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Printablevainandy said: So true. Also, look at the old Motown artists like Diana Ross, Smokey Robinson, and Stevie Wonder. These artists had hits in the 1960s, 1970s, and 1980s. In the 1980s, Stevie had a major hit with "Hotter Than July", Smokey had a major hit with "Being With You" and Diana had a major hit with "Diana". Even if younger crowds did not like it at the time, the albums still received major airplay and became major hits as a result. These also were not "comeback" records, these artists had never left and were still loved.
Tina Turner also made a MAJOR comeback in the 1980s. An artist that had disappeared as long as Tina had back then, would never be able to make a comeback like that these days. I remember Diana Ross made a new song in the late 1990s called "Take Me Higher" which I thoroughly enjoyed. This song received no radio airplay. I had seen the video on BET (that's back when they still had a little tiny bit of variety left) that's the only way I even knew the song existed. Cher did it. 
But to some extent, I know what you mean. Blondie put out a great album last year and it got even less attention than their '99 effort. A few years back, it seemed like Donna Summer was on the verge of a comeback, but she disappeared without a trace. What Prince has done is truly shocking. I still pinch myself sometimes. | |
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VoicesCarry said: vainandy said: So true. Also, look at the old Motown artists like Diana Ross, Smokey Robinson, and Stevie Wonder. These artists had hits in the 1960s, 1970s, and 1980s. In the 1980s, Stevie had a major hit with "Hotter Than July", Smokey had a major hit with "Being With You" and Diana had a major hit with "Diana". Even if younger crowds did not like it at the time, the albums still received major airplay and became major hits as a result. These also were not "comeback" records, these artists had never left and were still loved. Tina Turner also made a MAJOR comeback in the 1980s. An artist that had disappeared as long as Tina had back then, would never be able to make a comeback like that these days. I remember Diana Ross made a new song in the late 1990s called "Take Me Higher" which I thoroughly enjoyed. This song received no radio airplay. I had seen the video on BET (that's back when they still had a little tiny bit of variety left) that's the only way I even knew the song existed. To be fair, Cher did have a comeback in '99 with Believe (which went to #1 of all things), but that song, anyone could have been singing it. Bland Europop was all the rage then. Believe is a kickass song, you need to be spanked | |
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VoicesCarry said: To be fair, Cher did have a comeback in '99 with Believe (which went to #1 of all things), but that song, anyone could have been singing it. Bland Europop was all the rage then.
Took the words right out of my mouth. | |
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GangstaFam said: CookieMonster said: Hehehe. Ayedunno. It depends on so many factors. But it WAS a hit. Cuz she has talent. As we're typing, on what label was Y Kant Tori Read released? Was it WB too? Did they stick with her until Little Earthquakes? Little Earthquakes was Atlantic. Not sure about Y Kant Tori Read. Also Atlantic. So even then they gave artists a second chance. Kewl. That certainly changed. The music business has become so centered around multi billion $ co's that the individuality has kind of had to suffer, but there will be a counter movement. It is up to the public to decide what way they want to go. But it's like the US election; too many people just like the crap they are fed. Here in Holland we have our own Creed called Kane, whom's singer just copies the singing voice of Bush's lead singer. It is so painfully horrid to listen to, but many Dutch people LIKE that music. To each their own. I would like the indie AUDIENCE to take control of the music in ways the industry never could... In a way they have sent the industry a bug message by flocking to Kazaa's side, but instead of embracing the media, the industry gets really puffy. Most artist LIKE the media, so why not deivce a way benificial to all? | |
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GangstaFam said: What Prince has done is truly shocking. I still pinch myself sometimes.
Prince fucked the industry up it's ass with their own 18" dildo. He's such a smart-ass. | |
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CookieMonster said: GangstaFam said: What Prince has done is truly shocking. I still pinch myself sometimes.
