BlueNote said:

Yeah, I'm tired of BOTH sides trying the case in the press (that is if one calls the Nat. Enquirer and NY Post legitimate "press"). Bring on the trial coz all of this other stuff is getting old.

We could come up with scenarios for Michael's defense OR to support the allegations. We won't know BOTH sides of the story until the case proceeds to the courtroom. And after these reports incite further public interest and speculation, sometimes the evidence in question might not even be admissible. You never know what might happen.

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AMEN, Calhoun! I totally agree.

Many a gay man has seduced a grown man that they suspected of fooling around with straight porn. You can't just spring gay porn on them, they would run like a scared rabbit. Who's to say that Michael isn't using the same tactic with boys instead of men.

Source: Fingerprints of Jackson, boy on magazines
Evidence seized in November 2003 raid on Neverland ranch
Saturday, December 11, 2004 Posted: 10:58 PM EST (0358 GMT)

LOS ANGELES, California (CNN) -- Fingerprints of Michael Jackson and those of his accuser have been found on "pornographic magazines" seized during a raid on the pop singer's Neverland ranch, a source familiar with the case told CNN.

Investigators raided Jackson's Los Olivos, California, property based on allegations of child molestation in November 2003 and seized a variety of items from the entertainer's estate, including items from his bedroom and master bath, sources said.

Investigators reportedly found a "collection" of pornographic magazines, and other periodicals in those rooms, and fingerprint testing was later performed on those materials, sources said.

CNN has also learned that authorities seized wine bottles found on the property, and those have been forensically tested as well, sources said.

Santa Barbara Superior Court Judge Rodney S. Melville will decide what can be introduced as evidence in the trial, set to begin January 31.

Jackson, 46, has pleaded not guilty to charges of child molestation, conspiracy and giving alcohol to his accuser, a cancer-stricken boy who lived for a time at the ranch.

The boy and his family also claim to have been held captive on the property.

They were also there when Jackson was away, and allegedly had "free run" of the property in the entertainer's absence, a source told CNN.

They were "into everything," crashing golf carts and being generally "disruptive," the source said.

The boy appeared with Jackson in a British television documentary in February 2003.

It is not clear in what room at the ranch that sheriff's investigators found the wine bottles. At a recent court hearing it was disclosed that a hidden wine cellar was build beneath the Neverland arcade. The entrance for the basement-type area was concealed behind a juke box facade, which swung open to reveal the top of a staircase that led down to the cellar.

A week ago, Jackson gave sheriff's investigators a DNA sample at his ranch. The meeting had been arranged by Jackson's defense lawyers, and Jackson cooperated fully, a source said.


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vainandy said:

Porn is never used on man to boy abuse
except child porn
from my research anyways

Stax said:

And on Jermaine Jackson's Birthday (12/11/54)

LOL

I'm not defending Jackson but how does two sets of fingerprints on the same object prove that both parties were handling the same object at the same time?

i cant believe you all are debating the merrits of evidence you dont even know are true or not...."alleged sources" and "secret witnesses" dont mean shit...


give it a rest y'all.....

i dont believe this shit here

This brings back my longtime question to the diehard Michael Jackson fans -- who have yet, by the way, to respond:

So often, you MJ fans say that Michael is not a sexual being, that he writes about sexual, adult relationships and dances suggestively with women (or, hello, himself) from a place of fantasy or imagination.

I still think he wrestles (at least) with pedophiliac tendencies and objectifies children.

What -- if anything -- do you gather from the discovery of porn in his home?

Is he still Peter Pan to you all?

ThreadBare, Katherine Jackson and I are crossing our fingers and hoping that Michael is a healthy heterosexual male.

ThreadBare said:

Hmmm. Peter Pan?

No.

A mixture between TinkerBell and Chester the Molester maybe.

CinisterCee said:

In truth, I just want him to own up to his problem -- whatever that is -- and get some help.

There been alleged (the same way this news is) rumors of porn mag found in Neverland, but NOT in MJ's room. It has since been rumoured it belonged to one of MJ's security staff. Now let me ask you this? Even if there was an adult magazine found in his room what would that prove? Oh woopie, MJ a 45 yr old man with a porn mag.....and.....every red blooded heterosexual prob has one too; don't prove he's done what these cats are accusing him of. If this kid got hold of it, i aint surprised he mighta taken a good look. I admit when something like this is reported and then brandished and highlighted every where, peops will look at it make up there mind, and yes, it is another nail in the coffin. However, look deeper people, look at all facts first and wait to hear both sides of a story, and thats all i gotta say about this.
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threat said:

thanks Mike.

threat said:

what facts? there hasnt been a trial..there are no facts at this time...everything everybody has been commenting on is pure speculation....

its pathetic..

wait, let me back it up a sec...there are two facts currently that pertain to this case:

1) an allegation of molestation has been claimed.


2) a judge has authorized a trial to proceed...

bananacologne said:

ewww that made me think of Seven, when Kevin Spacey peeled his skin off of his fingers.

ABeautifulOne said:

Me either!!

I can't picture Mike reading Straight Adult Porn.

sinisterpentatonic said:

that's just wrong.

AnckSuNamun said:

I have to stop chewing my hangnails

sinisterpentatonic said:

hell nobody does

glamslamkid said:

This is a sad,sad story.What the hell was Michael thinking?! Even if he didn't molest any child,isn't it still a crime to have porno magazines in a place where minors could find it? Isn't Neverland supposed to be an innocent,child-friendly environment? If you take this story,plus the fact that one of MJ's closest friends is a gay porno director,well,it makes Michael look REALLY bad.

DavidEye said:

A guy who reads porn mags and has porn directors as friends is a bad person? Me thinks not.

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Cloudbuster said:

You forgot to mention that he's 46 and has young boys sleeping in his bed

DavidEye said:

I don't think that makes one a bad person, either.

Cloudbuster said:

DavidEye said:

Well, I don't.