abierman said:

old enough to have been on Sunset in 86 to know what a real hairband is

abierman said:

Do you even like GNR or STP, I mean I know you hate VR but associating STP with Pearl Jam come on :roll:Pearl Jam sucked ass they were the valium of rock n roll

Hotlegs said:

Well, G&R never got close to topping Appetite For Destruction, and it really isn't necessary for VR to try. Its a different deal, and not all of the VR members were in G&R when they did that album anyway.


As for a G&R reunion, it won't happen. Axl is too much of a looney prick. Slash tried to reunite with him for years, and never could get him interested. Axl has lost his damned mind, and even if you throw a bunch of money his way he won't bite. At least the Crue guys were willing to put aside their differences in the face of the almighty dollar (oh yeah, and for their fans. Can't forget that).

JediMaster said:

I just love the sarcasm of your last line in brackets, thats hilarious
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JediMaster said:

Hey Guys, Don't pick on Winger. I used to have a crush Kip Winger and think was hot back in the day until he did that wack ass Playgirl spread.

JediMaster said:

Well, it is a true fact that Axl is too much a fucking not too let some good money pass to not unite with the GR members. Hell, I can't kick Crue guys for wanting to get the almighty dollar and touring while they still sound decent unlike some of these bands that tour and are old and fuck and sound like shit.

abierman said:

Nope. G&R was NEVER a hair band. The style of music and even their image was not that of a hair band. When they first hit it big, the critics hailed them as being a "real" rock band that was doing away with many of the trappings of glam metal. They were, in many ways, the precursor to "grunge". To refer to them as such just shows a lack of knowledge on your part with regard to the subject.

As for the Eddie Vedder comment, that's never made any sense to me. Weiland's voice really doesn't sound anything like Vedder's, and their style certainly wasn't the same (in fact, I always thought Alice In Chains had a much more similar style than PJ). To call them "mediocre" is ridiculous, but you are entitled to your opinion.

lil1 said:

Hotlegs said:

Well, I'm not into dudes, so I really can't comment on whether or not he was "hot". I do know that his music was incredibly lame, though.

I see a lot of people talkin' loud but not sayin' much.
VR is a good band. Scott has a great presence, and Slash is friggin' Slash. The album has some good tunes. As for STP, they have a new singer. It's me. The new band name is Miles Of Plush.

JediMaster said:

Well, I am a lady and I got to admit that their music started out cool in the beginning and turned shitty.

OdysseyMiles said:

I disagree, he is my absolute hero as a guitarist but .....


...on the VR album, where are the slinky, snakelike riffs? Where are the melodic solos? Where is the creative, organic feel he used to have?


His playing is lame with VR and it pains me to say it but it's just the damn truth

I reckon there's too much wishful thinking with VR, Emporer's New Clothes kind of effect.

RocknRollDave said:

"Fall To Pieces" reminds me of riffs reminisent of " Sweet Child Of Mine" and there are more melodic solos on there. You might want to listen to the album before you pan it

Hotlegs said:

Agreed.

lil1 said:

Damn.

JediMaster said:

I need to check them out. I've only seen a video of theirs.

lil1 said:

True. Fall To Pieces did sound like Sweet Child Of Mine.

If you want to hear a melodic solo, please, please, please listen to their tune, "You've Got No Right". I'm telling you, Slash nails this solo so beautifully. What really kills me is that it was done in one take.

If Izzy joined the band, they could maybe rival the Use Your Illusion albums. Izzy Stradlin was a big creative force behind GnR. Without him they will never top Guns or STP. Or at least bring DeLeo. Slash needs another guitar player, he is better at arrangments and solos than coming up with great ideas. this Dave kushner guy is too punky for my tastes. And Izzy sings too and coudl help Scoott on some great hooks.

Izzy Izzy we love you Izzy!

7salles said:

I agree Izzy was very influential, Dean Deleo is an awesome axeman listen to the solo in "Lady Picture Show" STP the whole song is killer but that solo is amazing.

I think Slash works better when he just has a rythem guitarist, Dean and Izzy are too talented to stand in the shadows. Which makes Dave a better choice to stand back and bang off power chords.

7salles one more thing "Pretty Tied Up" an Izzy song from Use Your Illusion II. Its a killer track. "I know this chick she lives down on Melrose....."

that is the problem, izzy is like a tasty rock guitar player of a classic rock band, he comes up with some cool but simple playing, he was not doing just power chords most of the times. That is why velvet sounds so punky when compared to guns n roses.The double riffs were great. And deleo at the same time has got flair too, but it´s more jazzy, and dissonat. Maybe it wouldnt work with slash, but izzy would, you can be sure, that is why appetite is apettite. Because is the only album where all the band had lots of input. Some songs on the use you illusion like "dont damn me" is slash sound all over the place, then you got november rain (axl rose solo), and you aint the first (izzy), and some duff things. Apettite sounds like a rock show. Where everybody can be heard and had lots of input. You cant even hear izzy on use your illusion the guitar is too buried in the mix.

7salles said:

and why do you think that is????? because Slash wants to be the guitar god in the group,and the other guy sit in the corner and shut the fuck up!

Izzy is too talented for that, and that is why Izzy would not work in VR, I'm not saying it wouldn't be great or couldn't be great it just would never happen.

lil1 said:

I love Dean. He's one of my guitar heroes. Like Slash, he's got his own little flair for melody. Don't hate on Odyssey Plush y'all, comin' in 2007!!!

lil1 said:

Izzy this, Izzy that.....

And where is Izzy now?

abierman said:

I would imagine hanging out with Eddie Vedder

hey, don't get me wrong: I am NOT an Eddy Vedder-fan!

All I'm saying is that if Izzy is really that great, why doesn't he have a career? I was a big GnR-fan, thought they were great, until Axl lost it. Slash is a good guitarist, but his style is outdated. Scott weiland is too much a junkie-freak, he never impressed me. The PJ - STP comparison is very clear & obvious on STP's 'Core', don't deny.

Like I said, VR are not worthless shit, there is too much talent for that in the group. They are just not using it to create something new!
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abierman said:

PJ -STP comparison is weak, location wise PJ came from Seatle, STP came up out of San Diego and migrated to LA, Scott's vocal was exploratory on Core, but by time they did Vatican Gift Shop he had his own style light years beyond Veddar with better range.

Musician wise the Deleo brothers can run circles around PJ's drudgey and dull meanderings.
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lil1 said:

Steady on now, I bought the album the week it came out and have given it the same number of spins any other new album of mine gets. These things always come down to personal taste, and if you think it's a great record with great songs and great playing, good for you - I wish I could agree, it just doesn't do it for me, simple as that.

And if Fall To Pieces does sound like Sweet Child (not to my ears, but hey) is that really a good thing? Surely a great record is one that sounds like nothing that's gone before it?

RocknRollDave said:

Exactly, and that sums up the whole discussion!

abierman said:

1. Izzy has a solo career. Just because you don't know it does not mean he does not have. And he got some pretty good albums.

2. Slash: In a sense, his style was always outdated, he always played blusier with his les paul than the likes of the bands of his time, but is that a bad thing? What guitar style is not outdated nowadays? THe guitar style of the musicans of Korn and LInking Park? gimme a fucki_ng break.

3. Apart some songs from the first album (vocal wise). STP has absolutely NOTHING to do with pearl jam. STP has got some flair, some dissonant chords, some great progressions. Very led zeppelin influenced in some senses. STP is very melodic.
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