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Madonna, Michael Jackson, David Bowie, & Eminem Pop Stars: Madonna, Michael Jackson, David Bowie, And Eminem
By Robert Paul Reyes Dec. 5, 2004 The seminal pop stars of the last generation were chameleons, individuals who attempted to have no real self outside of a series of video images. They were Andy Warhol clones manufacturing music with a beat you could dance to. Madonna was/is a Geisha girl, a virgin, an erotic temptress, a material girl and a bad actress. It would be easier to find bin Laden than to find the genuine Madonna. In fact, the real Madonna may not exist in the real world. She comes to a semblance of life only in the glare of the camera. Michael Jackson is black. He's white. He has ambiguous sexuality and indeterminate gender. The King of Artifice, in his effort to be reduced literally to an image, has become a freakish mannequin. Michael Jackson's first album, Off The Wall, was an R & B masterpiece, his subsequent releases were rock/pop/soul hybrids. His music evolved from a black genre to a white genre -- because that is where the money is. The King of Pop evolved commercially -- not creatively. David Bowie has gone through many chaaanges. It is telling that fans don't ask, "Do you prefer Bowie's heavy metal records or his disco records?" It is more common for his followers to inquire, who is your favorite Bowie? The Thin White Duke? Ziggy Stardust? There is not one David Bowie. There are many incarnations. These postmodern pop stars exist in their own world. Publicity is sustenance. The media the only institution worthy of acknowledgment. Flesh is not real. Sprit is not real. Only celluloid is real. Only cash is real. But Madonna is now old and wrinkled, David Bowie's next change may involve changing his Depends and Michael Jackson is figuratively and literally falling apart as illustrated by his disintegrating silicon nose. The pop icons of this generation are more authentic, more earthy than their immediate predecessors. Eminem is a total jerk, but he makes no effort to smooth his rough edges. He markets himself as a thug. He raps about killing his wife and mother and he is making a killing at the record stores and movie theaters. The mantra of today's rap stars is, "Keeping it real," a striking contrast to pop stars like Jackson and Prince who were concerned almost exclusively with image. The icons of the 80's lived in a Hollywood realm that had evolved past quaint notions like authenticity or belief. I don't like poseurs like Bowie and Madonna and I don't like exhibitionists like Eminem. Too much artifice and too much reality can both make you throw up. I guess that's why I don't keep up with the latest fads in pop music. I find refuge in my Oldies station. "What the world needs now is love, sweet love." Ah, real music. ...Your coochie gonna swell up and fall apart... | |
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had nothing to say about prince?
c'mon now i could come up with a hundred things baout prince | |
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Madonna is not old and wrinkled dammit ! | |
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variety1317 said: Madonna is not old and wrinkled dammit !
No, but this crotchety reviewer is. When the sunlight strikes raindrops in the air, they act as a prism and form a rainbow. The rainbow is a division of white light into many beautiful colors. Regardless of the day, I'm glad you were born. | |
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Thunderbird said: variety1317 said: Madonna is not old and wrinkled dammit !
No, but this crotchety reviewer is. Not to mention boring as hell. He must love reading his own thoughts cause most people could probably give a crap less. He's just trying to be shocking in order to get people's attention. Unfornately, he got it. | |
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VinnyM27 said: Thunderbird said: No, but this crotchety reviewer is. Not to mention boring as hell. He must love reading his own thoughts cause most people could probably give a crap less. He's just trying to be shocking in order to get people's attention. Unfornately, he got it. Not mine! I didn't read it  | |
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VinnyM27 said: Thunderbird said: No, but this crotchety reviewer is. Not to mention boring as hell. He must love reading his own thoughts cause most people could probably give a crap less. He's just trying to be shocking in order to get people's attention. Unfornately, he got it. That's how most editorial pieces are! At least the good ones have a point, unlike this guy's. When the sunlight strikes raindrops in the air, they act as a prism and form a rainbow. The rainbow is a division of white light into many beautiful colors. Regardless of the day, I'm glad you were born. | |
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oooh, it's like a who's who of the Music: Non-Prince forum! but they should've put Janet in there too  "Awards are like hemorrhoids. Sooner or later, every asshole gets one." | |
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But 'Janet' is not an Icon  ...Your coochie gonna swell up and fall apart... | |
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btw, any grain of truth to be found in this article is completely neutered by the fact that in the end, it has absolutely nothing to say.  "Awards are like hemorrhoids. Sooner or later, every asshole gets one." | |