Prince fucked the industry up it's ass with their own 18" dildo. He's such a smart-ass. But why couldn't he have done it all along? Why now? | |
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GangstaFam said: But to some extent, I know what you mean. Blondie put out a great album last year and it got even less attention than their '99 effort. A few years back, it seemed like Donna Summer was on the verge of a comeback, but she disappeared without a trace. What Prince has done is truly shocking. I still pinch myself sometimes. yeah, the blondie album was good, but they didn't really do enough to get "casual" fans and listeners interested. unfortunately, recording a good record is only half of it. i think what put prince over the top this year was that he found a way to make a big noise outside of the usual indicators of pop success. he busted his ass on tour, he kicked off with a ton of TV appearances, and he kept his name out there all summer. of course, i'm sure a big part of his success this year too is simply that he's prince, and when he wants to make an effort to be visible, people like to tune in for the spectacle of what he's gonna wear or what crazy stunt he's gonna pull. whatever the formula was, he worked it this year and it sure paid off. it would be nice if blondie could find their "formula" and have a nice comeback. | |
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Another issue is that all one hears now on the radio is american music. VERY good observation! I don't know why I hadn't noticed that before you pointed it out. Not only did the 1960s have a British Invasion, but so did the 1980s. There was also a lot of foreign artists around in the 1970s such as Rod Stewart, The Rolling Stones, etc. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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GangstaFam said: CookieMonster said: Prince fucked the industry up it's ass with their own 18" dildo. He's such a smart-ass. But why couldn't he have done it all along? Why now? Jeez. That's the million $ question with Prince, huh? Why this, why that? Ayedunno. When it comes to that I never understood the man. It all went wrong when he cancelled the US leg of the SOTT tour, in my opinion. After that I did not understand ANYTHING he did, except lash out with TGE. | |
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Anxiety said: GangstaFam said: But to some extent, I know what you mean. Blondie put out a great album last year and it got even less attention than their '99 effort. A few years back, it seemed like Donna Summer was on the verge of a comeback, but she disappeared without a trace. What Prince has done is truly shocking. I still pinch myself sometimes. yeah, the blondie album was good, but they didn't really do enough to get "casual" fans and listeners interested. unfortunately, recording a good record is only half of it. i think what put prince over the top this year was that he found a way to make a big noise outside of the usual indicators of pop success. he busted his ass on tour, he kicked off with a ton of TV appearances, and he kept his name out there all summer. of course, i'm sure a big part of his success this year too is simply that he's prince, and when he wants to make an effort to be visible, people like to tune in for the spectacle of what he's gonna wear or what crazy stunt he's gonna pull. whatever the formula was, he worked it this year and it sure paid off. it would be nice if blondie could find their "formula" and have a nice comeback. The album being in the top 10 helped too. That was a brilliant marketing strategy. He's knows the loop holes...and I think this one surprised many people...including him. Christian Zombie Vampires | |
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VoicesCarry said: vainandy said: So true. Also, look at the old Motown artists like Diana Ross, Smokey Robinson, and Stevie Wonder. These artists had hits in the 1960s, 1970s, and 1980s. In the 1980s, Stevie had a major hit with "Hotter Than July", Smokey had a major hit with "Being With You" and Diana had a major hit with "Diana". Even if younger crowds did not like it at the time, the albums still received major airplay and became major hits as a result. These also were not "comeback" records, these artists had never left and were still loved. Tina Turner also made a MAJOR comeback in the 1980s. An artist that had disappeared as long as Tina had back then, would never be able to make a comeback like that these days. I remember Diana Ross made a new song in the late 1990s called "Take Me Higher" which I thoroughly enjoyed. This song received no radio airplay. I had seen the video on BET (that's back when they still had a little tiny bit of variety left) that's the only way I even knew the song existed. To be fair, Cher did have a comeback in '99 with Believe (which went to #1 of all things), but that song, anyone could have been singing it. Bland Europop was all the rage then. Actually, I thought about Cher when I was typing my post. There are always exceptions and Cher has been known as the "queen of comebacks" even before that comeback. Like she said on VH1 "After everyone is dead and gone, there will only be roaches and Cher".  Andy is a four letter word. | |
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Anxiety said: yeah, the blondie album was good, but they didn't really do enough to get "casual" fans and listeners interested. unfortunately, recording a good record is only half of it. i think what put prince over the top this year was that he found a way to make a big noise outside of the usual indicators of pop success. he busted his ass on tour, he kicked off with a ton of TV appearances, and he kept his name out there all summer. of course, i'm sure a big part of his success this year too is simply that he's prince, and when he wants to make an effort to be visible, people like to tune in for the spectacle of what he's gonna wear or what crazy stunt he's gonna pull. whatever the formula was, he worked it this year and it sure paid off. it would be nice if blondie could find their "formula" and have a nice comeback.
What's even stranger is that Prince did his thing in a totally shock-free, non-gimmicky way. He got by strictly on the strength of his music and his star power. It warms my heart just to think about it. To go from the cultish, but still outstanding Rainbow Children and Celebration 2002 to the success he's had this year just blows me away. To see "my guy" on the video channels and awards shows is something I thought I'd never see again. Same with The Cure to a lesser degree. Who knew they'd have the kind of year they did. I guess, sometimes your number gets called. It was their turn. | |
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CookieMonster said: Jeez. That's the million $ question with Prince, huh? Why this, why that? Ayedunno. When it comes to that I never understood the man.
