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Is Hip Hop dying???? *****note*****
(This began as a response to another hip hop thread, but I veered into a whole other rant and decided to start a new subject) Hip Hop nowdays is like Rock N' Roll was right before The Beatles came out--on it's last breath. Sure, there are a few creative and inspired Hip Hop acts out there. However, they don't get exposure on MTV or the radio. The reason for that does not have to do with quality-it has to do with marketability. Execs don't think the masses can handle new innovative "different" things-and they don't wanna come up with new ways to market it anyway. Prince fans know about this. Unless someone in Hip Hop breaks through with something bold and new, the P Diddy, bling blingin', fake cash money, millionaire Chingy clones are going to keep repeating themselves until it fades away completely.Rap isn't daring anymore-it's safe and it's marketable. Why would most groups apire to be different if they can make $$$$$ doing the same tired and "true" thing? They won't. Most of the acts that are pimped to the masses aren't nearly talented or confident enough to take risks like people like Prince do. C'mon now, is Sean Combs gonna turn down his endorsments and contracts and write slave on his face in order to be gain his creeative freedom? No. He doesn't care about music. He cares about making money, selling shit, and voting. If you want proof about how sad hip hop has gotten look at, arguably, two of the most talented guys in rap- Eminem and Jay Z. Eminem has hit the wall and his new stuff his beginning to sound like his recycled old stuff. He also pulled an Ashlee and was lip synching on SNL. Jay Z is currently involved in the most ridiculous hip hop tour ever-it has no inspiration, it's left over from a couple of years ago, and it is melting down before our very eyes. When I saw Prince on his "Musicology" tour you could see the joy and passion in his eyes. Do you know what I saw in Jay Z's and R Kelly's eyes? $ $ [Edited 11/2/04 14:43pm] "New Power slide...." |
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skywalker said: *****note*****
(This began as a response to another hip hop thread, but I veered into a whole other rant and decided to start a new subject) Hip Hop nowdays is like Rock N' Roll was right before The Beatles came out--on it's last breath. Sure, there are a few creative and inspired Hip Hop acts out there. However, they don't get exposure on MTV or the radio. The reason for that does not have to do with quality-it has to do with marketability. Execs don't think the masses can handle new innovative "different" things-and they don't wanna come up with new ways to market it anyway. Prince fans know about this. Unless someone in Hip Hop breaks through with something bold and new, the P Diddy, bling blingin', fake cash money, millionaire Chingy clones are going to keep repeating themselves until it fades away completely.Rap isn't daring anymore-it's safe and it's marketable. Why would most groups apire to be different if they can make $$$$$ doing the same tired and "true" thing? They won't. Most of the acts that are pimped to the masses aren't nearly talented or confident enough to take risks like people like Prince do. C'mon now, is Sean Combs gonna turn down his endorsments and contracts and write slave on his face in order to be gain his creeative freedom? No. He doesn't care about music. He cares about making money, selling shit, and voting. If you want proof about how sad hip hop has gotten look at, arguably, two of the most talented guys in rap- Eminem and Jay Z. Eminem has hit the wall and his new stuff his beginning to sound like his recycled old stuff. He also pulled an Ashlee and was lip synching on SNL. Jay Z is currently involved in the most ridiculous hip hop tour ever-it has no inspiration, it's left over from a couple of years ago, and it is melting down before our very eyes. When I saw Prince on his "Musicology" tour you could see the joy and passion in his eyes. Do you know what I saw in Jay Z's and R Kelly's eyes? $ $ [Edited 11/2/04 14:43pm] Unfortunately not! Hip hop seems to be more popular than ever. | |
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to me -- YES. | |
