OdysseyMiles said: leosqtpie said: A for this comment "if you know how to use your voice correctly, you wont wear it out".You are so wrong. there are alot of musicians who know how to use there voice's and have great technique that get the vocal cords torn by crazy ass touring.
Uh yeah, this is true, but Ashlee Simpson ain't "crazy ass touring". Metallica is "crazy ass touring". Ashlee's been doing spot dates to promote her record. She ain't flyin' all over Japan or Australia. It was evident on her reality show (soundin' like Courtney Love with a cold in the studio) that she does not know how to use her voice. and hell, even courtney doesn't lip synch! (and there are many times she should...) | |
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is there really 5 threads dedicated to this? Or did i miss one ---------------------------------
Funny and charming as usual | |
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is "snafu" an American word? never heard it before. | |
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Um, why was she dancing like that? | |
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mrdespues said: is "snafu" an American word? never heard it before.
Thats so cute and foreign. I use the word and I'm Canadian. | |
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mrdespues said: is "snafu" an American word? never heard it before.
i use that word all the time, and i shop at k-mart. | |
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Uh... this just in.
Now it's Acid Reflux that's the cause of this! This just keeps getting better! ----- Simpson Dad Blames Acid Reflux for Gaffe 33 minutes ago Entertainment - AP By DAVID BAUDER, AP Television Writer NEW YORK - If Ashlee Simpson's stomach was upset Saturday night, imagine how she's feeling now. Busted for a "Saturday Night Live" lip-synch gone awry, her manager-father said Monday his 19-year-old daughter used the extra help because acid reflux disease had made her voice hoarse. "Just like any artist in America, she has a backing track that she pushes so you don't have to hear her croak through a song on national television," Joe Simpson told Ryan Seacrest on Los Angeles radio station KIIS-FM. "No one wants to hear that." He insisted it would be Ashlee's live voice alone during her appearance on NBC's "Radio Music Awards" Monday night. And he said she's never used the extra help onstage before. "The whole situation was a bummer," Ashlee Simpson said in an interview on MTV's "Total Request Live." Simpson had performed her hit single "Pieces of Me" without incident earlier on "SNL." When she came back a second time, her band started playing and the first lines of her singing "Pieces of Me" could be heard again. She was holding her microphone at her waist at the time. Simpson looked momentarily confused as the band plowed ahead with the song and the vocal was quickly silenced. A flustered Simpson made some exaggerated hopping dance moves, then walked off the stage. She told "TRL" that she and her band didn't know what to do. "I think all of us went into a state of shock," she said. The incident exposed what many consider an obvious secret: that some singers who appear onstage aren't singing live at all, or at least have their voices augmented by backing tracks. And it's happened before on "Saturday Night Live," too, executive producer Lorne Michaels told the Associated Press. "She was mortified and in her dressing room, but (producer) Marci (Klein) got her to come out for goodnights and explained that it wasn't the end of the world. It wasn't her fault," Michaels told AP Radio. "Every artist that I know in this business has had vocal problems at some time — from Celine on down," said Joe Simpson, also father of Jessica Simpson. "So you've got to do what you've got to do." He said it was his decision to use the tapes when it became apparent that acid reflux disease had swollen Ashlee's vocal cords. After consulting Wayne Newton's doctor, she received a cortisone shot to get her ready for the "Radio Music Awards," he said. It was the band's drummer who pushed the wrong button onstage, he said. Said Michaels: "If she were a more seasoned performer then I think that she would've taken charge and said, `No, let's start this over again.'" To add to Ashlee's indignity Monday, eBay.com was auctioning off her private cell phone number, which it said had been inadvertently, and briefly, posted on her Web site. ----- If she were a more seasoned performer, we wouldn't be having this conversation. |
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June7 said: If she were a more seasoned performer, we wouldn't be having this conversation. well, what are we waiting for? | |
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Simpson said she suffers from a chronic condition of "severe" acid reflux disease — a condition in which the stomach's liquid content regurgitates into the esophagus — and that it began acting up at around 6 p.m. on Saturday, causing her to "completely [lose] my voice."