It all went wrong when he cancelled the US leg of the SOTT tour, in my opinion. After that I did not understand ANYTHING he did, except lash out with TGE. You're misreading me. I'm not so much questioning Prince and his decisions. Cuz he's made a run at the charts several times unsuccessfully in the last decade. I mean, why now of all times is the mainstream media and record buying public embracing Prince? | |
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GangstaFam said
What Prince has done is truly shocking. I still pinch myself sometimes. I still think that Prince's success this year comes from the album being included in the price of the concert ticket and the "threat" to never perform the old songs live again (something he also said in the early 1990s when he changed his name). It was a genius plot to get back on top and he did it. Now that the tour is over though, so is all the hype. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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Believe is a kickass song, you need to be spanked I love that song too! That's why I'm surprised it received so much airplay. Usually when I like something, the radio refuses to play it. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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vainandy said: GangstaFam said
What Prince has done is truly shocking. I still pinch myself sometimes. I still think that Prince's success this year comes from the album being included in the price of the concert ticket and the "threat" to never perform the old songs live again (something he also said in the early 1990s when he changed his name). It was a genius plot to get back on top and he did it. Now that the tour is over though, so is all the hype. i don't think the price of the concert tickets were all that great (though certainly better than, say, madonna's prices), and i don't think anyone takes seriously the whole "never to be performed again" schtick. bowie said that during his sound+vision tour, and he's still doing his classics. meanwhile, cher and KISS said they were gonna retire from touring altogether, and, well... | |
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GangstaFam said: CookieMonster said: Jeez. That's the million $ question with Prince, huh? Why this, why that? Ayedunno. When it comes to that I never understood the man.
It all went wrong when he cancelled the US leg of the SOTT tour, in my opinion. After that I did not understand ANYTHING he did, except lash out with TGE. You're misreading me. I'm not so much questioning Prince and his decisions. Cuz he's made a run at the charts several times unsuccessfully in the last decade. I mean, why now of all times is the mainstream media and record buying public embracing Prince? They are becuz of the fact he coupled sales of his albums to his concert going audience. We know we are a fanbase that loves to see him live. These sales just propelled him back into the main audience's view for a little while. That's all. Musicology will be quickly forgotten, as the sales did not reflect the actual sales. | |
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vainandy said: Now that the tour is over though, so is all the hype.
I don't know. He raised quite a stink with the Cinnamon Girl video for a few minutes. I think now that he's found his public groove again, cemented his legend status and gotten the respect he deserves, he won't let it go so easily. | |
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CookieMonster said: They are becuz of the fact he coupled sales of his albums to his concert going audience. We know we are a fanbase that loves to see him live.
These sales just propelled him back into the main audience's view for a little while. That's all. Musicology will be quickly forgotten, as the sales did not reflect the actual sales. Record sales only tell part of the story. His tour was enormous. He had to keep adding repeat dates in several cities because of the demand. I think in Detroit alone, he went from scheduling one up to five dates. Last time he was playing arenas for the Hit & Run shows, several of the venues weren't even half full. People ARE interested again, and not just the die-hards. | |
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Anxiety said:
i don't think the price of the concert tickets were all that great (though certainly better than, say, madonna's prices) I was referring to it boosting the album sales and putting it on the charts again. With all that controversy going on, a lot of the radio stations started playing him again which boosted sales even more. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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vainandy said: I was referring to it boosting the album sales and putting it on the charts again. With all that controversy going on, a lot of the radio stations started playing him again which boosted sales even more.
And a lot of it had to do with picking good singles and making good videos. But it couldn't have been all strategy could it? It seems like a lot of luck and timing were involved. | |
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Anxiety said: So do I think pop music is crap these days because I'm getting older and I'm out of touch with what's considered cool now, or do I think pop music is crap these days because what the music industry and Clear Channel radio stations are churning out these days is absolute garbage?
