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Thread started 09/29/04 6:45am

raveon2tnek

biggest prince wanna be!

why is it that these guys so badly wanna be prince?here is the list:
michael jackson
terence trent d'arby
lenny kravitz
maxwell
raphael sodiq
d'angelo


got anyone else in mind?
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Reply #1 posted 09/29/04 7:00am

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Maybe Eddie Murphy at times.....check "put ur mouth on me" and "bubble hill" etc.....
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Reply #2 posted 09/29/04 7:04am

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Welcome to the org, raveon3tnek. Now prepare for the onslaught that will surely follow. Some orgers will be quick to point out that Prince fans think the world revolves around Prince and that Prince has his own influences as well, so leave these guys alone. And some might say it a little less diplomatically than that. But I digress.

I don't really believe that any of those guys WANT to be Prince per se. They aspire to hold the same type of reputation Prince has developed over the course of his career. MJ simply needs to rehabilitate his. Kravitz and TTD have been around a while, so their reps are pretty much set. The rest are kinda doing their own things.
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Reply #3 posted 09/29/04 7:33am

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the only person on that list that tries to be like prince is ttd. the rest have all developed their own thing with influences by many people...some of whom influenced p himself. i would think maxwell and d'angelo are bigger marvin gaye fans than prince fans. michael jackson bares no resemblance to prince in his musical (or dance) style. ttd, right down to the name change, is the poor man's prince. i like ttd, too, don;t get me wrong; i've got every one of his cds. only those in denial would say ttd is original in his image...shit, even the way he talks is reminiscent of prince...with his spiritual maze speech and all...
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Reply #4 posted 09/29/04 8:37am

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raveon2tnek said:

why is it that these guys so badly wanna be prince?here is the list:
michael jackson
terence trent d'arby
lenny kravitz
maxwell
raphael sodiq
d'angelo


got anyone else in mind?


Who is Raphael Sodiq? confuse
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Reply #5 posted 09/29/04 8:42am

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Wow. A new name has been added? Raphael? Oh right, he wore a ruffled shirt once in a video. Lord knows THAT never happened before Prince, right? couch, cough, LittleRichardLiberacePaulRevereandTheRaidersJimiHendrixAdamAntDavidBowieTheBeattles,etc. cough. Sananda (TTD) sounds NOTHING like Prince. People who are really into his music already know that lyrically they are so different it ain't even funny. Contentwise, musically there's no resemblence either. What they have in common is both of them are light-skinned black males with a "pretty boy" image who do a mixture of rock and funk. Actually, Sananda does a mixture of rock & soul. Now I see why TTD left the states. People probably wouldn't let him be himself here. How can you even show who you are when everybody is so busy trying to link you to someone else. R&B surface listeners seem to make these comparisons a lot. Of course these artists are influenced by Prince, as is probably every artist that came along during the time of Prince's popularity. Somehow, it seems that in the mind of Prince fans that when it comes to Prince influence=cloned. All of these artists have their own identites, personalities, etc. If you don't see that, then you probably don't know their work well enough. This is a tired subject. Michael Jackson? LMAO!!!! That's just plain stupid. Warner Brothers really did a number on some of your heads with their marketing campaign. I think some of you who have posted on this topic before are simply trying to make up for Prince's lack of relevance on today's music scene by trying to link him to artists who are currently influencing what's going on. Prince's status in music's history is secrrue. He's a legend. Let it go. Oh wait...this is Prince.org. "All roads lead to Prince" hmm hrmph rolleyes
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Reply #6 posted 09/29/04 8:53am

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Wow. A new name has been added? Raphael? Oh right, he wore a ruffled shirt once in a video. Lord knows THAT never happened before Prince, right? couch, cough, LittleRichardLiberacePaulRevereandTheRaidersJimiHendrixAdamAntDavidBowieTheBeattles,etc. cough. Sananda (TTD) sounds NOTHING like Prince. People who are really into his music already know that lyrically they are so different it ain't even funny. Contentwise, musically there's no resemblence either. What they have in common is both of them are light-skinned black males with a "pretty boy" image who do a mixture of rock and funk. Actually, Sananda does a mixture of rock & soul. Now I see why TTD left the states. People probably wouldn't let him be himself here. How can you even show who you are when everybody is so busy trying to link you to someone else. R&B surface listeners seem to make these comparisons a lot. Of course these artists are influenced by Prince, as is probably every artist that came along during the time of Prince's popularity. Somehow, it seems that in the mind of Prince fans that when it comes to Prince influence=cloned. All of these artists have their own identites, personalities, etc. If you don't see that, then you probably don't know their work well enough. This is a tired subject. Michael Jackson? LMAO!!!! That's just plain stupid. Warner Brothers really did a number on some of your heads with their marketing campaign. I think some of you who have posted on this topic before are simply trying to make up for Prince's lack of relevance on today's music scene by trying to link him to artists who are currently influencing what's going on. Prince's status in music's history is secrrue. He's a legend. Let it go. Oh wait...this is Prince.org. "All roads lead to Prince" hmm hrmph rolleyes


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Reply #7 posted 09/29/04 8:59am

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Maybe Eddie Murphy at times.....check "put ur mouth on me" and "bubble hill" etc.....


