VoicesCarry said:

honestly, i'd have more respect for Janet if she'd just fessed up and said "yeah, i did it on purpose." whether she apologized for it or not would be beside the point. people have been giving Justin Timberlake shit copping out, but Janet did as well and no one's called her a wimp over it.

and to bring this back to Madonna (insert thread-jacking pic here), she would've said "obviously i did it on purpose. fuck off."

if Janet's going to pull this kind of shit, she ought to stand by it. wimping out didn't help her. so she might as well have copped to it. and i'd have had more respect for her if she had.

GrayKing said:

Janet has said it was a mistake for her to apologize.

VoicesCarry said:

did she admitted to doing it on purpose yet? that's the main issue to me. if she admitted she did it on purpose, and then apologized, i'd understand. if she admitted to doing it on purpose, and then stood by it, i'd respect her more (even if the album still sucks). but calling it an accident, publicly apologizing, and then quietly saying she wished she hadn't apologized is pointless and wishy-washy.

she needs to grow a pair if that stunt and the last few albums are indicative of the kind of pop star she wants to be.

GrayKing said:

She said it was a mistake to apologize because it made it appear as if she did it on purpose.
[Edited 12/11/04 10:58am]

VoicesCarry said:

but she did do it on purpose. so she continues to be a pussy about it. ah, well. better luck next year, Janet.

estelle1981 said:

Fuck No,

It would probably be worse than Me against the Music. And besides, Madonna hates Janet.

jayaredee said:

actually, she doesn't. it seems to be the other way around.

GrayKing said:

ever watch Truth or Dare?

GrayKing said:

Janet dislikes Madonna because of Madonna's early-90s comments regarding Michael. On the DJ promo tour in Toronto, it was suggested that Janet and Madonna do a duet, and Janet laughed and politely declined.

The irony of people arguing back and forth about whose stunt was worse is that madonna is quoted in saying, "there are worse things on television than Janet flashing her breast." So even Madonna defends her

So shut up with this crap

And regarding Madonna and Janet they have 3 options according to me

1. Have a cat fight and let out their anger

2. Make a Sex book together with them in lesbian love

3. Kiss and make up like 2 adult women

jayaredee said:

yes. but that's hardly a scathing criticism of janet. she was only commenting on janet's Rhythm Nation-era fashion sense.

If i was in the music industry and had a brother like MJ, and Madonna said he should come out of the closet, i wouldn't be offended.

I mean, Madonna tried to get close to Michael, so she knows he's not really straight.
Janet is supposed to be a big gay icon and she did a bad thing by getting mad at Madonna for saying MJ is gay. that makes it seem like she doesn't like gay people

jayaredee said:

The whole family is very protective of each other. Madonna's public remarks were completely inappropriate, regardless of what his his orientation actually is. This is analogous to the popular blonde cheerleader at school "outing" your brother over the PA system, you know what I mean?

VoicesCarry said:

wow, we agree on something!

GrayKing said:

We agree on most everything except Janet's last four albums, it seems.

VoicesCarry said:

I think Janet's reaction of dissing Madonna's Sex Book and Album was more innapropriate.

jayaredee said:

Why? Same thing as saying the cheerleader's a skank ho. It's to be expected.

GrayKing said:

I think the point trying to be made here is that parents knew that the half-time show was produced by MTV waaay before the stunt even happened, so regardless of whether the Super Bowl was filmed on broadcast TV or cable TV was overlooked by parents who let their children watch a half-time show that was produced by a cable TV channel that these idiots supposedly don't let their children watch. Besides, like I had mentioned in a past post, millions of children saw Britney Spears' nipples waaay back in 2000 on Nickelodeon. Last time I checked, Nickelodeon was only available on cable TV and it's a children's network, so if Mrs. Spear...Federline...whatever, isn't getting crucified for that stunt, than neither should Janet. The network should have fined all of the performers for lawd behavior instead of just Janet. Plus, they did have a man who did whip out his dick at the Super Bowl and from articles I read on the incident, this guy had done the exact same thing at three previous Super Bowls, so his little stunt was just as planned as Nipplegate was. All I see is a bunch of bullshit double standards.

VoicesCarry said:

Well I think it shows what kind of person she is

Im accepting of hoes, skanks, gays, blacks and whites. They're all people
Why's it so hard to love one another

Move over Jacksons, the Ciccone's are coming through

jayaredee said:

It shows to me that she's defensive of her family.

Madonna on the other hand was always a nasty, spiteful bitch. It's what we love her for because she's larger than life. But it leaves her open to this sort of criticism. And if she were that cheerleader, well, we'd hate her fucking guts.

VoicesCarry said:

Die hard Janet fans misunderstand Madonna, it's sad

jayaredee said:

It's odd that you'd say that, considering I'm a die-hard Madonna fan, too. But I'm realistic about her personality. I think she's a brilliant, but rather cruel and harsh, woman.

VoicesCarry said:

She's hardly cruel, she just says as she feels and sometimes that hurts. She speaks the truth and sometimes the truth hurts.
I think she's a beautiful woman, and everything she has done has personally touched me and turned me into a better person.

A cruel, harsh, woman cannot raise 2 lovely children and write children's stories and have a healthy marriage.

Madonna has outed her own brother, and to my knowledge there's no bad ties there.
Coming out of the closet is tough, y'know, but you're not gay apparently so what would you know

jayaredee said:

Please don't make this into a "you're not one of us" issue. I have a gay brother and he was very mistreated in high school (it was rural, and the surrounding area was not, shall we say, hospitable), so I'm just very sensitive when people decide they should go and "out" other people. Even if everyone already knows, the difference between it being unspoken and spoken is huge.

I'm glad that Madonna has touched you. Her music has done the same to me. I don't agree with your assessment of her personality, but

jayaredee said:

True. And Janet hardly gives two sh*ts about the Material Girl. Go figure.

jayaredee said:

VoicesCarry said:

and Elton and Kylie

VoicesCarry said:

GrayKing just wants to win above all else, he already said that -- forsaking truth, logic, reason and better judgment.

You can debate until a newer version of your computer is available for retail.

JANFAN4L said:

i don't need to forsake those things. i have them on my side, in this case