I remember when I was a teenager and digging Prince and Culture Club and Eurythmics and Cyndi Lauper, and the adults would say stuff like, "I like some of their hits, but I can't understand why they're so WEIRD." And of course, back then we had crappy bubblegum disposable crap music - Tiffany, Debbie Gibson, New Kids on the Block - but it was just one slice of the pie...there were all kinds of aspects to pop music. Now it just seems like you have two choices - fluffy bubblegum pop or fluffy bubblegum rap/r&b. but is it really good? is there something to lindsay lohan that i'm missing? is crunk the new grunge? i'm having a hard time believing it's not all crap, and i'm thinking the problem is not necessarily with me... Paula Abdul and Tiffany vs. Britney Spears and Hilary Duff? Is there really a difference? The good music isn't gonna be on the radio anymore. If you're looking for pop, there's plenty overseas. Tons of bands that get zero pressin the States are on magazine covers in the UK and Italy. For indie rock, Saddle Creek and - still - Sub Pop are good places to go. Epitaph still has the Bad-Religion-influenced melodic punk, ska, psychobilly markets cornered (also check the Hellcat imprint), and I know you're cool with the dance-punk movement, so check out Coachwhips, Pink Mountaintops, etc. Franz Ferdinand is still on the radio, and even though their video is like the world's most blatant homage to Gary Numan, it's really good to see Gary Numan fans getting airtime! There's still a lot out there if you're willing to look for it. When the sunlight strikes raindrops in the air, they act as a prism and form a rainbow. The rainbow is a division of white light into many beautiful colors. Regardless of the day, I'm glad you were born. | |
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Thunderbird said: Paula Abdul and Tiffany vs. Britney Spears and Hilary Duff? Is there really a difference? The good music isn't gonna be on the radio anymore. If you're looking for pop, there's plenty overseas. Tons of bands that get zero pressin the States are on magazine covers in the UK and Italy. For indie rock, Saddle Creek and - still - Sub Pop are good places to go. Epitaph still has the Bad-Religion-influenced melodic punk, ska, psychobilly markets cornered (also check the Hellcat imprint), and I know you're cool with the dance-punk movement, so check out Coachwhips, Pink Mountaintops, etc. Franz Ferdinand is still on the radio, and even though their video is like the world's most blatant homage to Gary Numan, it's really good to see Gary Numan fans getting airtime! There's still a lot out there if you're willing to look for it.
Don't worry about Anx. He's got all the underground shit covered. But there will always be good music underground. I think what he's saying is that you used to be able to turn on the radio or the video channels and see something good. | |
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Anxiety said: So do I think pop music is crap these days because I'm getting older and I'm out of touch with what's considered cool now, or do I think pop music is crap these days because what the music industry and Clear Channel radio stations are churning out these days is absolute garbage?
I remember when I was a teenager and digging Prince and Culture Club and Eurythmics and Cyndi Lauper, and the adults would say stuff like, "I like some of their hits, but I can't understand why they're so WEIRD." And of course, back then we had crappy bubblegum disposable crap music - Tiffany, Debbie Gibson, New Kids on the Block - but it was just one slice of the pie...there were all kinds of aspects to pop music. Now it just seems like you have two choices - fluffy bubblegum pop or fluffy bubblegum rap/r&b. but is it really good? is there something to lindsay lohan that i'm missing? is crunk the new grunge? i'm having a hard time believing it's not all crap, and i'm thinking the problem is not necessarily with me... well,looking at alot of the posts so far that are mainly about 80s music and pre 80s music... it might have a tiny bit to do with age and what people loved back in the days and all that. 
and its all personal taste id say.....so in saying that im gonna put on some radiohead and lock myself in a room with a razor.  | |
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Christopher said: well,looking at alot of the posts so far that are mainly about 80s music and pre 80s music... it might have a tiny bit to do with age and what people loved back in the days and all that.
and its all personal taste id say.....so in saying that im gonna put on some radiohead and lock myself in a room with a razor. What happened to Hilary and Avril?  | |
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GangstaFam said: Christopher said: well,looking at alot of the posts so far that are mainly about 80s music and pre 80s music... it might have a tiny bit to do with age and what people loved back in the days and all that.
and its all personal taste id say.....so in saying that im gonna put on some radiohead and lock myself in a room with a razor. What happened to Hilary and Avril? they need to stop doing all that cocaine and get back on track. | |
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GangstaFam said: Thunderbird said: Paula Abdul and Tiffany vs. Britney Spears and Hilary Duff? Is there really a difference? The good music isn't gonna be on the radio anymore. If you're looking for pop, there's plenty overseas. Tons of bands that get zero pressin the States are on magazine covers in the UK and Italy. For indie rock, Saddle Creek and - still - Sub Pop are good places to go. Epitaph still has the Bad-Religion-influenced melodic punk, ska, psychobilly markets cornered (also check the Hellcat imprint), and I know you're cool with the dance-punk movement, so check out Coachwhips, Pink Mountaintops, etc. Franz Ferdinand is still on the radio, and even though their video is like the world's most blatant homage to Gary Numan, it's really good to see Gary Numan fans getting airtime! There's still a lot out there if you're willing to look for it.
