OK so based on your own criteria, which is the greater live-on-tv malfunction of the year?

Justin revealing Janet's titty?



Or Ashlee Simpson for her lip-sync fuckup?






I think Ashlee might have actually trumped Janet since it probably ended her career entirely! Let's hope Ashlee walked off stage for good. What a trainwreck!

Although both were overhyped (especially Janet) I gotta go with Ashlee on this one.

It's much more amusing and reminds us all: "Is it real, or is it Sony?"

Janet's move always seemed a little more desperate anyway-"wardrobe malfunction" or not. I think people were calling for blood it seemed, but given the audience they weren't exactly expecting milk with their chips and beer.

Ashlee = Malfunction

Janet = Stupidity

I honestly have not seen a trainwreck like Ashlee Simpson since Milli Vanilli, and I just think she is so outta here faster than you can say "used cds - $1". I relish in the fact that she was a microwaved star and this is what happens when the industry mass-markets underdeveloped performers.

CinisterCee said:

I agree, man. I remember watching the Milli Vanilli thing on MTV and the train wreck that happened-with the internet now the news travels so much faster to the entire world in moments.

I guess it's somehow comforting that crap music is destroyed at a much faster rate now than ever.

I hope at least there's some sort of backlash against the prepacked easily digestible vomit inducing shit we've had to deal with since the early 90's, and maybe just maybe there's somebody in their basement that's been playing away and is ready to step up and make an impression.

It's people like Ashlee (she's not an artist, she's not a musician, she's a walking poster/tv ad) that make the record industry think that's what everyone wants. It's easy, there's money in it to be made, but no one takes the time to be able to cultivate someone with any real talent or at least understand that some bands need to make the first album to find their footing and if the door keeps revolving (unless CD's are somehow lowered to 9 bucks a pop at the most) they'll still be in meetings wondering where they went wrong.

The business side has been over the music side for years-they want their quick commercials to make you buy the product, buy the tie-ins, get your t-shirt so they go buy their new car, and I really hope that with the internet it means bands can do it a little more on their own, maybe via their websites. With iTunes and download technology it's proven that people will pay for songs they like, and albums at a cheaper rate in cases, so I'd love to see artists taking advantage of it.

If nothing else, kids need to check out their parents vinyl and CD collections-just spend some time looking. Even if they don't like half of it, there's exposure there-and I think it'd be good for kids to know who influenced their favorite bands and before that.

They don't have to be obsessive as the folks on the Org (even though I absolutely love the walking encyclopedias we have around here-damn cool cats) but at least get some exposure to things outside their forcefed realm of what they're told to buy.

When they learn to go by their own ears, the limits aren't by what MTV hands you-you can go back in time and still look forward.

I agree, especially this:

subhuman09 said:

The lesson here is: easy come, easy go. The "quickest" buck they ever made/lost.

CinisterCee said:

Exactly. Which is sadly, why I don't think they care as much as they should. There's another cash cow waiting in the wings probably as we speak.

That's why I think Prince's popularity is a good sign lately just on the historic standpoint for example. You take his influences-Sly, James, Stevie, the list goes on. I hope that with the Org for example maybe the newer fans (less obsessive/less exposed) on old soul, funk, jazz check that stuff out or at least learn about it on here-even by accident.

With the internet I think there's definitely hope. Everybody has friends either across the world or across the country that hear a local band and tell people about them. I know I do-I have friends in Seattle that have gotten me into some great local stuff there, and people should keep doing that. Reminds me of the old tape trading days but on a much larger scale.

There has to be more we can do besides speaking with our dollars and bitching about things on a website. I'd like to think that we can make an impact beyond hitting them in their wallets to wear maybe they can only order one appetizer that evening.

Beyond not buying stuff we're forcefed we check out up and coming artists as much as we can (and with the Org I know we're good there) but I wish there was a way to have the kids that aren't at the point as some of the others that already have been checking things out beyond what's on TV and the radio for years and have some sort of alternative MTV that's made for them saying-"You like this pop song? Check out this guy that the guy you like says influenced him." Just educating them without them knowing it I think would be great to at least somehow get the corporate bullshit aside for at least a minute and expose some real music.

Maybe I'm jaded (I'm sure I am at this point), but I thought I'd be quite a bit older before I said, "In my day, we knew what music was."

I'm not trying to be a snob, but when you know it's just for a quick buck and wish you could do something more about it, it's pretty damn frustrating.

CinisterCee said:

Neither.

That title goes to George W. Bush.



