Puhchoolee said:

ouch! that was cold!

JANFAN4L said:

i know these people are being offered a ton of money but i can't imagine touring with someone i don't respect and can't stand.

R.Kelly is starting to sound like the bitch that m.j. is. Its a shame, u'd think he'd be a little bit more open since he didn't have to spend NO TIME in jail for his little situations where there are many men in jail who are innocent.

If the article at mtv.com is right, then I've got lots of respect for Jay-Z. He held it down with a little help from his friends. He comes across as really caring about his fans. I really think R. Kelly was pissed that the audience showed so much love for Jay-Z. He didn't want to go out like a punk so he made up the story about guns. (In the article he admits that he didn't actually see guns, but that two men motioned as they were strapped. This is post 9/11 NY. I bet MSG's security is skin tight. AND the story that Jay-Z's people maced him when he tried to return to the stage? Yeah, bet he made that up too! Now, he wants to sue Jigga Man for $75 million!? Silly hater.
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Just two talentless African Americans in the awful, unoriginal current climate of modern American hip-hop & RnB.

Faux said:

Im sick of both of them but Ive gotta say: You are way off base with this comment. Completely in another galaxy.

Faux said:

Whoa, now! Slow your roll there. I don't like R's material, but he's far from talentless. Dude's got a long list of artists he's produced. Every once in a while he touches on something really good like I believe I can Fly, Fortunate (Maxwell), etc. Even though I think he's a musical simpleton and an idea/concept/style thief, he's catchy. That's why he's lasted as long as he has. Jay-Z is just a rapper, but Kelly actually plays keyboards and drums and has held his own for years as a producer. Gotta respect him for that.
Furthermore, I ain't too thrilled about the tone of that "talentless African American" comment. Tread lightly. Without us, European Americans would have nothing to steal from and claim as their own. Don't front.

WAAAAHHHHH!!!!!
too funny!

BlaqueKnight said:

Alright, so the 'African American' was a supefluous qualifier. I could've said 'artists', though that would be giving too much credit. 'People' perhaps?

As for R Kelly's skills, I don't doubt his popularity and longevity, I just don't think he's very good. Talent for something, yes, since he's successful. I just don't think he makes good music. In fact, I think he's crap. Playing keys and drums isn't an argument at that level. Talented if it's one of my mates from down the pub, but not enough on its own at the very top, which is where R Kelly wants to be I imagine.

Jay-Z doesn't really warrant much comment - just mediocre hip-hop that is so abundant today.

CherrieMoonKisses said:

I'm in the galaxy where R Kelly and Jay-z are mediocre music artists, at best, and where there is a lack of talent in the mainstream in their respective fields.

There was a time when u didn't have to dig too deep to find brilliant, innovative artists. Artists like Stevie, Marvin, Al Green and Prince managed to be both commercial and artistically credible.

I love artists like D'Angelo but I don't for one minute think he can touch a Stevie or Marvin yet. That's not to belittle D'Angelo as he's a very talented young man. It just shows what's missing in general in this field.

For hip-hop and Jay-Z just use Eric B & Rakim or whomever u choose, Jay-z and a Kanye West (or The Roots perhaps) for the same analogy.

Puhchoolee said:

'Kay

Faux said:[quote]

CherrieMoonKisses said:

I'm in the galaxy where R Kelly and Jay-z are mediocre music artists, at best, and where there is a lack of talent in the mainstream in their respective fields.

There was a time when u didn't have to dig too deep to find brilliant, innovative artists. Artists like Stevie, Marvin, Al Green and Prince managed to be both commercial and artistically credible.

I love artists like D'Angelo but I don't for one minute think he can touch a Stevie or Marvin yet. That's not to belittle D'Angelo as he's a very talented young man. It just shows what's missing in general in this field.

For hip-hop and Jay-Z just use Eric B & Rakim or whomever u choose, Jay-z and a Kanye West (or The Roots perhaps) for the same analogy.[/quote)
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Excellent post. Both artist (and I use the word loosely) are a sad example of what is wrong with RnB music. They are not professional and I can't imagine something like this spilling out into public 20 years ago. It took about 10 years to find out how bad things were between Prince and The Time. People kept things on the downlow and continued to entertain.