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PrintableJanfriend said: VoicesCarry said: Beck - Midnight Vultures Radiohead - Kid A Paul Simon - You're The One Eminem - Marshall Mathers LP It just typefied the "let's give it to the old soft rock geezers" mentality. But wasn't the Backstreet Boys "Millennium" nominated for album of the year the year before? I mean that's how much credibility these awards have. [Edited 12/5/04 23:17pm] Uh, did you even hear Millennium? A friggin' masterpiece.  | |
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daddywhoLOVESpooping said: VoicesCarry said: He has succeeded on the backs of people predominantly in that lower pay bracket, people of color
Sorry, Stevie, only people I know who buy Eminem are confused white kids from the suburbs who don't know what real rap is. Black people are smarter than that. True in most respects, but you sound limited to whom you know. I'm almost positive that if you researched popular music trends (Rap in question) in relation to economic habitats and race habitats, you would find a stronger comparision to what you orignally assumed. Urban ghettos, suburbanites, and rural bastards are all aware of the numerous artists and various styles of music existing today. Unfortunately, the majority of music the average individual listens to is the commerical music. Whether it be rap (LL Cool J), jazz (Miles Davis), blues (Buddy Guy), rock (Aerosmith), surf (Dick Dale), reggae (Bob Marley), metal (Metallica), alternative (Green day), etc... So in conclusion, I strongly believe that both the, "confused white kids" from the suburbs and the "smarter" black kids listen to the same music generally in respect to commercial rap, ie; TuPac, R Kelly, Ememim, WuTang, Beastie Boys, Jay Z, etc... By the way, black people have been known to live in the suburbs too... just in case you were ignorant to the fact. I think you're drawing way too many conclusions from my post. Why did you make the quantum leap to "no black people in the suburbs."? Please tell me where I said this? (this goes for you, too, MrSquiggle). All I know (and that is what I was discussing - people I know) is that my black friends think Eminem is a complete joke, because they tend to know a lot more of rap's history, so they know what real rap music sounds like, and they don't settle for crap like Eminem. He's a complete joke to them. Maybe it's just a reflection of my area, but how is this "racist"? [Edited 12/6/04 5:37am] | |
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Hotlegs said: Fuck It, I am just going to speak my mind. I am glad that Stevie spoke his mind and set the media straight. Eminen needed to be put in his place. I say more power to Stevie. Right Oh Stevie.
  I agree with Stevie and Michael. I thought Eminem's "Just Lose It" is not only a bad song choice but makin fun of Michael Jackson is something he did on purpose...even b4 the album was born as he said on his interlude that he loves Michael Jackson and just said he hates the plastic surgeries....but still. I don't know..I still love Eminem cuz he is a good rapper, but he was wrong for that and got cool points doced down from me. Straight Jacket Funk Affair
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Cloudbuster said: VoicesCarry said: Two Against Nature, 2000. That was one of the funniest wins ever. It's a good album.   | |
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DavidEye said: I dare Eminem to say something bad about Stevie,or to spoof him in a video
he won't do that. eminem has a tendency to pick easy targets. | |
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but i am tired of celebs supporting michael jackson. let the jury decide before jumping on the bandwagon.every body makes fun of michael so i don't think it's racially motivated. the point is that eminem is beating a dead horse, he needs to make fun of someone who fights back-lol like courtney love. he's weak. if people ignore his ass(and 50 cent to) he won't have shit. [Edited 12/6/04 8:13am] | |
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heybaby said: but i am tired of celebs supporting michael jackson. i love michael jackson but something is going on with him. some of the things that he has said like "it's okay to share your bed with the ones you love" in reference to children that are not even his. i'm not saying i think he's guilty i don't know, and hopefully for he sake of those kids he's not.