Malfunction #1: Bush Lied About WMDs in Iraq (Feb. 2004)

While America was shocked and outraged over something as trivial as a "wardrobe malfunction" at an entertainment event, the leader of free world was exposed as being caught in a lie. A year after using his 2003 State of the Union address to paint Iraq's allegedly vast arsenal of WMD as a grave threat to the United States and the world, Bush wisely avoided mentioning anything about uranium there--though he did spend a great deal of his latest SOTU defending the war on the grounds that "had we failed to act, the dictator's weapons of mass destruction programs would continue to this day." Dick Cheney, in interviews with USA Today and the Los Angeles Times, echoed this fudging--last year "weapons," this year "programs"--declaring that "the jury's still out" on whether Iraq had WMD and that "I am a long way at this stage from concluding that somehow there was some fundamental flaw in our intelligence."

Only days later, chief US weapons inspector David Kay quit and began telling the world what the Bush Administration had been denying since taking office: that Saddam Hussein's regime was but a weak shadow of the semi-fearsome military force it had been at the time of the first Gulf War thirteen years ago; that it had no significant chemical, biological or nuclear weapons programs or stockpiles still in place; and that the UN inspections and allied bombing runs in the 1990s had been much more effective than their critics had believed at eroding these programs.

This was Bush's story in October 2002, while promoting the idea of war during a speech in Cincinnati. He went to great lengths to describe the imminent threat Iraq posed with its ties to al-Qaeda and its endless supply of WMDs:

“Surveillance photos reveal that the (Iraqi) regime is rebuilding facilities that it had used to produce chemical and biological weapons,” Bush said. “Iraq possesses ballistic missiles with a likely range of hundreds of miles -- far enough to strike Saudi Arabia, Israel, Turkey, and other nations -- in a region where more than 135,000 American civilians and service members live and work.

"We've also discovered through intelligence that Iraq has a growing fleet of manned and unmanned aerial vehicles that could be used to disperse chemical or biological weapons across broad areas. We're concerned that Iraq is exploring ways of using these UAVS for missions targeting the United States. And, of course, sophisticated delivery systems aren't required for a chemical or biological attack; all that might be required are a small container and one terrorist or Iraqi intelligence operative to deliver it."

This sounded very threatening indeed before we found out that it was all fabricated.

So now we sit, 18 months into the war, with the loss of nearly 1,100 soldiers and over $150,000 billion in the hole, with no end in sight, and we find out Saddam was not lying. When he filed his report with the UN, he had no WMDs ("Report: Iraq posed no threat," 10/ 7).

At the same time the Janet/Justin scandal "rocked America," ALL OF THIS TOOK SECOND FIDDLE. Bush should be thanking Janet. Please don't forget on NOVEMBER 2nd, 2004 when you vote.

Janet was tacky, Ashlee is a fucking moron. I vote for the moron

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subhuman09 said:

cause they make good coasters.

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Christopher said:

You want fries with that, Chris?

subhuman09 said:

ill have ashlee live to go please.

Christopher said:

Your search - ashlee simpson live - did not match any documents.

subhuman09 said:

she better start on that jazz album or xmas cd quickly.

Christopher said:

Which one?

Pro Tools Tidings or Jessica's Getting The Tab Jazz Grooves?

or

subhuman09 said:

she needs tony m and the game boyz,justin timberlake on annoying,and then a little bit of larry on bass and prince as writer.

Christopher said:

Really? Could she handle the funk?

I picture her going in this direction:




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subhuman09 said:

as a bartender or alcoholic?

anyways,tony m. on the remix...i mean whats not to love?

Christopher said:

Check it again-it's both actually.

An alcoholic frycook-she could hook you up!

Can Tony handle life outside the Wal Mart nursery?

subhuman09 said:

well,thats perfect then.cause i like to get fancy some nights and pour a splash
of wine in my fries.


and tony m. can make his reality tv debut in a reality sitcom/drama about arapper and a pop singer working side by side al la real world style.

Christopher said:

Can't we crossover with another show though?

I say we reverse Amish in the City and send them to a remote town without any modern conveniences where they are forced to perform live for a series of judges and townspeople that vote on whether they should stay or be forced to live in the shack out by Smelly Ezekiel who still is convinced that he's seen an electric buggy around the parts but doesn't believe it's possible and that's it's the aliens.

Add all those up and it's a recipe for suckcess.

subhuman09 said:

ohhh this might work.as ashlee is good on tractors and such.

Christopher said:

So we get shausler and 9s to make guest appearances?

Janet made a relatively minor misstep, Ashlee.....well, Ashlee's gonna be living on the streets pretty soon.

So.....Ashlee it is! Why? It is better to have a wardrobe malfunction than a talent malfunction.
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Oh, and Vegas now has the odds set at 100:1, whether or not Ashlee will perform at tonight's Radio Music Awards.

I luv uuuuu
10/24/2004 10:37:32 PM - by Idiot Moron

I love u Ashlee i dont care if ur a big fat fraud!!!! i dont like music that ppl make from the heart, i like when a company givs a rich grl a cool lookin band an makes her famous instantly 4 no reason so i dont care if you lip sync tooooo

oops i pooped my pants

VoicesCarry said:

I'm gonna get your Anti-Ashlee meds refilled ok Voices?