Cloudbuster said:

anyone heard the fantastic "we've had enough" yet? I was shocked to c Rodney jerkins co wrote and produced this track.....now he gets even bigger props as he obviously understands lots of different musical sides of MJ as this song is not like the uptempo's off "invincible".....Rodney knows him well and he proves it on this song!

Teddy only did pure pop songs with Michael and the same with Jam/lewis! R kelly only did ballads with him and only Quincy and maybe Billy Botrell did a number of different sort of songs with MJ! Rodney proves he can do this too on this track! Mike should stick with Rodney for at least a couple of tracks.....I hate his other work, but him and MJ work well together!

This song is typical huge production Michael, shoula replaced "lost children" but never mind!

Rodney can be versatile then!

To answer the prevailing question: yes, that is the same Pharrell on "Rump Shaker". The first songs I ever saw that mentioned Chad and Pharrell were from Teddy's camp 10-15 years ago. They basically interned with Teddy -- and IMO are now far more versatile.

To answer the original question: The best producer to ever work with Michael is Michael. Quincy is a close second.

Rodney Jerkins doesn't impress me very much. I consider him a one-trick pony. The tracks I really liked from Invincible were, for the most part, produced by other artists (Dr. Freeze, Andre Harris from Touch of Jazz).

Teddy Riley's probably the best choice of the producers listed here; Dangerous is one of my favorite MJ albums. I wouldn't count Jam & Lewis out yet; I think they need more time to work with Michael to really produce something special. I think R. Kelly and Michael do some great work together, and I would love to see Michael work with The Neptunes.

I just hope Michael stays as far away from Kanye West as possible (I find the guy absolutely laughable -- perhaps I'll hear something from him in the future that changes my opinion).

thesexofit said:

'We've had enough' kicks major buttage, i'm very tempted to say it's the best song i've heard all year. great lyrics, great vocals, awesome production.

Interestingly it's the first song he's recorded since his arrest. It comes across.

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I thought it was a leftover off "invincible"? Carol Bayer sager is credited and she died a few years back? Maybe he finished it at a later date or something?

I gotta download the lyrics.....some of the words i cannot hear properly....must be awsome on headphones!

thesexofit said:

Check this article out i posted (that nobody responded to )

the first half deals with 'We've Had Enough', it states there it's a 2004 joint.
http://www.prince.org/msg/8/123038
[Edited 11/25/04 14:02pm]

thesexofit said:

Pharrel did a lot of work on Jodeci's albums and SWV's first album (Thats' him singing on "Right Here"! u can't miss the voice. He said Teddy Riley tool alot of his credit

I love "right here" (the human nature remix).....hmmm, maybe teddy did take credit? Never been known to do so before though? He gave about 10 people credit on rump shaker so he does not seem greedy to me?

i think mj needs to incorporate live musicians but also use electric sounds organically (ala bjork)...thats why i would like to see mj work with someone like matmo....

did i spell that right?