that doesn't matter what stevie's talking about is you don't kick someone when their down in this i agree but it just wasn't a big deal not to callously punish eminem with more C.D. sales | |
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They were talking about this on the Tom Joyner Morning Show this morning. Jay Anthony Brown made a joke about "If Stevie ain't mad about The Secret Life of Plants you know this has got to be a fluke!"  | |
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Luv4oneanotha said: Cloudbuster said: It's a good album. Yes but Cloudy likes Invincible  | |
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Marrk said: jn2 said: I can't stand MJ but I' d would like if in the future Em's daughter becomes a crack addict whore and that a new artist makes fun of this in a video
what the hell is wrong with people? 
i don't like Eminem but damn!  I'm saying their is some vicious ass mofos...on here!!!! I can be opinionated about shit...but these cry baby sallies seem like they really loosing sleep over the matter...LOL. I am not African. Africa is in me, but I cannot return.
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VoicesCarry said: Luv4oneanotha said: Yes but Cloudy likes Invincible Lmfao you are right! | |
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Luv4oneanotha said: VoicesCarry said: Yes but Cloudy likes Invincible
Lmfao you are right!  | |
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Hats off to Stevie Wonder! Bravo! Andy is a four letter word. | |
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VoicesCarry said: Luv4oneanotha said: Screw that
The bastard is nominated for grammy For Just Lose it? WTF IS THAT ABOUT! i don't even care about what stevie said i just want somebody to explain that to me! No, they said he likely would be when the nominations are announced tomorrow. And how do you explain the Grammys. Steely Dan album of the year? There is no explanation. Steely Dan has made some of the best music ever! I DON'T WANT TO BE NORMAL,because normal is part of the status quo,which I don't want to be a part of- Tori Amos | |
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gypsyfire said: VoicesCarry said: No, they said he likely would be when the nominations are announced tomorrow. And how do you explain the Grammys. Steely Dan album of the year? There is no explanation. Steely Dan has made some of the best music ever! Yeah - in the 70's! | |
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VoicesCarry said: gypsyfire said: Steely Dan has made some of the best music ever! Yeah - in the 70's! Yeah,but most new music sucks when compared to the stuff the "old geezers" did back in the day so I'd rather see Steely Dan or Dylan or Stevie win awards every year than most of these booboos making records today. I DON'T WANT TO BE NORMAL,because normal is part of the status quo,which I don't want to be a part of- Tori Amos | |
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VoicesCarry said: gypsyfire said: Steely Dan has made some of the best music ever!
Yeah - in the 70's! Granted, their last truly great album was Gaucho in 1980. But for a comeback Two Against Nature was a solid set of songs. So much healthier than most rock veteran's efforts. Especially with it being their first album in 20 years. | |
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DavidEye said: pkidwell said: The poor blind geezer. His best days are behind him. That is what I mean by geezer. Kind of like Steely Dan. Sure they still kick ass live but they are not exactly making the kind of music that got them famous to begin with. Eminem is still going strong, fresh and new. I'm sure his day will come too and we'll be calling him a geezer.
Yes,Eminem is still going strong (in a commercial sense),but how many of his songs will be regarded as "classics" 25 years from now? Will people still be playing "Just Lose Yourself" in ten years? Will folks even care about him? Damn near EVERY Stevie Wonder single from the 70s is now righfully regarded as a "classic". Stevie's music has stood the test of time and you know why? Real music never goes out of style.Trends come and go,but let's see if Eminem becomes half the legend that Stevie is.Id rather listen to a multi-talented "old geezer" than a foul-mouthed rapper who must resort to shock tactics in order to sell records. ... [Edited 12/6/04 5:09am]  I DON'T WANT TO BE NORMAL,because normal is part of the status quo,which I don't want to be a part of- Tori Amos | |
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Cloudbuster said: VoicesCarry said: Yeah - in the 70's! Granted, their last truly great album was Gaucho in 1980. But for a comeback Two Against Nature was a solid set of songs. So much healthier than most rock veteran's efforts. Especially with it being their first album in 20 years. I'm not saying it was a bad record, but I am saying that it was quite a surprise (upset) that year when they won considering the competition (Beck and Radiohead, especially). | |
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VoicesCarry said: And how do you explain the Grammys. Steely Dan album of the year? There is no explanation. And here I thought we'd become friends. 