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Martinelli said: But 'Janet' is not an Icon
here, you'll need this....  "Awards are like hemorrhoids. Sooner or later, every asshole gets one." | |
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Martinelli said
The mantra of today's rap stars is, "Keeping it real," a striking contrast to pop stars like Jackson and Prince who were concerned almost exclusively with image. That's another problem with today's artists, they "keep it real". Everyone looks alike and blends into a crowd of everyday people. A star is supposed to look like a star....over-the-top custom made outfits and wild hair. Stars from the 1970s and 1980s would never blend in with a crowd, they would stand out and I love it! Andy is a four letter word. | |
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Martinelli said: But 'Janet' is not an Icon
Figures. Those shades are impairing your vision. | |
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JANFAN4L said: Martinelli said: But 'Janet' is not an Icon
Figures. Those shades are impairing your vision. Love Janet... but I don't think she approaches Icon status... she's like Mariah and Whitney... great at what they do... but not really Icons You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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ehuffnsd said: JANFAN4L said: Figures. Those shades are impairing your vision. Love Janet... but I don't think she approaches Icon status... she's like Mariah and Whitney... great at what they do... but not really Icons Yeah, "Icon" is too low of a title for her. It's LEGEND. | |
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JANFAN4L said: ehuffnsd said: Love Janet... but I don't think she approaches Icon status... she's like Mariah and Whitney... great at what they do... but not really Icons Yeah, "Icon" is too low of a title for her. It's LEGEND. really??? besides the boob what is legendary? You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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ehuffnsd said: JANFAN4L said: Yeah, "Icon" is too low of a title for her. It's LEGEND. really??? besides the boob what is legendary? You win, Madonna fan.  [Edited 12/6/04 21:52pm] | |
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JANFAN4L said: ehuffnsd said: really??? besides the boob what is legendary? Arguing with a Madonna fan about this is like trying to have sex with air -- you get nothing. Honey I love both of them... I've seen Janet live 4 times... have every album... and own 4 bootlegged concerts... know most of her life story ... but I don't think she is legendary beyond her fan base. Her breakthough album was mostly a project spear headed by Jam and Lewis and carries the MPLS sound. Rhythm Nation and it's tour are very good and probably the closest she came to greatness. janet. was a great turn from RN1814 and I throughly love the janet. tour... Velvet Rope is the album that helped me get throgh coming out... but i don't think she is a legend or an icon... sorry... she had the potential but got scared and ran back to safety. lol my spelling sucks lately what's up with that lol [Edited 12/7/04 0:24am] You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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Luv4oneanotha said: had nothing to say about prince?
c'mon now i could come up with a hundred things baout prince He mentioned Prince saying he was concerned with image almost exclusively. |
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You win Madonna fans. Enjoy your "art."
All hail the s**t eating legend. | |
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JANFAN4L said: ehuffnsd said: really??? besides the boob what is legendary? You win, Madonna fan.
[Edited 12/6/04 21:52pm] Tony Ward is hot... so is Madonna... That book sold out and was the number 5 out of print booked looked for on the web... 12 years after it came out... still talked about today... 12 years after it came out...LEGENDARY You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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JANFAN4L said: You win Madonna fans. Enjoy your "art."
All hail the s**t eating legend. Scat play and rimming are different... I know... I am a Leather boy and that my dear is rimming... i do it... most every gay man does it... and most everyone gay or staright who has had it done enjoys it... scat is something that is done rarely and most people look down on it... but those that do it are very proud of it and very vocal about... trust me I have seen scat play and that isn't it. don't talk shit about things you don't know or don't understand. those who have come before me have fought LONG AND HARD with the police and society to get those outside of Leather to understand us... comments and action like yours promote hate and bigorty and get people NO WHERE. [Edited 12/6/04 22:06pm] [Edited 12/6/04 22:06pm] You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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JANFAN4L said: You win Madonna fans. Enjoy your "art."
All hail the s**t eating legend. there, there. breathe.  "Awards are like hemorrhoids. Sooner or later, every asshole gets one." | |
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GrayKing said: JANFAN4L said: You win Madonna fans. Enjoy your "art."
