Thanks guys for the post and positive comments, which have cheered me up!!

Luv4oneanotha - I'm seeing 'Finding Neverland' tomorrow...I've heard it's an excellent movie. Definitely Oscar material (from what I've heard).

I hope they find Mike innocent, he has done all for underprivlidge kids, all the money he has given. He might be a "freak" but his music, particullary his early music is "timeless"

amit1234 said:

I mentioned it specifically cause it Mirrors a certain subject
as Mr. Dep[ says "where all familiar with, by now"

Drama
1 hr. 46 min. Set in London in 1904, the film follows J.M. Barrie's creative journey to bring Peter Pan to life, from his first inspiration for the story up until the play's premiere at the Duke of York's Theatre - a night that will change not only Barrie's own life, but the lives of everyone close to him. David Magee's screenplay is based on the play "The Man Who Was Peter Pan," written by Allen Knee
[Edited 11/20/04 9:12am]

Luv4oneanotha said:

I read somewhere that Johnny Depp compared Michael Jackson to J.M. Barrie.

Luv4oneanotha said:

Is it yours?

Another interesting article from earlier this year...

Jackson's Smoking Gun
Wednesday, July 07, 2004
By Roger Friedman

Jackson Case: Audio Tape Is Smoking Gun

There's a smoking gun in the Michael Jackson child-abuse case, but it's not going to help the prosecution.

An audio tape made by private investigator Brad Miller on or around Feb. 20, 2003, may in fact solve the whole case.

On the tape, Miller — working for Jackson defense attorney Mark Geragos — interviews the 13-year-old boy who has since accused Jackson of impropriety. Also interviewed are the boy's brother, sister and mother.

This tape, I'm told, is the reason behind all those closed-door arguments among the lawyers in the case and the subject of Judge Rodney Melville's sealing of evidence. The tape, and a lot of documents that have nothing to do with Jackson, were found in a police raid on Miller's office the same day cops charged into Neverland last November.

And that's the problem. Miller's lawyer, as well as Jackson's, claims that Miller worked for Geragos and not for Jackson, making Miller part of the defense team — and everything in his office off-limits to prosecutors. I'm told that the search warrant against Miller, however, incorrectly stated that he was Jackson's employee.


Miller has had to hire his own legal representation because, he's told friends, many of the items confiscated by the Santa Barbara police in that November raid are files pertaining to other clients, not to Jackson.

But it's what's on the tape that all the lawyers are fighting about.

Miller, under instructions from Geragos, interviewed the family members about their relationship with Jackson. He asked them a lot of questions, including whether or not there had been any sexual misconduct. The answers, I'm told, were emphatically "no."

Prosecutors may suggest the three were coerced or forced to read from a script. But it appears they were not alone during the taping session. Major Jay Jackson, the boy's mother's boyfriend, was with them the whole time, my sources say.

"If Jay Jackson didn't like what they were being asked, he could have said something," one source says. "He didn't."

It's a big issue now that the prosecutors are in possession of this tape. Under the law, they are not allowed to listen to it until the judge rules whether it's part of the defense. But District Attorney Tom Sneddon may have listened to it after all. (No one from the prosecutor's office will comment on this or any other part of the Jackson case, invoking the court's gag order.)

The tape may also play into the ever-shifting timeline in the Jackson case. When Sneddon filed charges against Jackson, he alleged that the child molestation took place between Feb. 7 and March 10 of 2003. Later, when he re-filed, the dates were changed: Feb. 20 to March 12, 2003.

"That's because the tape was made later, around February 16 or 18," says my source. "Also, that's when the family was interviewed by the Los Angeles child-welfare people. Sneddon is trying to re-set the timeline so it all matches."

An interviewer from the Los Angeles Department of Children and Family Services spoke to the family the same week they made the tape. I'm told the same answers came back — that nothing untoward had happened.

Sneddon, it's suggested, had to change the dates of the charges so that they began after the tape was made and the interview was conducted.

"And we're to believe that Michael, knowing about the tape and the interview, then decided to molest the kid," my source says incredulously.

There's more. Initially, we were led to believe that Jackson's managers, Dieter Wiesner and Ronald Konitzer, hired Geragos in January 2003 before any of this started.

We were told that they did this with an eye toward suing Sony Music over Jackson's situation with the company. It was supposedly a coincidence that Geragos was on duty when the family of the accuser needed handling.

Now, however, I am told by an eyewitness that Wiesner and Konitzer didn't retain Geragos until right after the Martin Bashir television special "Living With Michael Jackson" aired on ABC on Feb. 7, 2003.

According to my source, Wiesner and Konitzer immediately suspected that the family was going to become a problem once the special aired.

"They wanted to be paid for being in it," my source said. "When they weren't, it became an issue."

Geragos kept a vigilant eye on the family even when it was being chaperoned by Jackson's employees. For example, he paid at least one month's rent on the family's East Los Angeles apartment.