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Oh, I certainly hope so! Unfortunately, it's not. If they can't speed the tempo up and get some real music in it, I'll be glad as hell to see it die. I've been waiting for a change since the early 1990s. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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dancerella said: skywalker said: *****note*****
(This began as a response to another hip hop thread, but I veered into a whole other rant and decided to start a new subject) Hip Hop nowdays is like Rock N' Roll was right before The Beatles came out--on it's last breath. Sure, there are a few creative and inspired Hip Hop acts out there. However, they don't get exposure on MTV or the radio. The reason for that does not have to do with quality-it has to do with marketability. Execs don't think the masses can handle new innovative "different" things-and they don't wanna come up with new ways to market it anyway. Prince fans know about this. Unless someone in Hip Hop breaks through with something bold and new, the P Diddy, bling blingin', fake cash money, millionaire Chingy clones are going to keep repeating themselves until it fades away completely.Rap isn't daring anymore-it's safe and it's marketable. Why would most groups apire to be different if they can make $$$$$ doing the same tired and "true" thing? They won't. Most of the acts that are pimped to the masses aren't nearly talented or confident enough to take risks like people like Prince do. C'mon now, is Sean Combs gonna turn down his endorsments and contracts and write slave on his face in order to be gain his creeative freedom? No. He doesn't care about music. He cares about making money, selling shit, and voting. If you want proof about how sad hip hop has gotten look at, arguably, two of the most talented guys in rap- Eminem and Jay Z. Eminem has hit the wall and his new stuff his beginning to sound like his recycled old stuff. He also pulled an Ashlee and was lip synching on SNL. Jay Z is currently involved in the most ridiculous hip hop tour ever-it has no inspiration, it's left over from a couple of years ago, and it is melting down before our very eyes. When I saw Prince on his "Musicology" tour you could see the joy and passion in his eyes. Do you know what I saw in Jay Z's and R Kelly's eyes? $ $ [Edited 11/2/04 14:43pm] Unfortunately not! Hip hop seems to be more popular than ever. That Popular shit u talk about ain't real Hip Hop.....half of these rappers couldn't even break down the elements of hip hop if u asked them to.... I am not African. Africa is in me, but I cannot return.
I am not taína. Taíno is in me, but there is no way back. I am not european. Europe lives in me, but I have no home there. I am new. History made me. My first language was spanglish. And I am | |
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I have never thought of myself as an authority on hip-hop, but for me, yes it's dying and very close to death. I find it ridiculous, immature, pretentious and down right boring. Give me Prince, Carlos, Rolling Stones, George Michael, Al Green any old day. Hip-hop is nothing more than a joke to me. All these so-called artists have very little true talent and no artistry whatsoever! | |
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Dying?? It's already buried.
 [Edited 11/5/04 11:21am] They did WHAT??!.... 
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First off, all you people steadily conflating rap and hip hop shows me where your rationale lies. The end. | |
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SammiJ said: to me -- YES.
hehehe...ditto on that. "I saw a woman with major Hammer pants on the subway a few weeks ago and totally thought of you." - sextonseven | |
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Yes. The party's over. There are three sides to every story. My side, your side, and the truth. And no one is lying. Memories shared serve each one differently | |
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I swear to god, I hope that "hip hop/rap" is dying.
Hip hop? I thought it was a rabbit. "I hate both of those dildos (Bush and Kerry), but Bush seems to be a smaller dildo, although even a small dildo can fuck the shit out of you." - Mastodon on the election | |
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No... of course its not dying. Little kids in every country on the face of this planet listen to hip-hop, dress like hip-hop icons (or wish they could).
