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Reply #90 posted 11/18/04 7:38am

sextonseven

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Mazerati said:


anway all i know is before Nirvana came out i liked 80% of the stuff that was out there...after they arrived that percentage went down to like 10%


80% of what was out there before Nirvana was hair-metal and pop-rap.

But if you really liked music like Poison and MC Hammer then I can understand why you'd be upset.
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Reply #91 posted 11/18/04 7:52am

CinisterCee

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"Oh, shit, Ray's dead, we gotta put him in there!"


nod that's EXACTLY how I see alot of, not just publications but, people's lists formed.
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Reply #92 posted 11/18/04 7:59am

LightOfArt

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LightOfArt said:



so you think they are great but you dont like them? razz


I think I explained myself with the sentence that followed, smarty. wink What I see as great doesn't make it so to a group of people.


I know I was just kidding around. don't mind me smile
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Reply #93 posted 11/18/04 9:10am

Cloudbuster

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daddywhoLOVESpooping said:

What is this...? This must be somebodys list, but not mine. Here's my damn list... shit
    ."What A Wonderful World"
    "I Heard It Through the Grapevine"
    "White Room"
    "The Thrill is Gone"
    "Mannish Boy"
    "My Generation"
    "Stayin' Alive"
    "November Rain"
    "Back in Black"
    "Dazed and Confused"


Always overlooked.
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Reply #94 posted 11/18/04 9:20am

VoicesCarry

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you know what - on second thought, maybe i DON'T want nirvana on this wack top ten list, even though they single-handedly upped the ante for the quality of pop music when they came out and they wrote cool lyrics and perfectly summed up the way a lot of kids were feeling at the time...i just remembered, if it wasn't for nirvana, prince probably wouldn't have dressed in that dumb sleeveless flannel shirt or done that stagedive in the video for "the morning papers" - i blame prince's brief yet horribly silly flirtation with the grunge look on nirvana. SHAME. no no no!


eek Well, that's certainly open to debate.
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Reply #95 posted 11/18/04 9:32am

CinisterCee

c'mon Voices, Nirvana topped Michael Jackson that year with Nevermind, don't you remember all that? "Grunge" might be a corny name for the movement, but "Smells Like Teen Spirit" changed the game on 'em. And spoke to alot of people. nod Alot of people.
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Reply #96 posted 11/18/04 9:59am

Anxiety

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eek Well, that's certainly open to debate.




here we go again...lol
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Reply #97 posted 11/18/04 10:08am

BinaryJustin

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minneapolisgenius said:

I can't believe "Smells Like Teen Spirit" is in the top ten. neutral


It deserves its placing. I remember experiencing first-hand the impact this song made. Hair-metal was made instantly obsolete and people starting looking at each other scratching their heads wondering who "Generation X" are.


I never found Nirvana to be life-changing nor noticed any shift in popular culture. Well, not in the UK anyway.
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Reply #98 posted 11/18/04 10:30am

Harlepolis

I don't get the obsession about deadbeat Dylan & scatter-brained Rollingstones..

Fuck them, fuck all of them and fuck that magazine.

Where the hell is Duke Ellington? Damn, where's Lady Day and her 1st PROTEST song "Strange Fruit"? Shit, where is Miles Davis,,,,where's Satchmo,,,,and where is Bessie Smith.

Damn,,I'm really hurt neutral
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Reply #99 posted 11/18/04 10:32am

Anxiety

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I don't get the obsession about deadbeat Dylan & scatter-brained Rollingstones..

Fuck them, fuck all of them and fuck that magazine.

Where the hell is Duke Ellington? Damn, where's Lady Day and her 1st PROTEST song "Strange Fruit"? Shit, where is Miles Davis,,,,where's Satchmo,,,,and where is Bessie Smith.

Damn,,I'm really hurt neutral


i think they were trying to keep the songs "rock era" so as to further appeal to their demographic.

yeah, i know - it's crap!
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Reply #100 posted 11/18/04 10:36am

Harlepolis

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Harlepolis said:

I don't get the obsession about deadbeat Dylan & scatter-brained Rollingstones..

Fuck them, fuck all of them and fuck that magazine.

Where the hell is Duke Ellington? Damn, where's Lady Day and her 1st PROTEST song "Strange Fruit"? Shit, where is Miles Davis,,,,where's Satchmo,,,,and where is Bessie Smith.

Damn,,I'm really hurt neutral


i think they were trying to keep the songs "rock era" so as to further appeal to their demographic.

yeah, i know - it's crap!


Fuck rock & roll till its asshole get black & blue mad

Rock & Roll would be a lost sperm without those people. And speaking of Rock & Roll, where the fuck is Chucky Berry & Lil' Richard's names? I reall wish I could put my hands on whoever wrote that piece of shit.