And yet she could talk just fine in her skits and during the final shoutout. My favourite quote, though: "Just like any artist in America, she has a backing track that she pushes so you don't have to hear her croak through a song on national television. No one wants to hear that. - her pimp father admitting she can't sing, but she croaks [Edited 10/25/04 16:44pm] | |
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VoicesCarry said: And yet she could talk just fine in her skits and during the final shoutout. I'm sayin'! She didn't even "need" a lipsync track (as if that was ever an acceptable excuse to walk off like that anyway). | |
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CinisterCee said: VoicesCarry said: And yet she could talk just fine in her skits and during the final shoutout. I'm sayin'! She didn't even "need" a lipsync track (as if that was ever an acceptable excuse to walk off like that anyway). "I was so upset," she said, "because I have never done that before. But my voice wasn't strong enough. I couldn't even speak." | |
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Acid Reflux, huh? TMI.
"Simpson had performed her hit single "Pieces of Me" without incident earlier on "SNL." When she came back a second time, her band started playing and the first lines of her singing "Pieces of Me" could be heard again. " That should read lip-synced without incident... "She told "TRL" that she and her band didn't know what to do. "I think all of us went into a state of shock," she said. " Um... the band knew what to do. Keep performing! No else looked confused or lost their cool. "Said Michaels: "If she were a more seasoned performer then I think that she would've taken charge and said, `No, let's start this over again.'" Or she could have just found her place and started singing the right song... Was the mic even on? Probably not... | |
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I like the dance. Now I kinda want to fuck her.
If she is over 18, it is ON! "I hate both of those dildos (Bush and Kerry), but Bush seems to be a smaller dildo, although even a small dildo can fuck the shit out of you." - Mastodon on the election | |
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CinisterCee said: mrdespues said: is "snafu" an American word? never heard it before.
Thats so cute and foreign. I use the word and I'm Canadian. how do you prononce it? what does it mean? it sounds pretentious to me.. | |
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mrdespues said: CinisterCee said: Thats so cute and foreign. I use the word and I'm Canadian. how do you prononce it? what does it mean? it sounds pretentious to me.. S.N.A.F.U. is an acronym for "Situation Normal, All Fucked Up." It is a military thing. "I hate both of those dildos (Bush and Kerry), but Bush seems to be a smaller dildo, although even a small dildo can fuck the shit out of you." - Mastodon on the election | |
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VinaBlue said: "Said Michaels: "If she were a more seasoned performer then I think that she would've taken charge and said, `No, let's start this over again.'" Or she could have just found her place and started singing the right song... Was the mic even on? Probably not... Well I'm not sure how her song "Shadow" goes, the one she was prepared to do, but the band really did seem to start playing the song she already did "Pieces of Me".. unless it has the same beat? | |
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Mastodon said: mrdespues said: how do you prononce it? what does it mean? it sounds pretentious to me.. S.N.A.F.U. is an acronym for "Situation Normal, All Fucked Up." It is a military thing. oh that's ok then! not so pretentious as it actually stands for something. cool. learn something new everyday. | |
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mrdespues said: Mastodon said: S.N.A.F.U. is an acronym for "Situation Normal, All Fucked Up." It is a military thing. oh that's ok then! not so pretentious as it actually stands for something. cool. learn something new everyday. .... and you say Americans are stupid... "...all you need ...is justa touch...of mojo hand....." | |
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CinisterCee said: VinaBlue said: "Said Michaels: "If she were a more seasoned performer then I think that she would've taken charge and said, `No, let's start this over again.'" Or she could have just found her place and started singing the right song... Was the mic even on? Probably not... Well I'm not sure how her song "Shadow" goes, the one she was prepared to do, but the band really did seem to start playing the song she already did "Pieces of Me".. unless it has the same beat? If you look at the band and not her, it looks like they are also confused and not playing anything at first. I barely see their hands moving. The drummer is playing something, so maybe he did cue the wrong song... not just a percussion part as was stated before. She's dancing along with the song and then looks around like why aren't the guys playing along? (Giving her the benefit of the doubt here...) So now I'm thinking what is she supposed to do? They turned down her vocal so she had nothing to mime to. Her mic probably wasn't on, otherwise she could have just sang. I don't know what the second song is supposed to sound like either. This is my first time hearing anything by her, but my friend said the second song was supposed to be a ballad and she instantly recognized the song in this clip as Pieces of Me, which is the first song she "performed." | |
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...and the haters are having a field day... prove me wrong | |
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HowComeUdontBanMeAnymore said: ...and the haters are having a field day...