But the problem with your question is that it makes it all the music industry's fault when its the audience that either buys or doesn't buy the music. I don't listen to a lot of hip-hop but there are a few that I do invest my time and money into. These would be the more quality hip-hop artists (of quality to me). Not the trash that dominates MTV and little kids stereo's. And there is plenty quality stuff out there. Its us who have to give notice to the music industry what we'll stand for and what we won't. Change it one more time.. | |
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Hip hop hasn't been good in about 10 years. "You need people like me so you can point your fuckin' fingers and say, "That's the bad guy." "
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Hip Hop Died a long time ago
but just because it died, does not mean it won't be popular its just lost all creativity and really isnt any fun anymore last good track i enjoyed was *One Mic* by nas and that was mediocre! | |
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4 all of you who keep saying "its dead" or "I wish it would" etc. answer something for me:
What is "it"? Is "it" your idea of "it"? Is it all the different styles and artists doing their own thing "it"? Is "it" the genre of music and culture which despite your calling it "dead" is the most popular and creative "its" every been? So then what exactly are you refering to when you say "its" dead? Because by the shallowness of your responses I guess I could say the same thing about alterna-rock (which to me sounds about as exciting as bird calls) and the pop music in most countries. In any case ones making a generalization to such an extent that it ceases to be useful. If you don't listen to it in the first place, how can you consider yourself an adequate judge of its health or lack thereof? Change it one more time.. | |
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Dying, no. Changing yes. The same thing happened to rock, jazz, R&B, blues and classical music before it. Life is constantly changing so anything that doesn't change with it, will die prematurely-- everything dies eventually of course.
For a glimpse of what hip-hop has to offer look at Andre 3000-- I mean sit your old asses down, clear your mind, put on your headphones and listen. There are others and will be others. Don't be fooled by what MTV and Clear Channel want you to believe is hip-hop. They don't know. Hip-hop is a state of mind as much as it is a form of music, just as blues, rock (I'm talking Led Zeppelin, not the Beatles), and jazz were. By the time the music industry took notice hip-hop had moved in another direction. Jay-Z and Eminem's styles were out there 15-20 years ago. They've added nothing to the mix. That's not representative of hip-hop today. Hell, what the Tribe did 10+ years ago was more progressive than that. |
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whodknee said: Dying, no. Changing yes. The same thing happened to rock, jazz, R&B, blues and classical music before it. Life is constantly changing so anything that doesn't change with it, will die prematurely-- everything dies eventually of course.
For a glimpse of what hip-hop has to offer look at Andre 3000-- I mean sit your old asses down, clear your mind, put on your headphones and listen. There are others and will be others. Don't be fooled by what MTV and Clear Channel want you to believe is hip-hop. They don't know. Hip-hop is a state of mind as much as it is a form of music, just as blues, rock (I'm talking Led Zeppelin, not the Beatles), and jazz were. By the time the music industry took notice hip-hop had moved in another direction. Jay-Z and Eminem's styles were out there 15-20 years ago. They've added nothing to the mix. That's not representative of hip-hop today. Hell, what the Tribe did 10+ years ago was more progressive than that. Well Rock died a long time ago so did RnB the only that really has changed for the better is Jazz im losing alternatives now im resorting to listening to heavy metal | |
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Hip-Hop has become more watered down as it has got more commercial. As you say, there are so many people/labels churning out 'hip-hop' as a money making machine, but that's the same with most styles of music now.
Good Hip-Hop is still there though, it's just not found on MTV... you have to look for it these days  | |
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Luv4oneanotha said: whodknee said: Dying, no. Changing yes. The same thing happened to rock, jazz, R&B, blues and classical music before it. Life is constantly changing so anything that doesn't change with it, will die prematurely-- everything dies eventually of course.