Damn damn daaaaamn disbelief
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Reply #101 posted 11/18/04 10:38am

Anxiety

Harlepolis said:

Anxiety said:



i think they were trying to keep the songs "rock era" so as to further appeal to their demographic.

yeah, i know - it's crap!


Fuck rock & roll till its asshole get black & blue mad

Rock & Roll would be a lost sperm without those people. And speaking of Rock & Roll, where the fuck is Chucky Berry & Lil' Richard's names? I reall wish I could put my hands on whoever wrote that piece of shit.

Damn damn daaaaamn disbelief


ask most of the artists on that top ten list who their influences are, and they'd probably list the people you think deserve to be on that list. nod
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Reply #102 posted 11/18/04 10:38am

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VoicesCarry said:

Smells Like Teen Spirit? You have GOT to be fucking kidding me disbelief

How long will the critcs keep blowing Kurt Cobain's corpse?
[Edited 11/17/04 15:35pm]


clapping pout
It was not in vain...it was in Minneapolis!
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Reply #103 posted 11/18/04 10:49am

JonSnow

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RipHer2Shreds said:



I think I explained myself with the sentence that followed, smarty. wink What I see as great doesn't make it so to a group of people.


i understand what RH2S is saying. there's music out there that i don't like, but i realize it has an important place in the history of pop music.

perfect example: the smiths and morrissey. hate 'em. H-A-T-E them. morrissey's voice to me is like fingernails on chalkboard, and really, i don't think the music's terribly interesting or memorable. however, i can appreciate their style and asthetic and i think morrissey's a pretty decent lyricist and i can see that they have lots of fans and that they've influenced a lot of other artists. so while i may not like them, i can't make the conclusion that i don't like them, therefore they suck. i just know i don't like to listen to them.

on the other hand, i completely freakin' ADORE the xanadu soundtrack. i think every song on that album is completely wonderful. but am i going to say it should be regarded as some all-time classic album? hell, no! lol i understand that it's cheese, and i love it because it's cheese, but i'd choose it over the smiths anyday!

there's a big difference between our subjective tastes and what we might opt to accept on a more objective level. i think that's what RipHer was saying.



you are so correct. I have alot of stuff that I LOVE to listen to, but I recognize it for what it is - fun pop trash.

Now, there are things that I understand have artistic value, that i can't abide... like Natalie Merchant/10000 Maniacs for example... ICK. You'd have to pay me to sit through one of their albums. It's Natalie's voice, and her attitude. Don't ask me why. But I understand they touch alot of people, and they are undeniably talented.

Nirvana changed the direction of rock music, and Smells Like Teen Spirit was not just a gust, but a GALE FORCE WIND of fresh air that swept through the music industry. It deserves its spot in the Top 10, no question.
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Reply #104 posted 11/18/04 11:24am

andyman91

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Harlepolis said:

Anxiety said:



i think they were trying to keep the songs "rock era" so as to further appeal to their demographic.

yeah, i know - it's crap!


Fuck rock & roll till its asshole get black & blue mad

Rock & Roll would be a lost sperm without those people. And speaking of Rock & Roll, where the fuck is Chucky Berry & Lil' Richard's names? I reall wish I could put my hands on whoever wrote that piece of shit.

Damn damn daaaaamn disbelief


Chuck Berry's #7

There's no need to be personally hurt by what one rock magazine said. It aint law, & it ain't gospel.

If Down Beat did a list you can guarantee that The Stones & Dylan would be nowhere men.
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Reply #105 posted 11/18/04 11:34am

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Mazerati said:

JANFAN4L said:


9. "Smells Like Teen Spirit"
Nirvana

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YEAA RIIIGHTT give me a fucking break!...i dont get the love affair critics have had with Nirvana....this song SUCKS....you can't understand a fucking thing Kurt Cocaine is saying...its just a loud piece of trash that started the ball rolling for more SHIT grunge bands.....#9 greatest song of all time MY ASS
[Edited 11/18/04 6:50am]

Eh. Most people can't understand the lyrics to "Louie Louie" either, but it's STILL a damn great record!
This post not for the wimp contingent. All whiny wusses avert your eyes.
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Reply #106 posted 11/18/04 1:11pm

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Reply #107 posted 11/18/04 1:15pm

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I must be the only one that finds some justice in Dylan at the nr. one spot..
Bob Dylan forever! cool
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Reply #108 posted 11/18/04 1:25pm

kisscamille

jkj10 said:

I must be the only one that finds some justice in Dylan at the nr. one spot..
Bob Dylan forever! cool


You're not the only one my friend lol Dylan is the master songwriter and deserves every single accolade he gets. Long live Mr. Zimmerman!!
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Reply #109 posted 11/18/04 1:57pm

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Anxiety said:

sextonseven said:



It deserves its placing. I remember experiencing first-hand the impact this song made. Hair-metal was made instantly obsolete and people starting looking at each other scratching their heads wondering who "Generation X" are. Of course, it all went sour after that what with flannel appearing on fashion runways and third-rate grunge bands being signed left and right, but pop culture was changed dramatically all because of this one song (and video).

