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Reply #60 posted 11/23/04 12:09pm

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DavidEye said:

There is a new book called "Redemption: The Truth Behind The Michael Jackson Child Molestation Allegations" by Geraldine Hughes.Has anybody read it yet? What does it say?


Basically what the GQ '94 Was Michael Jackson Framed? article said. But in more detail.
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Reply #61 posted 12/06/04 7:21pm

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Another important article

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA...033&page=1

Documents May Challenge Credibility of Jackson Accuser's Mother

Allegations Made Against Victim's Father Parallel Some Jackson Charges


Oct. 11, 2004 — Michael Jackson's defense team has said the mother of his alleged child molestation victim has made false claims and told the judge that she once accused her ex-husband of crimes that parallel some of the charges "The King of Pop" faces. ABC News has exclusively obtained police reports in which the alleged victim's mother details those accusations against her husband.

Jackson, 46, is accused of molesting a now-14-year-old boy who spent time at his Neverland ranch and is believed to be a cancer survivor who appeared last year in the British documentary Living With Michael Jackson. He has pleaded not guilty to 10 charges that include felony conspiracy with 28 overt acts involving child abduction, false imprisonment, and extortion. The conspiracy charge against Jackson refers to his alleged attempts through associates to quiet the alleged victim and his family.

The father of Jackson's alleged victim pleaded no contest to spousal abuse in 2001 and child cruelty in 2002 and has been barred from seeing his children. He and the alleged victim's mother have continued to battle over the issue as he lost a bid earlier this year to regain child visitation rights. In a police report filed in 2001 during their bitter divorce, the alleged victim's mother accused her husband of child molestation, telling police she saw him touch their daughter inappropriately when she was 3 or 4 years old.

In the same report, the daughter also accused the father of false imprisonment for allegedly locking her "inside his vehicle against her will." One report alleged that the father told his daughter that if she yelled he would kill Jackson's alleged victim (her brother) and the whole family. In the Jackson case, the alleged victim's younger brother has said one of Jackson's associates allegedly threatened to kill him and his family if he told anyone about the singer serving him and his siblings alcohol.

Irrelevant or Key Credibility Issue?

The father of Jackson's alleged victim was never convicted of the allegations made in the police report. His lawyer said the mother has fabricated the accusations.

"She manipulates the truth in order to benefit herself," Russ Halpern said. "She manipulates others, particularly her children."

One legal expert believes this could potentially raise questions about the mother's credibility in the criminal case against Jackson.

Sources told ABC News that prosecutors are likely to argue that the details of the parents' divorce have no relevance to the charges made against Jackson. However, sources said, Jackson's defense will try to make the mother's claims against her husband a key part of their attack on her credibility.

Michael Jackson's trial on child molestation charges is set to begin in January 2005.

Reported by ABC News' Jessica Yellin on Good Morning America.
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Reply #62 posted 12/06/04 7:23pm

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And another one...

Father Of Jackson's Accuser Denies Charges

POSTED: 7:45 a.m. PST November 21, 2003
UPDATED: 5:34 p.m. PST November 25, 2003

LOS ANGELES -- The attorney for the father of the 12-year-old boy in the center of the Michael Jackson controversy spoke to the media Thursday evening.

H. Russell Halpern told reporters that his client believes the boy's mother is unfit and does not believe that the pop superstar victimized his son.

"Either she places a child in a home in which he's in danger of being molested, or the alternative, she is encouraging a child to make false accusations," Halpern said. "Either way, it makes her unfit."

The boy is a cancer patient who stayed at Jackson's Neverland Ranch on a few occasions.

The boy is in the center of a bitter divorce and custody battle.

Halpern said that the father lost custody of his son because the boy's mother accused him of abuse. Those charges were later dropped, according to NBC4. The father is currently unemployed.

