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PrintableGangstaFam said: Anxiety said: i see your point and i'm not saying it's invalid. i just think that bauhaus was a whole lot more than a goth band. it's always been frustrating to me to see them dismissed as just being that. i'm not saying that's what you're doing - it's just a defensive trigger on my end, i guess.
I have the same thing with The Cure to an extent. Maybe there's part of us that's slightly ashamed to like something "goth" after a certain age. That label carries some stigma with it. I think a lot of good music gets overshadowed by the images around it. And I think with goth especially, the look keeps out as many people as it draws in. In my mind, when I hear The Cure and goth in the same sentence, I automatically think "but they're too GOOD to be goth". i think that about the cure, too - they've recorded too many good pop songs and love songs and music in all kinds of moods, and it's just way too dismissive and lazy to just label them "goth". and with bauhaus, i think there were so many influences going on, it's just plain wrong to just label them as "goth". though i'll admit, i can see where the label came from, and it could be argued the bands (or at least their labels) were complicit in the pidgeonholing. | |
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Anxiety said: i think that about the cure, too - they've recorded too many good pop songs and love songs and music in all kinds of moods, and it's just way too dismissive and lazy to just label them "goth". and with bauhaus, i think there were so many influences going on, it's just plain wrong to just label them as "goth". though i'll admit, i can see where the label came from, and it could be argued the bands (or at least their labels) were complicit in the pidgeonholing.
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Who's The Cure? 
Must be one of them old 60's bands.  NEW WAVE FOREVER: SLAVE TO THE WAVE FROM THE CRADLE TO THE GRAVE. | |
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By the way, has anyone seen "The Cure in Orange" live video? I would like a copy of that.
Oh, as well as the Trilogy DVD.  NEW WAVE FOREVER: SLAVE TO THE WAVE FROM THE CRADLE TO THE GRAVE. | |
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Anxiety said: sextonseven said: Bauhaus created a lot more gothic rock than just Bela Lugosi's Dead. And 'dance album' and 'goth album' can absolutely describe the same record--like 'Floodland'. You can't get more goth and more dancey than that. i see your point and i'm not saying it's invalid. i just think that bauhaus was a whole lot more than a goth band. it's always been frustrating to me to see them dismissed as just being that. i'm not saying that's what you're doing - it's just a defensive trigger on my end, i guess. See, now if goth only included the really good early bands like Bauhaus, Sisters, Nephilim, Christian Death, Xmal, Virgin Prunes, etc., then no one would be ashamed to be goth. Unfortunately its the legion of watered down clones that followed who all look like vampires that give goth a bad name. | |
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NWF said: By the way, has anyone seen "The Cure in Orange" live video? I would like a copy of that.
Oh, as well as the Trilogy DVD. Yes, it's fucking awesome. And the Trilogy is even better. | |
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GangstaFam said: Anxiety said: i see your point and i'm not saying it's invalid. i just think that bauhaus was a whole lot more than a goth band. it's always been frustrating to me to see them dismissed as just being that. i'm not saying that's what you're doing - it's just a defensive trigger on my end, i guess.
I have the same thing with The Cure to an extent. Maybe there's part of us that's slightly ashamed to like something "goth" after a certain age. That label carries some stigma with it. I think a lot of good music gets overshadowed by the images around it. And I think with goth especially, the look keeps out as many people as it draws in. In my mind, when I hear The Cure and goth in the same sentence, I automatically think "but they're too GOOD to be goth". The Cure to me are a postpunk band that just happen to have a huge goth following because of a few dark albums that they released. Anyone who considers them goth isn't really familiar with their music, goth or both. | |
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sextonseven said: GangstaFam said: I have the same thing with The Cure to an extent. Maybe there's part of us that's slightly ashamed to like something "goth" after a certain age. That label carries some stigma with it. I think a lot of good music gets overshadowed by the images around it. And I think with goth especially, the look keeps out as many people as it draws in. In my mind, when I hear The Cure and goth in the same sentence, I automatically think "but they're too GOOD to be goth". The Cure to me are a postpunk band that just happen to have a huge goth following because of a few dark albums that they released. Anyone who considers them goth isn't really familiar with their music, goth or both. They're just Alternative Rock to me. They've done so much to just be labelled a Goth band. That would be like calling Prince an R&B artist. The misunderstod do not realize that He's done EVERYTHING!!! Except for Cajun. 