"They were going to be evicted," says a source, "and he thought it was the right thing to do."

He also assigned a "watcher" named Johnny who worked for Miller to keep an eye on the family during a four- or five-day stay at the Hotel Calabasas about 30 miles from downtown Los Angeles.

"He [Johnny] was there to keep the press away," says my source.

Prosecutors have hinted that the Hotel Calabasas stay was a type of incarceration. But defense sources say they have evidence that the family went to the movies, ate at an Outback Steakhouse and was free to come and go.

The family was eventually moved out of its apartment and all its belongings put in storage. The conspiracy component of the Jackson indictment suggests that this was done against the family's wishes.

But, my source insists, "They wanted it. The mother said she wanted her apartment cleaned out and everything thrown away. She said she was starting a new life with Jay."

The Jackson team made sure it chronicled everything that happened.

"All the contents of that apartment were videotaped. We weren't going to have them say something was missing later," my source says.

bds70 said:

So, you hope he's innocent because you tapped you like his music? Some of Gary Glitter's songs are great too, but he's still a paedophile.

Shapeshifter said:

Yeah? Which?

who the hell is Gary Glitter?

DavidEye said:

You don't wanna know.

I am not convinced either that the facts that those articles posted here state are 100% truthful. I mean what are their sources?

DavidEye said:

See: "Glam Rock: shitty obscure singers"

Novabreaker said:

I'm serious. "According to my source, Wiesner and Konitzer immediately suspected that the family was going to become a problem once the special aired." There it goes again: source. Who the hell is that source anyway?

Novabreaker said:

Fair enough. I was just laughing 'cos when it's tabloid bullshit junk no-one gives a fuck who the source is. But when it's something in Michael's favour people wanna know if it's genuine or not.

Cloudbuster said:

Both of you make good points. On the one hand, we should question what we hear from the media and it's "sources", on the other, many people like to pick and choose what's credible and what's not without proof of credibility from either direction.

Cloudbuster said:

amen

meow85 said:

I guess it depends on whether one likes the celebrity or not. And there's a lot of people who hate Michael so they just wanna see him get caged. I can't believe that there are folk out there who actually want him to be guilty of these crimes. That's virtually on a par with condoning child abuse simply because they have a dislike for him.

Cloudbuster said:

Exactly. I have no idea if he's guilty or not. For obvious reason I hope he's innocent. But who knows? It's true that there are people who genuinely want him to be guilty though. That's just plain fucked up,

meow85 said:

Aaron Cater's mother and Sister did an interview and they said Aaron spent the night at Neverland without their knowledge and that Aaron told his sister he got high with Michael and drank "Jesus Juice" lol.

variety1317 said:

Or...

http://www.mjnewsonline.c...l-jackson/

http://www.foxnews.com/st...57,00.html

Fox411: Jackson Case: Shakedown Admitted by Accuser's Side

It's no shock that Thursday's big admission in the Michael Jackson case concerned a shakedown. Major Jay Jackson, stepfather now to Jackson's 14-year-old accuser, conceded in court that he asked Jackson's staff for a lot of things as compensation for the family's participation in a "rebuttal" video.

I've been telling you for months that Jay Jackson and the accuser's mother wanted everything they could get from the King of Pop and his associates. There are receipts, too, lots of them, that can be brought into evidence showing how much shopping the mother did on Michael Jackson's dime.

But Major Jackson is wrong about one thing: He suggested that his wife and stepkids were held "for months" at Michael's Neverland ranch in 2003. In fact, the family stayed there on and off between Feb. 7 and March 11 of that year.

On March 11, the mother was awarded an increase in her weekly alimony from family court from her ex-husband. She and her children returned to Major Jackson's apartment (the couple were not married yet at that time). After that, their connection to Neverland was almost completely severed.

At this point it would look like the case against Michael Jackson is falling apart. But if it goes to trial, look for more evidence to surface regarding the accuser's family and their refusal to give up a juicy Neverland lifestyle supported by Michael Jackson.

http://people.aol.com/peo...76,00.html

Aaron Carter Defends Michael Jackson
18th of November

The following article was reported by People.com:

Teen pop star Aaron Carter is speaking out to PEOPLE about his troubled relationship with his mother and sister – and about his friendship with Michael Jackson.

After Carter’s mother Jane told “Access Hollywood” that her son had spent an unsupervised night with Jackson at his Neverland Ranch, and Carter’s sister Leslie, 18, implied that drug use may have been involved, Carter told PEOPLE: “I don’t do drugs. I didn’t do them with Michael Jackson and I don’t do them with anyone else.”

Carter, 16, had a lot more to say in a frank discussion.

On his mother and sister: “I really don’t like being around them. All I hear is ‘You need to go on television and make me look better.’ I just think, ‘Just be my mother, just be my sister.’ It’s all about money and publicity for them. My last word to (my mother) is that she’s the adult, not me. But it seems to be switched around.