The boy's mother had nothing negative to say about Jackson when she told a British newspaper earlier this year that "at no time has (her son) ever been treated with anything other than love, respect and the deepest kindness by Michael."
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Reply #63 posted 12/06/04 11:30pm

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so is this entire thread about rehashing old news stories?
"Awards are like hemorrhoids. Sooner or later, every asshole gets one."
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Reply #64 posted 12/07/04 12:59am

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I found this about the Chandler affair arrow

Posted by AH HA at March 31, 2004 10:14 AM
It was funny that Jackson never filed an extortion charge until a newpaper bought up that point.

"Michael Jackson]'s representatives have offered few details of the alleged extortion attempt. Nor have they taken the alleged extortion to police,
according to Los Angeles police Capt. William O. Gartland, as quoted in the Times. Gartland's division handles extortion cases, and "nobody's brought anything to us," he told the paper."
David Von Drehle, Jessica Crosby. The Washington Post. Washington, D.C.: Aug 27, 1993. pg. A.01

"Michael Jackson's security consultant, Anthony Pellicano, says he delayed telling police about an alleged extortion attempt on the singing star for more than two months in order to "buy time" and "discredit" those making allegations against the entertainer."
Ian Katz. The Washington Post. Washington, D.C.: Aug 30, 1993. pg. B.01

"The Los Angeles Police Department is now examining the extortion claim. But a former colleague of Pellicano says the private
investigator had admitted to him he was simply trying to protect Jackson."
-- John Mullin, 'Out To Lynch In L.A.' (The Guardian, 8/31/93)

"Even the first sketchy media accounts of the investigation, which surfaced a few days later, contained Pellicano's spin on the case. Initial reports contained no reference to molestation, but quoted the investigator saying police were acting on "an extortion attempt gone awry." While sifting through the interview requests, Pellicano and Weitzman began dealing privately with the Los Angeles Police Department, providing information that led the LAPD to open an investigation into the alleged extortion attempt. Amid the confusion, some other private investigators raised questions about Pellicano's approach. Why, they wondered, did Pellicano tell the media that
he had not tape-recorded the alleged extortion demands? Under California law, the secret taping of phone calls is allowed if there is reasonable fear of extortion. That would have been a sure-fire way to document the allegation."
DAVID FERRELL, CHUCK PHILIPS. The Los Angeles Times. Los Angeles, Calif.:
Sep 3, 1993. pg. 1

"Pellicano's big production number came last Wednesday: the presentation of the 'extortion tapes'. These purported to show how the dentist tried to extort money, allegedly dollars 20 million, from Jackson on 17 August, the day the boy made his accusations to a therapist.
But the tapes contained no clear attempt at extortion and he was unable to explain how he, a tapes expert, had not recorded other conversations, which according to his own allegations, must have been more damaging."
-- Christopher Reed, 'Jackson: The good, the bad and the just plain
sleazy' (The Observer, 9/5/93)


Pellicano's claim that Jordy denied the allegations in a private conversation, saying that the charges were a setup by his dad…yet,
though he made this claim, he had no recordings of the conversation to prove it. Funny, you'd think if the conversation had actually occurred that Pellicano would've seized the opportunity to document it. For that matter, if necessary, he was certainly smart enough to call in witnesses and then ask Jordy to repeat it. So why didn't he do that? Pellicano's claim, by the way, is documented in several news sources, including the news article 'Dangerous Time For Star' (The Advertiser, 12/23/93)

"Pellicano said the pop star gets 25 to 30 extortion attempts a year." Jessica Crosby. The Washington Post. Washington, D.C.: Aug 25, 1993. pg. D.01

