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Reply #90 posted 12/05/04 8:03pm

Isel

GrayKing said:

let's keep in mind that there's a difference between the Sex book and Janet's titty at the Super Bowl.


one was a book covered 100% by the First Amendment, freedom of the press, etc.

the other was a television broadcast, something which the federal government can and does regulate, because it is the property of the people.

that's where the difference in the controversies lies and whatever reactions the government can and can't have to them.



Well then, obviously Janet's situation is more controversial and more infamous. That said, therein lies the complete hypocrisy of the American public and the irony of the situation: Janet only revealed her bejeweled breast for a brief second on network television while Madonna published an entire soft-porn book, featuring herself as a the star. Look, I'm not saying that is anything wrong with either one of them coz nudity and sex don't bother me in the least. But Janet's mistake, if not apparent misjudgment was not thoroughly researching FCC guidelines BEFORE she planned the stunt, if it was indeed planned at all. It's not like nudity doesn't exist in other contexts. But now the moral majority is using Janet as the poster-child for the "sexual" corruption of our youth when our youth have been corrupted long before viewing Janet's nipple-piercing.
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Reply #91 posted 12/05/04 8:08pm

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Isel said:

GrayKing said:

let's keep in mind that there's a difference between the Sex book and Janet's titty at the Super Bowl.


one was a book covered 100% by the First Amendment, freedom of the press, etc.

the other was a television broadcast, something which the federal government can and does regulate, because it is the property of the people.

that's where the difference in the controversies lies and whatever reactions the government can and can't have to them.



Well then, obviously Janet's situation is more controversial and more infamous. That said, therein lies the complete hypocrisy of the American public and the irony of the situation: Janet only revealed her bejeweled breast for a brief second on network television while Madonna published an entire soft-porn book, featuring herself as a the star. Look, I'm not saying that is anything wrong with either one of them coz nudity and sex don't bother me in the least. But Janet's mistake, if not apparent misjudgment was not thoroughly researching FCC guidelines BEFORE she planned the stunt, if it was indeed planned at all. It's not like nudity doesn't exist in other contexts. But now the moral majority is using Janet as the poster-child for the "sexual" corruption of our youth when our youth have been corrupted long before viewing Janet's nipple-piercing.


I don't believe it's a moral majority... as much as they claim... they happen to be the loudest and people follow the loudest speaker and think about their actions after.

THe "moral majority" also claims that gay marraige is wrecing the institution of marriage... even though gays can't get married in most states the divorce rate is over 50%.

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Reply #92 posted 12/05/04 8:09pm

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Isel said:

GrayKing said:

let's keep in mind that there's a difference between the Sex book and Janet's titty at the Super Bowl.


one was a book covered 100% by the First Amendment, freedom of the press, etc.

the other was a television broadcast, something which the federal government can and does regulate, because it is the property of the people.

that's where the difference in the controversies lies and whatever reactions the government can and can't have to them.



Well then, obviously Janet's situation is more controversial and more infamous. That said, therein lies the complete hypocrisy of the American public and the irony of the situation: Janet only revealed her bejeweled breast for a brief second on network television while Madonna published an entire soft-porn book, featuring herself as a the star. Look, I'm not saying that is anything wrong with either one of them coz nudity and sex don't bother me in the least. But Janet's mistake, if not apparent misjudgment was not thoroughly researching FCC guidelines BEFORE she planned the stunt, if it was indeed planned at all. It's not like nudity doesn't exist in other contexts. But now the moral majority is using Janet as the poster-child for the "sexual" corruption of our youth when our youth have been corrupted long before viewing Janet's nipple-piercing.




well, the problem with comparing them is if you wanted the Sex book, you had to seek it out. it was wrapped in mylar, you had to ask them to get it for you from behind the counter at the book store and show ID to buy it.

Janet did it on the most-watched broadcast television event of the year, and it was unexpected, to say the least.
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Reply #93 posted 12/05/04 8:10pm

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remind me again why love me was left off the album in favor of love me for a little awhile?
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Reply #94 posted 12/05/04 8:12pm

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ehuffnsd said:

remind me again why love me was left off the album in favor of love me for a little awhile?



Just For A Little While is the shit.


the remix version is good too, and probably would have fit with the other material better. but then, that's the problem with the album, it all sounds the same anyway (although the dance version is probably better than any of the other tracks on the album too, barring the original).
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Reply #95 posted 12/05/04 8:16pm

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GrayKing said:

Isel said:




Well then, obviously Janet's situation is more controversial and more infamous. That said, therein lies the complete hypocrisy of the American public and the irony of the situation: Janet only revealed her bejeweled breast for a brief second on network television while Madonna published an entire soft-porn book, featuring herself as a the star. Look, I'm not saying that is anything wrong with either one of them coz nudity and sex don't bother me in the least. But Janet's mistake, if not apparent misjudgment was not thoroughly researching FCC guidelines BEFORE she planned the stunt, if it was indeed planned at all. It's not like nudity doesn't exist in other contexts. But now the moral majority is using Janet as the poster-child for the "sexual" corruption of our youth when our youth have been corrupted long before viewing Janet's nipple-piercing.




well, the problem with comparing them is if you wanted the Sex book, you had to seek it out. it was wrapped in mylar, you had to ask them to get it for you from behind the counter at the book store and show ID to buy it.