I repeat, it deserves its placing.


Co-sign. That song was a monumental breath of fresh air during a time when pop music was in a REALLY bleak place. The success of that song opened up doors for so many bands that were just thought of at the time as "weird", and if it weren't for Nirvana's success, a bunch of the bands we think of as "pop" today would probably still be shuffled to the sidelines as "those weird alternative bands". Some of this may be due to music industry weaselry, but a lot of it had to do with the fact that Nirvana had just plain created an undeniably good pop album, and they had the world's attention.

Yeah, put Kurt on some lists. The boomer-era pop legends don't have to have ALL the fun, after all.



woot! Go Kurt! biggrin
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Reply #110 posted 11/18/04 2:50pm

RipHer2Shreds

Harlepolis said:

Anxiety said:



i think they were trying to keep the songs "rock era" so as to further appeal to their demographic.

yeah, i know - it's crap!


Fuck rock & roll till its asshole get black & blue mad

Well, jinkies. That leaves Prince with a sore ass and nothing to show for it...again. He's all rock & roll.

I do understand what you're saying, but like Anxiety said - it's rock & roll. If it weren't, I'm right there with you; Bessy Smith is one of my favorite singers ever. Love how her voice emoted every note she sang. On a side note...still waiting on that damn movie about her. I don't think it's ever gonna come out!
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Reply #111 posted 11/18/04 4:21pm

Pagey

These lists are a joke. BUT, with that said, I agree with most of that list. Like a Rolling Stone is a killer song...the lyrics alone are a justifiable reason for its position. The only song I don't think belongs there...Smells Like Teen Spirit. I do love the song and it had enormous impact at the time BUT over Stairway to Heaven? Bohemian Rapsody? Born to Run? My Generation? The Weight? One? Something? or yes Purple Rain? NO WAY!!
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Reply #112 posted 11/18/04 4:51pm

Mazerati

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sextonseven said:

Mazerati said:


anway all i know is before Nirvana came out i liked 80% of the stuff that was out there...after they arrived that percentage went down to like 10%


80% of what was out there before Nirvana was hair-metal and pop-rap.

But if you really liked music like Poison and MC Hammer then I can understand why you'd be upset.


actually im not affraid to admit i liked hair metal..the music was fun the girls were hot and it was just a cool time...so u can understand how the change to grunge really changed music for me
Check it out ...Shiny Toy Guns R gonna blowup VERY soon and bring melody back to music..you heard it here 1st! http://www.myspacecomment...theone.mp3
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Reply #113 posted 11/18/04 4:57pm

DMSR88

Pagey, you are right. This list is a fucking joke. The editors at Rolling Stone really suck ass, big time, and the people who compiled the list can go somewhere.

I got the issue today. How the fuck does OutKast's "Hey Ya" place at 180, when Candle In The Wind, Free Bird, Sweet Home Alabama (which is somewhere in the 200's I believe, too lazy to check right now, and deserves a higher standing because it is one of the most played, most known, anthemic southern tune that is in the top 10 songs that most all guitar players should recognize), Kiss (be Prince) and many other great rock tunes??? It's madness.

But Prince made the list 6 times, with "Doves" being his highest standing (forget the position... again, too lazy and will post later), and the others I believe were: "1999", "SOTT", "LRC", "Purple Rain" and "Kiss". At least Prince beat out that King Of Poop Michael 'Guilty' Jackson. I think he only had 2 songs on the list, once again backing up why our man is the TRUE King Of Pop.
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Reply #114 posted 11/18/04 6:43pm

Supernova

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I think he only had 2 songs on the list, once again backing up why our man is the TRUE King Of Pop.

Personally, I'm glad that title was never bestowed on Prince. Good gawd.
This post not for the wimp contingent. All whiny wusses avert your eyes.
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Reply #115 posted 11/19/04 1:06am

mrdespues

Mazerati said:

mrdespues said:

I knew some of of you doofuses would have to say something negative about Nirvana being in there. They most definitely deserve their place.


speaking of doofs it figures you would like them



Awww, ain't it a shame. razz

And to think you were OH so apologetic to me last time when you spoke bad of me cause I like Nirvana.

disbelief
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Reply #116 posted 11/19/04 2:08am

Mazerati

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mrdespues said:

Mazerati said:



speaking of doofs it figures you would like them



Awww, ain't it a shame. razz

And to think you were OH so apologetic to me last time when you spoke bad of me cause I like Nirvana.

disbelief


no i apologized for the stupid thing i said about Kurt Cobains suicide but i still dislike them with a passion wink
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Reply #117 posted 12/12/04 9:23am

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"Imagine" was not John Lennon's best song no way!.....I hate the way people seem to be so in love with it.....a track like "mind games" or "jealous girl" is so much better!

Where is "u can't touch this" anyway? Bloody Hammer haters!
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