"Pellicano, meanwhile, was a high-profile spokesman for Jackson in the first weeks after news of the criminal investigation broke. Pellicano, a private investigator with a reputation for aggressive tactics, challenged the
allegations with ferocity, accusing the boy's father of attempting to extort $20 million out of Jackson and of resorting to the child molestation
accusations only after Jackson's representatives rebuffed his extortion attempts.
But he too drew fire for his work on Jackson's behalf. In an effort to bolster the extortion claim, for instance, Pellicano released a tape recording of what he said was evidence of the extortion attempt, but the tape was HEAVILY edited.
A trial date in the lawsuit has been set for March 21, and Jackson is scheduled to be deposed on Jan. 18."
JIM NEWTON, SONIA NAZARIO. The Los Angeles Times. Los Angeles, Calif.: Dec 22, 1993. pg. 1

"Then, on Jan. 24, the day before the settlement was disclosed, the L.A. prosecutor's office announced that they had found no credible evidence that the 14-year-old's father, a Beverly Hills dentist and aspiring screenwriter, had tried to extort $20 million from Jackson in return for his son's silence, as the Jackson camp had claimed when the molestation charges were brought". DODGING THE BULLET , By: Hewitt, Bill, Stambler, Lyndon, People, 00937673, 2/7/94, Vol. 41, Issue 5

"When police wired Jackson's maid Blanca Francia, whose son was one of the boys involved in the investigation, according to someone on the prosecution team, they heard Pellicano beg her not to go to the police with her information."
-- Maureen Orth, 'Losing His Grip', (Vanity Fair, April 2003)

Last but not least, Pellicano was an expert in audio. I'm saying was because he is currently in jail.

"...Even the FBI envied his lab, he told clients. Pellicano gave reporters tours of the facility. On one occasion in the early 1990s, he demonstrated to a Times reporter how an innocent conversation could be altered to appear
incriminating or embarrassing..." L.A. Times 2/01/2004
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Reply #65 posted 12/07/04 6:40am

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I found this about the Chandler affair arrow

Posted by AH HA at March 31, 2004 10:14 AM
It was funny that Jackson never filed an extortion charge until a newpaper bought up that point.

"Michael Jackson]'s representatives have offered few details of the alleged extortion attempt. Nor have they taken the alleged extortion to police,
according to Los Angeles police Capt. William O. Gartland, as quoted in the Times. Gartland's division handles extortion cases, and "nobody's brought anything to us," he told the paper."
David Von Drehle, Jessica Crosby. The Washington Post. Washington, D.C.: Aug 27, 1993. pg. A.01

"Michael Jackson's security consultant, Anthony Pellicano, says he delayed telling police about an alleged extortion attempt on the singing star for more than two months in order to "buy time" and "discredit" those making allegations against the entertainer."
Ian Katz. The Washington Post. Washington, D.C.: Aug 30, 1993. pg. B.01

"The Los Angeles Police Department is now examining the extortion claim. But a former colleague of Pellicano says the private
investigator had admitted to him he was simply trying to protect Jackson."
-- John Mullin, 'Out To Lynch In L.A.' (The Guardian, 8/31/93)

"Even the first sketchy media accounts of the investigation, which surfaced a few days later, contained Pellicano's spin on the case. Initial reports contained no reference to molestation, but quoted the investigator saying police were acting on "an extortion attempt gone awry." While sifting through the interview requests, Pellicano and Weitzman began dealing privately with the Los Angeles Police Department, providing information that led the LAPD to open an investigation into the alleged extortion attempt. Amid the confusion, some other private investigators raised questions about Pellicano's approach. Why, they wondered, did Pellicano tell the media that
he had not tape-recorded the alleged extortion demands? Under California law, the secret taping of phone calls is allowed if there is reasonable fear of extortion. That would have been a sure-fire way to document the allegation."
DAVID FERRELL, CHUCK PHILIPS. The Los Angeles Times. Los Angeles, Calif.:
Sep 3, 1993. pg. 1

"Pellicano's big production number came last Wednesday: the presentation of the 'extortion tapes'. These purported to show how the dentist tried to extort money, allegedly dollars 20 million, from Jackson on 17 August, the day the boy made his accusations to a therapist.
But the tapes contained no clear attempt at extortion and he was unable to explain how he, a tapes expert, had not recorded other conversations, which according to his own allegations, must have been more damaging."
-- Christopher Reed, 'Jackson: The good, the bad and the just plain
sleazy' (The Observer, 9/5/93)