All hail the s**t eating legend. there, there. breathe. me or janfan? You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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ehuffnsd said: GrayKing said: there, there. breathe. me or janfan? well it was her i was replying to. but if you feel the need, go ahead and inhale and exhale a few times yourself  "Awards are like hemorrhoids. Sooner or later, every asshole gets one." | |
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Martinelli said: Pop Stars: Madonna, Michael Jackson, David Bowie, And Eminem
By Robert Paul Reyes Dec. 5, 2004 The seminal pop stars of the last generation were chameleons, individuals who attempted to have no real self outside of a series of video images. They were Andy Warhol clones manufacturing music with a beat you could dance to. Madonna was/is a Geisha girl, a virgin, an erotic temptress, a material girl and a bad actress. It would be easier to find bin Laden than to find the genuine Madonna. In fact, the real Madonna may not exist in the real world. She comes to a semblance of life only in the glare of the camera. Michael Jackson is black. He's white. He has ambiguous sexuality and indeterminate gender. The King of Artifice, in his effort to be reduced literally to an image, has become a freakish mannequin. Michael Jackson's first album, Off The Wall, was an R & B masterpiece, his subsequent releases were rock/pop/soul hybrids. His music evolved from a black genre to a white genre -- because that is where the money is. The King of Pop evolved commercially -- not creatively. David Bowie has gone through many chaaanges. It is telling that fans don't ask, "Do you prefer Bowie's heavy metal records or his disco records?" It is more common for his followers to inquire, who is your favorite Bowie? The Thin White Duke? Ziggy Stardust? There is not one David Bowie. There are many incarnations. These postmodern pop stars exist in their own world. Publicity is sustenance. The media the only institution worthy of acknowledgment. Flesh is not real. Sprit is not real. Only celluloid is real. Only cash is real. But Madonna is now old and wrinkled, David Bowie's next change may involve changing his Depends and Michael Jackson is figuratively and literally falling apart as illustrated by his disintegrating silicon nose. The pop icons of this generation are more authentic, more earthy than their immediate predecessors. Eminem is a total jerk, but he makes no effort to smooth his rough edges. He markets himself as a thug. He raps about killing his wife and mother and he is making a killing at the record stores and movie theaters. The mantra of today's rap stars is, "Keeping it real," a striking contrast to pop stars like Jackson and Prince who were concerned almost exclusively with image. The icons of the 80's lived in a Hollywood realm that had evolved past quaint notions like authenticity or belief. I don't like poseurs like Bowie and Madonna and I don't like exhibitionists like Eminem. Too much artifice and too much reality can both make you throw up. I guess that's why I don't keep up with the latest fads in pop music. I find refuge in my Oldies station. "What the world needs now is love, sweet love." Ah, real music. I find this to be a really odd column. At first glance, it would seem like this person could be a teenager or something. But I did a little poking around...this guy is a columnist from central Virgina near Lynchburg...so there you go. He looks to be in his 40's or maybe 50. I am willing to bet he did not understand nor like the 80's...nor is he really in tune with where these people he doesn't like are today. What get's me is that he's usually a political writer. Maybe he should stick to writing what he knows about. 
Sorry to get off topic of...erm where where we...oh yeah...poop play (WHERES DOOK?), but I thought I'd interject where that article came from. As you were.. Christian Zombie Vampires | |
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GrayKing said: ehuffnsd said: me or janfan? well it was her i was replying to. but if you feel the need, go ahead and inhale and exhale a few times yourself i'm trying to... i don't know why it offened me... maybe i'm over emotional from the stress at work the past couple weeks... or ignorance is just really distrubing [Edited 12/7/04 0:25am] You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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What a ridiculous article.What's the point? The author doesn't really like Madonna,Michael Jackson or Eminem.Big freakin' deal!  | |
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DavidEye said: What a ridiculous article.What's the point? The author doesn't really like Madonna,Michael Jackson or Eminem.Big freakin' deal!
it's worse than that, actually. he doesn't like artists who change up their style and image a lot, because there's no "self" to them
yet he doesn't like artists who are only always themselves. wtf does he want? "Awards are like hemorrhoids. Sooner or later, every asshole gets one." | |
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GrayKing said: wtf does he want? I bet he divorced his wife when she came home after 20 years of marriage and finally got a different style haircut, claiming she had far too many "selfs" now. and true love lives on lollipops and crisps | |
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