On his playdate at Neverland with Jackson, who has been charged with child molestation: “Michael and I have been friends for three years. I went to Neverland for his (45th) birthday bash. We were smashing cake in each other’s faces. It was really cool. Until 5 a.m., me, him and Chris Tucker were out on four-wheelers, riding around in the mountains. Nothing happened between me and Michael. We didn’t sleep in the same room, we didn’t share a bed. We have a normal friendship. There’s nothing sexual to it.”

On single life after dating Lindsay Lohan and Hilary Duff: “My career is my girlfriend. I don’t consider myself with anybody, but I’ve been seeing a couple of people. There was a Hawaiian Tropic model I was seeing named Monique. She’s really cool. We’re just friends now.”

On women he’s attracted to: “I’m not going to tell you, ‘Oh, looks don’t matter.’ If you don’t look good, get away from me!”

On his next career move: “My sound is definitely changing (for an upcoming album). It is going to have more of an R&B vibe with some rock. It’s influenced by Craig David, Usher and Justin Timberlake.”

Meanwhile, Carter’s mother Jane stands by her decision to go on television and question the night her son spent with Jackson.

“I told the truth,” she says. “I don’t know what happened at Michael Jackson’s house, but I was concerned like any parent would be.”

Jane does admit to a rift between mother and son: “I don’t have a regular phone number for him, I don’t see him like I would like to.” But she hopes to work things out.

“I will say that I love Aaron with all my heart,” says Jane, 45. “I want to be a loving mother to him. I am on his side. I want what’s best for him. I know that he may not believe it at this moment, but it is true. I would do anything for him.”

Aaron says that there is a fairly easy way to end their family squabble. “I would forgive my mom,” he says, “but she’s going to have to admit she did some things that were wrong.”

http://people.aol.com/peo...76,00.html

Aaron Carter Defends Michael Jackson
18th of November

Teen pop star Aaron Carter is speaking out to PEOPLE about his troubled relationship with his mother and sister – and about his friendship with Michael Jackson.

After Carter’s mother Jane told “Access Hollywood” that her son had spent an unsupervised night with Jackson at his Neverland Ranch, and Carter’s sister Leslie, 18, implied that drug use may have been involved, Carter told PEOPLE: “I don’t do drugs. I didn’t do them with Michael Jackson and I don’t do them with anyone else.”

Carter, 16, had a lot more to say in a frank discussion.

On his mother and sister: “I really don’t like being around them. All I hear is ‘You need to go on television and make me look better.’ I just think, ‘Just be my mother, just be my sister.’ It’s all about money and publicity for them. My last word to (my mother) is that she’s the adult, not me. But it seems to be switched around.

On his playdate at Neverland with Jackson, who has been charged with child molestation: “Michael and I have been friends for three years. I went to Neverland for his (45th) birthday bash. We were smashing cake in each other’s faces. It was really cool. Until 5 a.m., me, him and Chris Tucker were out on four-wheelers, riding around in the mountains. Nothing happened between me and Michael. We didn’t sleep in the same room, we didn’t share a bed. We have a normal friendship. There’s nothing sexual to it.”

On single life after dating Lindsay Lohan and Hilary Duff: “My career is my girlfriend. I don’t consider myself with anybody, but I’ve been seeing a couple of people. There was a Hawaiian Tropic model I was seeing named Monique. She’s really cool. We’re just friends now.”

On women he’s attracted to: “I’m not going to tell you, ‘Oh, looks don’t matter.’ If you don’t look good, get away from me!”

On his next career move: “My sound is definitely changing (for an upcoming album). It is going to have more of an R&B vibe with some rock. It’s influenced by Craig David, Usher and Justin Timberlake.”

Meanwhile, Carter’s mother Jane stands by her decision to go on television and question the night her son spent with Jackson.

“I told the truth,” she says. “I don’t know what happened at Michael Jackson’s house, but I was concerned like any parent would be.”

Jane does admit to a rift between mother and son: “I don’t have a regular phone number for him, I don’t see him like I would like to.” But she hopes to work things out.

“I will say that I love Aaron with all my heart,” says Jane, 45. “I want to be a loving mother to him. I am on his side. I want what’s best for him. I know that he may not believe it at this moment, but it is true. I would do anything for him.”

Aaron says that there is a fairly easy way to end their family squabble. “I would forgive my mom,” he says, “but she’s going to have to admit she did some things that were wrong.”

amit1234 said:

I fucking love the Carter family. They're pop's next big dysfunctional family.
Being the good lil BSB fan that I am, I've been following that families antics for a while. Anyone of us could tell you that Jane Carter is fucking nuts. Stage Mommy from Hell.

to Aaron for sticking up for MJ.

amit1234 said:

considering Aaron Carter was marketed to the NAMBLA set, MJ must be innocent if he resisted molesting him

There is a new book called "Redemption: The Truth Behind The Michael Jackson Child Molestation Allegations" by Geraldine Hughes.Has anybody read it yet? What does it say?