Janet did it on the most-watched broadcast television event of the year, and it was unexpected, to say the least.


True, but let's not act like Maddy wasn't all over the place slutting it up and trying to be the next Monroe crossed with a porn star.
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Reply #96 posted 12/05/04 8:20pm

Isel

ehuffnsd said:

Isel said:

I didn't read the Blender interview,but I'm not sure if Janet is overtly trying to compete with Britney. I just think that Janet may have matured more slowly than some of these other young artists. At Britney's age, for example, Janet was covering up her body in military type costumes. and singing socially conscious songs. The funny thing is that unlike other artists, Janet seemed to have matured more quickly in some respects and not in others. Maybe now Janet wants to explore her sexual side because she was too shy and less confident before. Obviously, I'm just speculating, but Janet does seem to be a bit different from the Britney's and the Beyonce's because she was so sheltered in her youth. So I would like to give Janet the freedom to be who she is regardless of age. She can't please everyone;that's for sure. But without a doubt, there were some people who DID appreciate Damita Jo in spite of "nipplegate" and other criticisms. So maybe the cd wasn't an bullseye "hit," but it wasn't a complete "miss" either.


I think Janet saw many things many of us have never seen or done before we hit 16 or 17. Didn't she go to her brother's bday party in Studio 54?

She was married before she was 20.

She has been exploring her sexuality since the janet. album that came out in 93 11 years ago. I agree with the afore mentioned comment about being burt with the Velvet Rope Album and going to safe terriotry for A4U and trying to repeat with DJ.


That might be true in regard to her experiences, but I'm talking about her body image and her confidence. Let's see...11 years ago that makes Janet 27 and Britney is now only 23? Once again, as I said,at Britney's age Janet was addressing more complex issues in her music than Britney has had the chance to think about.
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Reply #97 posted 12/05/04 8:41pm

VoicesCarry

Isel said:

ehuffnsd said:



I think Janet saw many things many of us have never seen or done before we hit 16 or 17. Didn't she go to her brother's bday party in Studio 54?

She was married before she was 20.

She has been exploring her sexuality since the janet. album that came out in 93 11 years ago. I agree with the afore mentioned comment about being burt with the Velvet Rope Album and going to safe terriotry for A4U and trying to repeat with DJ.


That might be true in regard to her experiences, but I'm talking about her body image and her confidence. Let's see...11 years ago that makes Janet 27 and Britney is now only 23? Once again, as I said,at Britney's age Janet was addressing more complex issues in her music than Britney has had the chance to think about.


Yes but Britney looks 35.
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Reply #98 posted 12/05/04 10:23pm

Stripe

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Stripe said:

Does anybody know anything about Janet remasters? Control? Rhythm Nation 1814?

hmmm


None are currently up for remastering, but they should be in a few more years. L*rd knows, I'd love to get Control and RN1814 remastered with some bonus tracks. ::salivating::


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Reply #99 posted 12/05/04 10:29pm

VoicesCarry

Stripe said:

JANFAN4L said:



None are currently up for remastering, but they should be in a few more years. L*rd knows, I'd love to get Control and RN1814 remastered with some bonus tracks. ::salivating::


Thanx 4 Ur reply! biggrin
If U say I believe! biggrin
We must wait... sad


I want the original damn LP version of Alright on there (not the 6:30 version on the CD). It sounded close to the 7'' Remix but had a longer intro.
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Reply #100 posted 12/05/04 11:19pm

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VoicesCarry said:

GrayKing said:





well, the problem with comparing them is if you wanted the Sex book, you had to seek it out. it was wrapped in mylar, you had to ask them to get it for you from behind the counter at the book store and show ID to buy it.

Janet did it on the most-watched broadcast television event of the year, and it was unexpected, to say the least.


True, but let's not act like Maddy wasn't all over the place slutting it up and trying to be the next Monroe crossed with a porn star.



oh, i'm not. and she's had to deal with it, even to this day. whenever one of these stupid children's books comes out, the first line in every article is "her first book was the coffee table slutfest Sex blah blah blah"

just pointing out technicalities for some who may not know the difference between the cases and how one can be up for reprimand by the gov't, and the other can't.
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Reply #101 posted 12/06/04 12:37am

DavidEye

I knew Madonna's name would pop up in this thread lol
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Reply #102 posted 12/06/04 2:30am

DavidEye

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the website is like a ghost town...no news, no updates. i'm guessing all the talk of a tour after the election was just that, only talk. oh well.



