GangstaFam said:

i see your point... hmm... I guess I don't see the BA in that way. For me, it was always sorta a random hodgepodge of songs cobbled together into an album, from various sessions.. kinda like Chaos & Disorder. I've never been a big BA fan But you're right abot Choirgirl being about the most difficult time in her life... some of the stuff (like iieee) is just harrowingly personal... but that is what is so great about Tori, she is not afraid to let it all out and that is what makes her music so powerful.

Hi JonSnow. Cool Thread! I haven't forgotten the Cd's ~ actually have started the compilation this weekend. I've been very short of computer time but hopefully by next week I'll have them ready for you.

bratchildsfriend said:

cool i need to get off my tush and get those Human Drama CDs burned... I finally alphabetized my CDs (which was a week long project,LOL) so it's easier for me to make compilations. But i'll need you to send me an org-note w/ your addy again... i didn't realize the org notes automatically deleted themselves, and I didn't write it down.

JonSnow said:

Yeah, I don't see The Black Album as being emotionally harrowing or anything like that. It just seems like Tori had to go through something extremely dark to make it through to something as sensual, beautiful and warm as Venus, in the same way Lovesexy wouldn't exist without The Black Album.

I'm excited.

VinaBlue said:

i'm turnig blue from the anticipation!

SassyBritches said:

My nipples could cut glass.



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Great news. I can´t wait to hear the new album. I hope it is as good as "Scarlet´s Walk" which is my favorite by Tori. The album title sounds like a David Sylvian album-title though.

subhuman09 said:

You guys are so crazy!


I'm curious to hear how she incorporates the afro-cuban rhythms and gospel choirs.

GangstaFam said:

I can't argue with that. It's just that with To Venus And Back she appears to favour creativity over actual songwriting. She blended the two well with Pele & Choirgirl. And also, Venus has some rather lame songs in Lust, Suede and Josephine. She has B sides better than those. Bliss and Glory Of The 80's are both great tracks, tho'.

GangstaFam said:

Likely both.

GangstaFam said:

I am blown away by Boys for Pele. I think it's my favorite album of hers.

bratchildsfriend said:

I want a copy.

Cloudbuster said:

I don't think you can pretend to be psycho.

Cloudbuster said:

I love those songs! Lust and Suede are fucking great.

I think a lot of people weren't ready for her to trip out that much with Choirgirl and Venus. They just wanted their girl to sit behind her piano and keep writing the same kinds of songs. It seems like she's recoiled since then and is giving people more of what they want now. Sort of like U2 after Pop.

SassyBritches said:

SASSY!

when the f*** will Kate Bush release her next album????

jn2 said:

Maybe when people stop comparing her to Tori.

GangstaFam said:

yeah, you know i listen to both and i rarely, if ever, think of one while listening to the other.

SassyBritches said:

That's cuz one's great and the other sucks.

GangstaFam said:

I am genuinely startled and alarmed by her work. That's why I like it. I am so turned on by it! Perhaps it takes a certain genius to write songs which embody psychosis the way she does.

GangstaFam said:

The comparison is one of ease. Both woman used high voices. It is easier for people to push artists in a corner to tag them.

To me, in both cases, I love them because they are untagable. This is what I liked in Prince in the 80's.

Sure, I might not like everything these ladies do, but I still listen to them quite often. Just had a Kate Bush spell and now I am slightly moving off to Tori again.

By the way, I have to agree with Sassy. I never think of one while listening to the other; only here on this board I always bump into the same prejudice. I do not say there is no influence, cuz I bet Kate Bush must have made a smashing impression on ANYONE who ever saw her. But Tori has carved out her own special place in musical history from Little Earthquakes ona nd proved she does not need any comparison...she is TORI.

So, when does this Beekeeper come out and where is Fam's personalised Beekeeper tracklist?

GooeyTheHamster said:

Okay, 02/22/05 Damn, AFTER my birthday.

VinaBlue said:

Damn she looks gorgeous!

GangstaFam said:

No, man. Don't be so harsh. Tori's first three albums were great.

Cloudbuster said:

Even though her earlier albums are my faves too, it is too easy to write off het later albums. They contain LOADS of treasures...like The Red Shoes contained duds and treasures too.

GooeyTheHamster said:

The Red Shoes had three songs that weren't so great. The rest were fine.

"From The Choirgirl Hotel"



otherworldly, entrancing, labyrinthine,
nocturnal, emperial, enthemological,
and above all: achingly beautiful and
gutwrenchingly painfull.

sometimes I wonder if this could be
the most beautiful album I will ever
hear.

sometimes I think it is.

Cloudbuster said:

Don't pretend like you don't know what I'm talking about.

IstenSzek said:

I agree. And I owe it to you that I gave this album another chance. It's one of my favorites by anyone now.

You can sum it all up with "Playboy Mommy" too. That song leaves me devastated.