For a glimpse of what hip-hop has to offer look at Andre 3000-- I mean sit your old asses down, clear your mind, put on your headphones and listen. There are others and will be others. Don't be fooled by what MTV and Clear Channel want you to believe is hip-hop. They don't know. Hip-hop is a state of mind as much as it is a form of music, just as blues, rock (I'm talking Led Zeppelin, not the Beatles), and jazz were. By the time the music industry took notice hip-hop had moved in another direction. Jay-Z and Eminem's styles were out there 15-20 years ago. They've added nothing to the mix. That's not representative of hip-hop today. Hell, what the Tribe did 10+ years ago was more progressive than that. Well Rock died a long time ago so did RnB the only that really has changed for the better is Jazz im losing alternatives now im resorting to listening to heavy metal You should listen to even more heavy metal/death metal/grindcore/hardcore, etc.  "I hate both of those dildos (Bush and Kerry), but Bush seems to be a smaller dildo, although even a small dildo can fuck the shit out of you." - Mastodon on the election | |
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Mastodon said: Luv4oneanotha said: Well Rock died a long time ago so did RnB the only that really has changed for the better is Jazz im losing alternatives now im resorting to listening to heavy metal You should listen to even more heavy metal/death metal/grindcore/hardcore, etc. i have no choice lol theres nothing else good out there lol | |
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First you need to define Hip HOp. If you consider Nelly, Lil Jon and the like Hip Hop you are sadly mistaken. THere is no difference between Nelly and Hilary Duff. Both are POP artist. Nelly just raps his POP songs instead of singing them.Rapping on a song does not make it hip hop. Blondie was one of the first people to rap on a mainstream record (even shouting ou Fab 5 Freddy and Flash). but most consider that a disco record. I would say true hip hop is dead on the mainstream level with the exception of Outkast and Nas(when he feels like it). Real hip hop is always on the verge yet it never quite breaks. back in 1999 was the last real hope of real hip hop hitting the mainstream. Back then the roots won a grammy, Mos Def and Talib Kweli were really hittin, Slum Village, was in its prime, bahamadia too. But like in rock there will be a drastic change in hip hop. I feel that CHingy, Nelly, Ja Rule, 50 Cent, J Kwon, and other Hip POP arists are like hair bands. But there is a Nirvana like change that needs to happen. "Thinking like the Keys on Prince's piano, we'll be just fine" | |
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Bingo! Hip Hop is all about commercialism now. The answer to your question is, unfortunately, NO. Let's break it down: Hip Hop is geared towards the youth. For us "older" fans, it most certainly has been watered down to the point where it's not enjoyable to us anymore. We've lived through the best of it. But, we're out of the picture now...the executives want the young ear.
The youngsters have been conditioned to that "watered down" flavor. For the most part, that's all they know, because that's all they've heard. No complaints are coming from them. Exec's love this because they can give them "formula" songs (like all this Lil Jon "crunk" junk), which require little effort, for maximum profit. The kids have tons of disposable income, which they are more than happy to invest in the flavor of the month rap CD. It's a "WIN-WIN" situation for all, at least when you look at the outer edges. When you break it down, though, the kids aren't winning at all. Maybe one day they'll see that, but I highly doubt it.  Thanks for the laughs, arguments and overall enjoyment for the last umpteen years. It's time for me to retire from Prince.org and engage in the real world...lol. Above all, I appreciated the talent Prince. You were one of a kind. | |
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music goes in cycles...different genres become popular...others fade out...hip hop will fade then something else will come around that everyone will like then hate. | |
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Revolution said: Bingo! Hip Hop is all about commercialism now. The answer to your question is, unfortunately, NO. Let's break it down: Hip Hop is geared towards the youth. For us "older" fans, it most certainly has been watered down to the point where it's not enjoyable to us anymore. We've lived through the best of it. But, we're out of the picture now...the executives want the young ear.
The youngsters have been conditioned to that "watered down" flavor. For the most part, that's all they know, because that's all they've heard. No complaints are coming from them. Exec's love this because they can give them "formula" songs (like all this Lil Jon "crunk" junk), which require little effort, for maximum profit. The kids have tons of disposable income, which they are more than happy to invest in the flavor of the month rap CD. It's a "WIN-WIN" situation for all, at least when you look at the outer edges. When you break it down, though, the kids aren't winning at all. Maybe one day they'll see that, but I highly doubt it. Exactly! Andy is a four letter word. | |
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i don't think its dying. i thinks its in a coma right now. hopefully some artists that actually care about music and not money will wake it back up soon. | |
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