I thought Janet was planning a 2005 tour with Ciara as the opening act? confuse


I'm sure she just wants to put 2004 behind her and move on.
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Reply #103 posted 12/06/04 3:56am

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ok what im concluding is that madonna didthe movies and crap that made her innocent again and more mature.so what i think janet should od is go find a nice role 2 play and not a family movie but a more mature role that she can prove herself that she can move on with life and not still be mopping around about a bastard pulling a tit or 2
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Reply #104 posted 12/06/04 1:12pm

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GrayKing said:

ehuffnsd said:

remind me again why love me was left off the album in favor of love me for a little awhile?



Just For A Little While is the shit.


the remix version is good too, and probably would have fit with the other material better. but then, that's the problem with the album, it all sounds the same anyway (although the dance version is probably better than any of the other tracks on the album too, barring the original).


I'd hardly say it was the shit. It was good but the "remix" (it really didn't feel like a remix, more like a whole new song) was really hot.
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Reply #105 posted 12/06/04 1:26pm

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Reply #106 posted 12/06/04 1:31pm

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GrayKing said:




Just For A Little While is the shit.


the remix version is good too, and probably would have fit with the other material better. but then, that's the problem with the album, it all sounds the same anyway (although the dance version is probably better than any of the other tracks on the album too, barring the original).


I'd hardly say it was the shit. It was good but the "remix" (it really didn't feel like a remix, more like a whole new song) was really hot.



yeah, the "remix" was hot.... but the album could have done with a few more "adventurous" songs like Just A Little While that didn't sound like the same song over and over.
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Reply #107 posted 12/06/04 1:59pm

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Yeah, Just a Little While is the standout song. Too bad it comes about 20 minutes after I've gotten sick of the disc.
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Reply #108 posted 12/07/04 6:25am

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I remember months ago,before this CD was released,I predicted that Janet would finally suffer a backlash.Not necessarily because of Nipplegate (lol),but just because that's how the business works.Every artist who has been successful for a long time eventually experiences this.And with the problems that her brother is going through,Janet probably should have seen this coming.But that's all the more reason why she should have came up with something new,bold and exciting,instead of just another sex-themed R&B album.
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Reply #109 posted 12/07/04 6:27am

DavidEye

Xagain said:

Yeah, Just a Little While is the standout song. Too bad it comes about 20 minutes after I've gotten sick of the disc.



I agree,"Just A Little While" is an outstanding song.It totally kills all the other tracks on the album.
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Reply #110 posted 12/07/04 10:35am

VoicesCarry

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I remember months ago,before this CD was released,I predicted that Janet would finally suffer a backlash.Not necessarily because of Nipplegate (lol),but just because that's how the business works.Every artist who has been successful for a long time eventually experiences this.And with the problems that her brother is going through,Janet probably should have seen this coming.But that's all the more reason why she should have came up with something new,bold and exciting,instead of just another sex-themed R&B album.
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I don't remember you being that prescient. I remember you being really negative because you "knew" she was doing "another sex album", though.

BTW, did your crystal ball predict Madonna's backlash too? wink
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Reply #111 posted 12/07/04 11:16am

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VoicesCarry said:

DavidEye said:

I remember months ago,before this CD was released,I predicted that Janet would finally suffer a backlash.Not necessarily because of Nipplegate (lol),but just because that's how the business works.Every artist who has been successful for a long time eventually experiences this.And with the problems that her brother is going through,Janet probably should have seen this coming.But that's all the more reason why she should have came up with something new,bold and exciting,instead of just another sex-themed R&B album.
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I don't remember you being that prescient. I remember you being really negative because you "knew" she was doing "another sex album", though.

BTW, did your crystal ball predict Madonna's backlash too? wink



you don't need a crystal ball to predict that... it's part of the cycle that's been repeating for 22 years...

but still did the biggest tour of the year.... wait a min the backlash was 2003
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Reply #112 posted 12/07/04 11:19am

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theVelvetRoper said:



I love Damita Jo.



when you name yourself after one of her albums, i guess you're obligated to like them no matter what. shrug


Actually, no, so don't put words in my mouth.
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Reply #113 posted 12/07/04 1:17pm

JANFAN4L

VoicesCarry said:

DavidEye said:

I remember months ago,before this CD was released,I predicted that Janet would finally suffer a backlash.Not necessarily because of Nipplegate (lol),but just because that's how the business works.Every artist who has been successful for a long time eventually experiences this.And with the problems that her brother is going through,Janet probably should have seen this coming.But that's all the more reason why she should have came up with something new,bold and exciting,instead of just another sex-themed R&B album.
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I don't remember you being that prescient. I remember you being really negative because you "knew" she was doing "another sex album", though.