By the way, I think The Smiths are better, but that's just me. NEW WAVE FOREVER: SLAVE TO THE WAVE FROM THE CRADLE TO THE GRAVE. | |
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sextonseven said: Anxiety said: i see your point and i'm not saying it's invalid. i just think that bauhaus was a whole lot more than a goth band. it's always been frustrating to me to see them dismissed as just being that. i'm not saying that's what you're doing - it's just a defensive trigger on my end, i guess. See, now if goth only included the really good early bands like Bauhaus, Sisters, Nephilim, Christian Death, Xmal, Virgin Prunes, etc., then no one would be ashamed to be goth. Unfortunately its the legion of watered down clones that followed who all look like vampires that give goth a bad name. That happens to every subgenre. Look at punk in the '70s and '80s vs. now. The Ramones and Minor Threat wore really basic clothing, but everyone in a "punk" band now dresses exactly like Duane Peters and Lars Frederiksen. Point being, the music and look gets boiled down to a formula and uniform eventuall. Randomness: I just got Siouxsie and the Banshees' "Tinderbox" album yesterday and fucking love it. Is that goth? I got into Joy Divison on a goth exploration trip but found out that they weren't goth at all. Fields of the Nephilim is really cool, but at times, Carl McCoy tries way too hard to sound spooky-ooky. I'm comfortable lumping all these bands with the Cure and Depeche Mode in terms of '80s production and mood. Forget labels. When the sunlight strikes raindrops in the air, they act as a prism and form a rainbow. The rainbow is a division of white light into many beautiful colors. Regardless of the day, I'm glad you were born. | |
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Thunderbird said: Randomness: I just got Siouxsie and the Banshees' "Tinderbox" album yesterday and fucking love it. Is that goth? I got into Joy Divison on a goth exploration trip but found out that they weren't goth at all. Fields of the Nephilim is really cool, but at times, Carl McCoy tries way too hard to sound spooky-ooky. I'm comfortable lumping all these bands with the Cure and Depeche Mode in terms of '80s production and mood. Forget labels. Joy Division were like The Cure: a great postpunk band with a big goth following because Ian Curtis was such a tortured soul. The Banshees were a punk band that experimented with other sounds during the 80s. They focused on dark, sinister music and imagery for so long that many people consider them goth. 'Tinderbox' (my favorite Banshees album) was when I think they perfected their whole dark sound. After that, they started to change directions more musically. | |
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sextonseven said: Anxiety said: i see your point and i'm not saying it's invalid. i just think that bauhaus was a whole lot more than a goth band. it's always been frustrating to me to see them dismissed as just being that. i'm not saying that's what you're doing - it's just a defensive trigger on my end, i guess. See, now if goth only included the really good early bands like Bauhaus, Sisters, Nephilim, Christian Death, Xmal, Virgin Prunes, etc., then no one would be ashamed to be goth. Unfortunately its the legion of watered down clones that followed who all look like vampires that give goth a bad name. To me, Bauhaus were the pioneers of goth (you can't get much more gothic than "The Three Shadows"). So many bands have watered down what they did, but that hardly invalidates the real deal. What has become known as goth today is not a good representation of the genre, IMHO. Oh, and I totally agree with you on The Cure. Some of their stuff has a goth edge to it, but they have way too much upbeat, poppy stuff to really fall into that category. Post-punk is a good description. 
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sextonseven said: rudeboynpg said: Any fans of the Goth freaks ? (I love The Cure).
The Cure aren't goth freaks. They aren't goth at all; just an amazing left of center pop band. People like to say The Cure and Siouxsie are not goth. that thay are just silly pop stars. Come on! the Cure had an anti-image on there first albums that gave them the freedom to do experimental music like Bowie in the 70s. the anti-image thing Robert realised later that "was probably a mistake not establishing ourseleves as personalities earlier on." the Cure's music was always moody, cold, dark, atmospheric. very 'Goth'. Robert Smith was the guitarist with the Banshess in 1983 to the film Nocturne. Robert and Severin recorded the Glove a psychedelic album. Robert recorded Heyena with the Banshess. Robert likes to have the freedom to do experimental music like Lovecats. that does not make them not a goth band Bauhaus/Tons On Tail/Love And Rockets did experimental music too. Bauhaus is THE Goth band! Siouxsie was Punk with the Sex Pistals in the 70s then changed styles to Goth in the early 80s. The Cure and Siouxsie fit in to the Goth style more then eny other style of music and look. Goodnight, sweet Prince. | |
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Anxiety said: i don't even consider bauhaus to be goth. they were just an art rock band that got the label for having "dark" sensibilities in some of their music. and their subsequent post-bauhaus work - peter murphy's solo album, love and rockets, etc. - is anything but goth. of course, when i went through my high school goth phase, my two most favorite bands were the cure and bauhaus, but like whatever.