Pellicano's claim that Jordy denied the allegations in a private conversation, saying that the charges were a setup by his dad…yet,
though he made this claim, he had no recordings of the conversation to prove it. Funny, you'd think if the conversation had actually occurred that Pellicano would've seized the opportunity to document it. For that matter, if necessary, he was certainly smart enough to call in witnesses and then ask Jordy to repeat it. So why didn't he do that? Pellicano's claim, by the way, is documented in several news sources, including the news article 'Dangerous Time For Star' (The Advertiser, 12/23/93)

"Pellicano said the pop star gets 25 to 30 extortion attempts a year." Jessica Crosby. The Washington Post. Washington, D.C.: Aug 25, 1993. pg. D.01

"Pellicano, meanwhile, was a high-profile spokesman for Jackson in the first weeks after news of the criminal investigation broke. Pellicano, a private investigator with a reputation for aggressive tactics, challenged the
allegations with ferocity, accusing the boy's father of attempting to extort $20 million out of Jackson and of resorting to the child molestation
accusations only after Jackson's representatives rebuffed his extortion attempts.
But he too drew fire for his work on Jackson's behalf. In an effort to bolster the extortion claim, for instance, Pellicano released a tape recording of what he said was evidence of the extortion attempt, but the tape was HEAVILY edited.
A trial date in the lawsuit has been set for March 21, and Jackson is scheduled to be deposed on Jan. 18."
JIM NEWTON, SONIA NAZARIO. The Los Angeles Times. Los Angeles, Calif.: Dec 22, 1993. pg. 1

"Then, on Jan. 24, the day before the settlement was disclosed, the L.A. prosecutor's office announced that they had found no credible evidence that the 14-year-old's father, a Beverly Hills dentist and aspiring screenwriter, had tried to extort $20 million from Jackson in return for his son's silence, as the Jackson camp had claimed when the molestation charges were brought". DODGING THE BULLET , By: Hewitt, Bill, Stambler, Lyndon, People, 00937673, 2/7/94, Vol. 41, Issue 5
when Fields and Pelicano Brought up Extortion charges the L.A. Prosecuters office investigated it for 2 Weeks before they made thier descion, whilst the molestation investigation was nearly 7 monthes, Fields and pelicano weren't able to transport large quantities of "evidence"
including testimony of wittnesses inside the accusers Lawyers office

"When police wired Jackson's maid Blanca Francia, whose son was one of the boys involved in the investigation, according to someone on the prosecution team, they heard Pellicano beg her not to go to the police with her information."
When Pelicano was interviewing a number of boys, Blanca Francia was one of the maids who caught Jackson and her son in a tent playing, though nothing happened she was still concerned and imediately resigned,
she was key in the prosecutions case to establish a "habit of behavior"
-- Maureen Orth, 'Losing His Grip', (Vanity Fair, April 2003)

Last but not least, Pellicano was an expert in audio. I'm saying was because he is currently in jail.

"...Even the FBI envied his lab, he told clients. Pellicano gave reporters tours of the facility. On one occasion in the early 1990s, he demonstrated to a Times reporter how an innocent conversation could be altered to appear
incriminating or embarrassing..." L.A. Times 2/01/2004


Jackson never trusted Pelicano, Pelicano was brought into the case by betram fields Jacksons long time lawyer at the time.Fields knowing pelicanos reputation was in charge of watching over his action in the 93 case,
I have problems with the article cause its filled with "Propaganda"
At the time Pelicano was the top investigator for stars(probably for his currupt ways, hense he's in jail now)
The media was taking in a majority of thier reports from around the prosecution
who in the meanwhile where still trying to dig up evidence against the molestation case
who in turn fabricated many things, not because it was jackson
but because its what they normally do
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