BTW, did your crystal ball predict Madonna's backlash too? wink


LOL!!
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Reply #114 posted 12/07/04 7:18pm

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VoicesCarry said:

DavidEye said:

I remember months ago,before this CD was released,I predicted that Janet would finally suffer a backlash.Not necessarily because of Nipplegate (lol),but just because that's how the business works.Every artist who has been successful for a long time eventually experiences this.And with the problems that her brother is going through,Janet probably should have seen this coming.But that's all the more reason why she should have came up with something new,bold and exciting,instead of just another sex-themed R&B album.
[Edited 12/7/04 6:27am]


I don't remember you being that prescient. I remember you being really negative because you "knew" she was doing "another sex album", though.

BTW, did your crystal ball predict Madonna's backlash too? wink



i did. though probably not here.
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Reply #115 posted 12/08/04 12:38am

DavidEye

VoicesCarry said:

DavidEye said:

I remember months ago,before this CD was released,I predicted that Janet would finally suffer a backlash.Not necessarily because of Nipplegate (lol),but just because that's how the business works.Every artist who has been successful for a long time eventually experiences this.And with the problems that her brother is going through,Janet probably should have seen this coming.But that's all the more reason why she should have came up with something new,bold and exciting,instead of just another sex-themed R&B album.
[Edited 12/7/04 6:27am]


I don't remember you being that prescient. I remember you being really negative because you "knew" she was doing "another sex album", though.

BTW, did your crystal ball predict Madonna's backlash too? wink



In the weeks before the release of 'Damita Jo',I correctly predicted that she would suffer a media backlash.I knew the project was doomed when one of the producers (Dallas Austin) remarked that the album would "explore Janet's sexuality" (or something to that effect),as if that's something new and unique for Janet...lol...

As for Madonna's backlash,it's just like I said earlier.EVERY artist who has been successful for a long time experiences a backlash at some point.But isn't this thread supposed to be about Janet? confuse lol
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Reply #116 posted 12/08/04 2:18am

VoicesCarry

DavidEye said:

VoicesCarry said:



I don't remember you being that prescient. I remember you being really negative because you "knew" she was doing "another sex album", though.

BTW, did your crystal ball predict Madonna's backlash too? wink



In the weeks before the release of 'Damita Jo',I correctly predicted that she would suffer a media backlash.I knew the project was doomed when one of the producers (Dallas Austin) remarked that the album would "explore Janet's sexuality" (or something to that effect),as if that's something new and unique for Janet...lol...

As for Madonna's backlash,it's just like I said earlier.EVERY artist who has been successful for a long time experiences a backlash at some point.But isn't this thread supposed to be about Janet? confuse lol


It didn't take much to predict this "media backlash" considering you had a month after the SuperBowl to do so. wink
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Reply #117 posted 12/08/04 2:30am

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VoicesCarry said:

DavidEye said:




In the weeks before the release of 'Damita Jo',I correctly predicted that she would suffer a media backlash.I knew the project was doomed when one of the producers (Dallas Austin) remarked that the album would "explore Janet's sexuality" (or something to that effect),as if that's something new and unique for Janet...lol...

As for Madonna's backlash,it's just like I said earlier.EVERY artist who has been successful for a long time experiences a backlash at some point.But isn't this thread supposed to be about Janet? confuse lol


It didn't take much to predict this "media backlash" considering you had a month after the SuperBowl to do so. wink



True,but even if that scandal had never happened,I still think she would have suffered a backlash.You could say she was "due" for a backlash,since she had many,many years of solid success.And let's not kid ourselves,when you're basically just doing the same thing over and over,critics and fans aren't gonna be supportive forever boxed
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Reply #118 posted 12/08/04 3:43am

VoicesCarry

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VoicesCarry said:



It didn't take much to predict this "media backlash" considering you had a month after the SuperBowl to do so. wink



True,but even if that scandal had never happened,I still think she would have suffered a backlash.You could say she was "due" for a backlash,since she had many,many years of solid success.And let's not kid ourselves,when you're basically just doing the same thing over and over,critics and fans aren't gonna be supportive forever boxed
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If All Nite (Don't Stop) had been the first single and there had been no Super Bowl, the record would have been huge, sorry. There were enough good singles on there for it to have longeivity at radio.
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Reply #119 posted 12/08/04 4:00am

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VoicesCarry said:

DavidEye said:




True,but even if that scandal had never happened,I still think she would have suffered a backlash.You could say she was "due" for a backlash,since she had many,many years of solid success.And let's not kid ourselves,when you're basically just doing the same thing over and over,critics and fans aren't gonna be supportive forever boxed
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If All Nite (Don't Stop) had been the first single and there had been no Super Bowl, the record would have been huge, sorry. There were enough good singles on there for it to have longeivity at radio.
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Hardly.....
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