Bauhaus are the first "Goth" rock band! Goodnight, sweet Prince. | |
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Anxiety said: sextonseven said: Bauhaus = goth Peter Murphy, Love And Rockets, Daniel Ash, David J, The Bubblemen, etc ≠ goth my opinion ≠ your opinion if bauhaus hadn't have recorded ONE song, they wouldn't have been considered goth icons. "mask" is virtually a dance album, with dub influences all over the place. if anything, they were more influenced by glam, surrealism and dada than the goth subculture. Bauhaus are influenced by BOWIE albums like Aladdin Sane, Diamond Dogs, Low and Station To Station. Thay are even in the Bowie film the Hunger! Also recorded Ziggy Stardust! Goodnight, sweet Prince. | |
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Bauhaus Mask is GOTHIC! Goodnight, sweet Prince. | |
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I saw this Sisters of Mercy video once that was all glam and they had gospel backup singers. It was kind of like the Cult mixed with The Black Crowes. Is that goth?  When the sunlight strikes raindrops in the air, they act as a prism and form a rainbow. The rainbow is a division of white light into many beautiful colors. Regardless of the day, I'm glad you were born. | |
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The Cure were never PUNK! Robert Smith and Iggy Pop? NO WAY! Goodnight, sweet Prince. | |
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Thunderbird said: I saw this Sisters of Mercy video once that was all glam and they had gospel backup singers. It was kind of like the Cult mixed with The Black Crowes. Is that goth?
YES! Thats experimental Goth music. (If Ozzy does some odd music does that make Ozzy "not Metal".) Goodnight, sweet Prince. | |
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LALA
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oh, to hell with it. everyone's goth. bauhaus is goth, siouxie is goth, the cure is goth, my grandma is goth. let's just have a frikkin' goth jamboree already. | |
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I am a "Goth boy", I get called "Edward Scissorhands" all the time and I HATE IT! I love gothic music like Bauhaus, Tons On Tail, Love and Rockets, Skinny Puppy, the Virgin Prunes, Sisters, Christian Death with Rozz Williams, Siouxsie, the Cure and Joy Division. I wear make up and go clubing. Marlyn Manson is not goth. The satanic image is Metal not goth. Gothic music is like the old horror films like Nosferatu, spooky and atmospheric. Goodnight, sweet Prince. | |
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Well, f  ck all Goths anyways. Dirty critters need to take a bath!
I wanna comb Robert Smiths hair. Is it a wig? Is it a bird's nest? | |
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I also love Sleep Chamber, Dead Can Dance and The Cocteau Twins and Tim Burton movies. Very Goth. Goodnight, sweet Prince. | |
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rudeboynpg said: I also love Sleep Chamber, Dead Can Dance and The Cocteau Twins and Tim Burton movies. Very Goth.
I love Count Von Count. He is VERY Goth! | |
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GooeyTheHamster said: rudeboynpg said: I also love Sleep Chamber, Dead Can Dance and The Cocteau Twins and Tim Burton movies. Very Goth.
I love Count Von Count. He is VERY Goth! Count Chocula! Goodnight, sweet Prince. | |
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rudeboynpg said: I am a "Goth boy", I get called "Edward Scissorhands" all the time and I HATE IT! I love gothic music like Bauhaus, Tons On Tail, Love and Rockets, Skinny Puppy, the Virgin Prunes, Sisters, Christian Death with Rozz Williams, Siouxsie, the Cure and Joy Division. I wear make up and go clubing. Marlyn Manson is not goth. The satanic image is Metal not goth. Gothic music is like the old horror films like Nosferatu, spooky and atmospheric.
you sound like me fifteen years ago. now that i'm too old to look anything but stupid with the ol' pancake makeup and black lipstick, i opt to wear my black overcoat on the inside. | |
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Anxiety said: rudeboynpg said: I am a "Goth boy", I get called "Edward Scissorhands" all the time and I HATE IT! I love gothic music like Bauhaus, Tons On Tail, Love and Rockets, Skinny Puppy, the Virgin Prunes, Sisters, Christian Death with Rozz Williams, Siouxsie, the Cure and Joy Division. I wear make up and go clubing. Marlyn Manson is not goth. The satanic image is Metal not goth. Gothic music is like the old horror films like Nosferatu, spooky and atmospheric.
you sound like me fifteen years ago. now that i'm too old to look anything but stupid with the ol' pancake makeup and black lipstick, i opt to wear my black overcoat on the inside.NEVER TO OLD! Its a life style. Its fun! (And weird) Come back! Be a Goth freak again! Goodnight, sweet Prince. | |
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Anxiety said: my grandma is goth.
Somehow that wouldn't surprise me at all. | |
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rudeboynpg said: Anxiety said: you sound like me fifteen years ago. now that i'm too old to look anything but stupid with the ol' pancake makeup and black lipstick, i opt to wear my black overcoat on the inside.naaaah, it would be too regressive...that was like five or six transformations ago. but as long as there are goth geeks getting picked on in subway cars, i'll always be around to give their attackers the best case of stink-eye i can whip up! | |
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rudeboynpg said: The Cure were never PUNK! Robert Smith and Iggy Pop? NO WAY!
I don't think anyone said they were. Although I think he kinda tried with some of the stuff from '77-'79. Musically, they're a post-punk/alternative band with gothic tendencies. | |
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