Would you have preferred The Marshall Mathers LP won? 
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Again. My point. Stevie had is day and is a living legend but is showing his age by commenting on that video. I think there should be more of videos like that. I mean how often does anyone talk about the lack of creativity in videos these days? MTV? How often are videos played anymore? Eminem has one of the best new videos out for Mosh and not many people have seen it! The comment about black people not liking Eminem is crap because a lot of my black friends love Eminem and they are true hip-hop fans. Eminem has already made classic rap songs and his new album has plenty more of them. But there is a difference between his classics and Stevie's classics. It is not fair to compare the two really. Both are equally talented. So what if Eminem can't play an instrument! Can Stevie rap or drop a dope beat? Did I say dope? Time to end this rant... | |
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theAudience said: VoicesCarry said: And how do you explain the Grammys. Steely Dan album of the year? There is no explanation. And here I thought we'd become friends.
Would you have preferred The Marshall Mathers LP won?
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http://www.soundclick.com...rmusic.htm See above post 
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theAudience said: VoicesCarry said: And how do you explain the Grammys. Steely Dan album of the year? There is no explanation. And here I thought we'd become friends.
Would you have preferred The Marshall Mathers LP won?
tA Tribal Disorder
http://www.soundclick.com...rmusic.htm no but steely dan? Album of the year? C'mon Thars right up there with Jethro Tull winning a metal Grammy its a WTF moment! | |
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Luv4oneanotha said: theAudience said: And here I thought we'd become friends.
Would you have preferred The Marshall Mathers LP won?
tA Tribal Disorder
http://www.soundclick.com...rmusic.htm no but steely dan? Album of the year? C'mon Thars right up there with Jethro Tull winning a metal Grammy its a WTF moment!
Oh shit, I remember that! But still (and I'm sure theAudience will agree ), any committee that nominates Backstreet Boys for album of the year cannot be taken seriously.
Or the fact that Britney has gotten two Best Female Pop Vocal Performance nominations. [Edited 12/6/04 10:41am] | |
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I don't know about the racist thing, but Stevie is right. This guy is just a sucker. He uses the big names to be part of the game. It is just sad and he won't be remembered. Don't believe the hype, days will go by and he will go away.
What is it about the grammys you are so upset? Who, except for the business people, needs it anyway? BlueNote | |
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Much respects, props and big ups to Stevie Wonder. | |
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VoicesCarry said: He has succeeded on the backs of people predominantly in that lower pay bracket, people of color
Sorry, Stevie, only people I know who buy Eminem are confused white kids from the suburbs who don't know what real rap is. Black people are smarter than that. Confused white kids from the suburbs? That's the same people who buy Westside Connection records, too. When the sunlight strikes raindrops in the air, they act as a prism and form a rainbow. The rainbow is a division of white light into many beautiful colors. Regardless of the day, I'm glad you were born. | |
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BlueNote said: I don't know about the racist thing, but Stevie is right. This guy is just a sucker. He uses the big names to be part of the game. It is just sad and he won't be remembered. Don't believe the hype, days will go by and he will go away.
What is it about the grammys you are so upset? Who, except for the business people, needs it anyway? BlueNote I beg do differ...he will be remembered...by half of you on here making a big stink over him now... I am not African. Africa is in me, but I cannot return.
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you only see him picking on singers and pop stars. if he's so bad, why don't he try to diss Nas or Jay-Z or somebody. he's a coward, plain and simple. if he's so good why doesn't he step his game up and go against some of the best. Britney, Christina, and Michael aren't rappers...how the hell are they gonna respond? And he has his own fucking issues to deal with. Why don't he rap about THAT shit. I really want somebody to blow his spot up. and it's sad that he has D12 and 50 Cent all up in his ass for a record deal. That's sad. I wouldn't stoop that low. I want to be a singer and all, but i'm not sucking Elton John's dick for a record deal any time soon. GlamSlamKid...The resident clown on Prince.orgy
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