Don't worry about Anx. He's got all the underground shit covered. But there will always be good music underground. I think what he's saying is that you used to be able to turn on the radio or the video channels and see something good. Well, thank goodness for classic rock and R&B stations. If there's one human truism, it's that new music sucks and it was better back in the day! When the sunlight strikes raindrops in the air, they act as a prism and form a rainbow. The rainbow is a division of white light into many beautiful colors. Regardless of the day, I'm glad you were born. | |
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Anxiety said: So do I think pop music is crap these days because I'm getting older and I'm out of touch with what's considered cool now, or do I think pop music is crap these days because what the music industry and Clear Channel radio stations are churning out these days is absolute garbage?
I remember when I was a teenager and digging Prince and Culture Club and Eurythmics and Cyndi Lauper, and the adults would say stuff like, "I like some of their hits, but I can't understand why they're so WEIRD." And of course, back then we had crappy bubblegum disposable crap music - Tiffany, Debbie Gibson, New Kids on the Block - but it was just one slice of the pie...there were all kinds of aspects to pop music. Now it just seems like you have two choices - fluffy bubblegum pop or fluffy bubblegum rap/r&b. but is it really good? is there something to lindsay lohan that i'm missing? is crunk the new grunge? i'm having a hard time believing it's not all crap, and i'm thinking the problem is not necessarily with me... There is nothing wrong with you and it's not your age....most music sucks. Record companies don't care what they put out as long as it sells and they sign people who only care about shameless self-promotion and no music integrity. Thank god for groups that slipped through the musical mediocre crack like Outkast, No Doubt/Gwen Stefani, & Black Eyed Peas. Thank god Prince and some other great groups from the past are still Rockin', otherwise music would be totally lost. | |
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The worst decade for music is the one where in now!!!
U turn to award shows and guys like Petey Pabloy and Chingy are considered stars because they have a good gimic and make their words sound different. What a big contrast from 80's stars Rick James, Lionel Richie, and Prince. And no, I'm not hating on Rap - just making a point. Their is no originality in music anymore - it started in the 90's and it's getting even worse. Their are no artist to rally behind anymore (except for Prince and a selected few) because they all seem like snobs and criminals. Just like the athletes! (fighting fans and taking steriods) Too many scandals! Am I right? It's all about getting the hot producer of the moment (at least in R&B and Rap) and promoting the hell out of an album until it's released (see Brandi) and then U hear nothing more about it. Basically, the young people (teenagers) determine what's hot and popular. I guess it's always been that way? When we were teens and listened to Prince, I'm sure our parents hated it. But damn, Prince is talented and Chingy is not! Usher is like the Michael Jackson for the teens of today. Too bad they missed out on the Thriller era - that's why we don't trip off Usher on this website. Man, when I get started I could write about this stuff forever....sorry. | |
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goat2004 said: The worst decade for music is the one where in now!!!
U turn to award shows and guys like Petey Pabloy and Chingy are considered stars because they have a good gimic and make their words sound different. What a big contrast from 80's stars Rick James, Lionel Richie, and Prince. And no, I'm not hating on Rap - just making a point. Their is no originality in music anymore - it started in the 90's and it's getting even worse. Their are no artist to rally behind anymore (except for Prince and a selected few) because they all seem like snobs and criminals. Just like the athletes! (fighting fans and taking steriods) Too many scandals! Am I right? It's all about getting the hot producer of the moment (at least in R&B and Rap) and promoting the hell out of an album until it's released (see Brandi) and then U hear nothing more about it. Basically, the young people (teenagers) determine what's hot and popular. I guess it's always been that way? When we were teens and listened to Prince, I'm sure our parents hated it. But damn, Prince is talented and Chingy is not! Usher is like the Michael Jackson for the teens of today. Too bad they missed out on the Thriller era - that's why we don't trip off Usher on this website. Man, when I get started I could write about this stuff forever....sorry. Very well said! And another thing is that artists are getting younger and younger every day. It's music made by kids...for kids. Back in the 1980s, you only had a handful of teenagers on the scene such as Stacy Lattisaw, Janet Jackson, Johnny Gill, and New Edition. Everyone else was in their 20s, 30s, and even 40s. Today, we are living in a Barney era for juvenille delinquents. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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