ohhhhh...no one is hating on Ashlee....she should have postponed her peformance..... | |
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Rhondab said: HowComeUdontBanMeAnymore said: ...and the haters are having a field day...
no one is hating on Ashlee .... ... ... are we reading the same thread? prove me wrong | |
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link to the performance http://g.msn.com/0VD0/02/...d=3&sd=mbr | |
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I know that many of you have never actually seen how a sequenced performance is put together, so let me clarify this:
From what I see, it actually WAS the drummer's fault. Her unprofessionalism was her own fault, but cueing the wrong song is the fault of whomever is responsible for running the sequence. That is usually the job of the drummer or the keyboardist. Some sequencers trigger vocal samples; some artists use DAT (Digital Audio Tape) machines. Obviously, her drummer did. The drummer cued up the wrong song. Ashlee, not being a musician (or a real singer, but I digress) didn't catch that it was wrong at first, so she thought she had a longer intro than she actually did. When the vocals started without her, she realized the fuck up and did her little happy dance and history was written once again. Lots of artists do tracked shows. This is nothing new or specific to Ashlee. Even Prince has tracked portions of his performances in the past. She was just so very obvious about her mistake that it shows her lack of experience. All these excuses are really embarrassing. If she had continued on and picked up where the vocals were, it would have been a simple blurb across message boards "Did you see Ashlee Simpson miss her cue on SNL?" and "Ashlee Simpson lip-syncs!" Surprise, surprise. Instead, her "hoe-down" and leaving the stage caused all of this comotion. What she should be apologizing for is not being professional and finishing what she started. All these LIES about her voice and touring, the lighting being wrong, her tea being mango instead of "throat coat", her shoes being on too tight, her hairstylist combing her hair in the wrong direction and whatever else REALLY shows that she is miles away from being like her sister in the performance dept. | |
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BlaqueKnight said: I know that many of you have never actually seen how a sequenced performance is put together, so let me clarify this:
From what I see, it actually WAS the drummer's fault. Her unprofessionalism was her own fault, but cueing the wrong song is the fault of whomever is responsible for running the sequence. That is usually the job of the drummer or the keyboardist. Some sequencers trigger vocal samples; some artists use DAT (Digital Audio Tape) machines. Obviously, her drummer did. The drummer cued up the wrong song. Ashlee, not being a musician (or a real singer, but I digress) didn't catch that it was wrong at first, so she thought she had a longer intro than she actually did. When the vocals started without her, she realized the fuck up and did her little happy dance and history was written once again. Lots of artists do tracked shows. This is nothing new or specific to Ashlee. Even Prince has tracked portions of his performances in the past. She was just so very obvious about her mistake that it shows her lack of experience. All these excuses are really embarrassing. If she had continued on and picked up where the vocals were, it would have been a simple blurb across message boards "Did you see Ashlee Simpson miss her cue on SNL?" and "Ashlee Simpson lip-syncs!" Surprise, surprise. Instead, her "hoe-down" and leaving the stage caused all of this comotion. What she should be apologizing for is not being professional and finishing what she started. All these LIES about her voice and touring, the lighting being wrong, her tea being mango instead of "throat coat", her shoes being on too tight, her hairstylist combing her hair in the wrong direction and whatever else REALLY shows that she is miles away from being like her sister in the performance dept. I was thinking the same thing...that it was the drummer's fault, too. | |
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BlaqueKnight said: I know that many of you have never actually seen how a sequenced performance is put together, so let me clarify this:
From what I see, it actually WAS the drummer's fault. Her unprofessionalism was her own fault, but cueing the wrong song is the fault of whomever is responsible for running the sequence. That is usually the job of the drummer or the keyboardist. Some sequencers trigger vocal samples; some artists use DAT (Digital Audio Tape) machines. Obviously, her drummer did. The drummer cued up the wrong song. Ashlee, not being a musician (or a real singer, but I digress) didn't catch that it was wrong at first, so she thought she had a longer intro than she actually did. When the vocals started without her, she realized the fuck up and did her little happy dance and history was written once again. Lots of artists do tracked shows. This is nothing new or specific to Ashlee. Even Prince has tracked portions of his performances in the past. She was just so very obvious about her mistake that it shows her lack of experience. All these excuses are really embarrassing. If she had continued on and picked up where the vocals were, it would have been a simple blurb across message boards "Did you see Ashlee Simpson miss her cue on SNL?" and "Ashlee Simpson lip-syncs!" Surprise, surprise. Instead, her "hoe-down" and leaving the stage caused all of this comotion. What she should be apologizing for is not being professional and finishing what she started. All these LIES about her voice and touring, the lighting being wrong, her tea being mango instead of "throat coat", her shoes being on too tight, her hairstylist combing her hair in the wrong direction and whatever else REALLY shows that she is miles away from being like her sister in the performance dept. This is what struck me the most... not the lip synching (no surprise there), or the wrong track being cued (it happens) but how unprofessional she was and inexperienced she came off in standing around, doing the hoe-down and ultimately walking off stage. To walk off stage during a live performance is the last resort and showed how clueless she was about what to do. Been gone for a minute, now I'm back with the jump off | |
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Well the drummer didn't start playing a ballad, which is apparently what "Shadow" is supposed to sound like, and if he cues the recording, it is his fault. It is still crazy considering Ashlee's supposed stance on lipsyncing.
But yeah even Prince uses tracks... like the ending to "Purple Rain", the last song on the Musicology set. | |
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BlaqueKnight said: Ashlee, not being a musician (or a real singer, but I digress) didn't catch that it was wrong at first, so she thought she had a longer intro than she actually did. When the vocals started without her, she realized the fuck up and did her little happy dance and history was written once again.
Ok, but my friend said the second song was supposed to be a ballad and sounds nothing like the first song. Basically if she played along she would be performing the same song again. I don't understand how you miss your cue if you hear the song playing. I'm wondering if she had the right song in her ear, like a mini headphone (what are those called, monitors?) and then looked around and wondered why the guitarist and bassist weren't playing. I mean, they were barely moving their hands from what I could see on the clip I downloaded. So, in a sense I feel sorry for her. I understand this could happen to anyone, and she just didn't know how to handle it. Prince or Madonna would have performed the same damn song again and showed some booty or something. All these LIES about her voice and touring, the lighting being wrong, her tea being mango instead of "throat coat", her shoes being on too tight, her hairstylist combing her hair in the wrong direction and whatever else REALLY shows that she is miles away from being like her sister in the performance dept.
You're funny. | |
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three damn words: KNOW YOUR SHIT.
i've seen other performers screw up, and i've also seen them bounce back from it and save the performance. hell, i remember one of the most impressive performances on TV that i've ever seen was pearl bailey stopping a live telecast performance during an awards show, midsong, to say "i'm sorry, that sounded horrible, let's try it again". people love that shit because it takes balls to do it on live television. the bottom line, as far as everything i've seen and everything i know and everything i've been taught about performing is this: DON'T DROP THE BALL. and that's just was miss thing did on SNL. she coulda told the band to stop and then started whatever song she wanted, and if she played it cool it could have been passed off as a tribute to elvis costello's performance and she woulda gotten some unintentional hipster cred. but she didn't. she stumbled off stage like a loser. i don't care whose "fault" it is - in my eyes, little bo peep showed that she doesn't have the chops to be a true performer. a true performer gets off on being on that stage so much, that a fuck-up like what happened on SNL isn't gonna stop them from winning the audience. | |
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MrTation said: mrdespues said: oh that's ok then! not so pretentious as it actually stands for something. cool. learn something new everyday. .... and you say Americans are stupid... in what way shape or form was what i said stupid? snafu is an AMERICANISM. that I hadn't heard it before does not render me STUPID. grow up! | |
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