because of punk."

Bands with lots of goth appeal like the ones you mentioned aren't the same as goth bands. By your logic Johnny Cash should turn in his country card and declare himself a goth (if he were still alive that is).

Yes they are Punk. They came out in that era, or rather the Post-Punk era. But them songs have the same intensity and drive as a typical Punk song. Plus, Punk as a genre was the alternative music then, and the Cure fit right in, so yes, they were Punk.

i remember when i was a teenager, my mom worked as a personnel director at a juvenille detention facility and had to take part in some "gang awareness" courses...one of the hand-outs was "signs that your child may be in a gang" - they had a list of music, and i swear, siouxie and the banshees, the cure, ministry and skinny puppy were on the list. now, show me a gang member who listens to "tinderbox" or "japanese whispers", and i'll buy myself an ice grill with the words "thug passion" cut into it and wear the damn thing to work.

i remember when i was a teenager, my mom worked as a personnel director at a juvenille detention facility and had to take part in some "gang awareness" courses...one of the hand-outs was "signs that your child may be in a gang" - they had a list of music, and i swear, siouxie and the banshees, the cure, ministry and skinny puppy were on the list. now, show me a gang member who listens to "tinderbox" or "japanese whispers", and i'll buy myself an ice grill with the words "thug passion" cut into it and wear the damn thing to work.

That's the second time on this thread that you've misspelled Siouxsie.

Maybe she should cover "Sex Shooter" and spell out her name in place of Apollonia's.

bI don't think you get it. "Friday I'm In Love' is one of the least goth songs they've done. There's nothing goth about it.

Joy Division might be slightly goth. New Order is not.

post-punk=new wave

post-punk=new wave

Yes they are Punk. They came out in that era, or rather the Post-Punk era. But them songs have the same intensity and drive as a typical Punk song. Plus, Punk as a genre was the alternative music then, and the Cure fit right in, so yes, they were Punk.

The Cure are not New Wave: thats Devo!

The Cure are not New Wave: thats Devo!

YES, The Cure were New Wave. Take it from the expert.

Vindication is mine ....Thank you NWF, let this end this stupid goth-discussion!

YES, The Cure were New Wave. Take it from the expert.

The Cure are Glam Rock=Goth.