Good call! (I can't help thinking he fantasized about being a rock god like Prince.)

Didn't he wear a purple leather outfit during one of his stand-up acts? Also, during the premiere of "Purple Rain" he wore this leather thing around his neck, reminiscent of that leather "collar" w/snaps thing Prince wore during his "PR" days.
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Reply #8 posted 09/29/04 9:55am

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Michael Jackson has tried his damndest to look like Prince for years. The skin, the hair, everything. On his "You Are Not Alone" video, he looked just like Prince from the back....with the hair and the black lace shirt.

He's had a Prince complex for years. He even named, not one, but two of his sons Prince.

eek I'm going to hide now from the MJ fanatics. lol
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Reply #9 posted 09/29/04 10:11am

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BlaqueKnight said:

Wow. A new name has been added? Raphael? Oh right, he wore a ruffled shirt once in a video. Lord knows THAT never happened before Prince, right? couch, cough, LittleRichardLiberacePaulRevereandTheRaidersJimiHendrixAdamAntDavidBowieTheBeattles,etc. cough. Sananda (TTD) sounds NOTHING like Prince. People who are really into his music already know that lyrically they are so different it ain't even funny. Contentwise, musically there's no resemblence either. What they have in common is both of them are light-skinned black males with a "pretty boy" image who do a mixture of rock and funk. Actually, Sananda does a mixture of rock & soul. Now I see why TTD left the states. People probably wouldn't let him be himself here. How can you even show who you are when everybody is so busy trying to link you to someone else. R&B surface listeners seem to make these comparisons a lot. Of course these artists are influenced by Prince, as is probably every artist that came along during the time of Prince's popularity. Somehow, it seems that in the mind of Prince fans that when it comes to Prince influence=cloned. All of these artists have their own identites, personalities, etc. If you don't see that, then you probably don't know their work well enough. This is a tired subject. Michael Jackson? LMAO!!!! That's just plain stupid. Warner Brothers really did a number on some of your heads with their marketing campaign. I think some of you who have posted on this topic before are simply trying to make up for Prince's lack of relevance on today's music scene by trying to link him to artists who are currently influencing what's going on. Prince's status in music's history is secrrue. He's a legend. Let it go. Oh wait...this is Prince.org. "All roads lead to Prince" hmm hrmph rolleyes

Right on player! U hit that square on the jaw! I think someone is knocked the fuck out! In broad daylight too!
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Reply #10 posted 09/29/04 10:12am

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MJ has one of the most if not the most uniquely identifiable personas in music history. As big as his ego is, rest assured he doesn't think in "Prince terms". I think its the fans that make the Prince/MJ association. Since the media gave him the title of the King of pop, obviously his son would be the _____ (fill in the blank). MJhas never appeared to be threatened by anyone else, Prince included.
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Reply #11 posted 09/29/04 10:14am

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BlaqueKnight said:

MJ has one of the most if not the most uniquely identifiable personas in music history. As big as his ego is, rest assured he doesn't think in "Prince terms". I think its the fans that make the Prince/MJ association. Since the media gave him the title of the King of pop, obviously his son would be the _____ (fill in the blank). MJhas never appeared to be threatened by anyone else, Prince included.


It was Michael Jackson who gave himself the title 'King Of Pop'. Just a point.
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Reply #12 posted 09/29/04 10:17am

Rhondab

AMEN blaqueknight!!! there are days I wanna be your baby mamma.....you are so on point! lol thumbs up!
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Reply #13 posted 09/29/04 10:19am

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blackguitaristz said:[quote]

BlaqueKnight said:

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Right on player! U hit that square on the jaw! I think someone is knocked the fuck out! In broad daylight too!


Thanks, brotha. They already know; they just like to fantasize - at the cost of other artists' reps. It must really suck at times to be so enamored with one artist that the artist becomes a reference point for every other artist. How could other artists' works be fully enjoyed and appreciated?
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howcomeudontcallme said:

BlaqueKnight said:

MJ has one of the most if not the most uniquely identifiable personas in music history. As big as his ego is, rest assured he doesn't think in "Prince terms". I think its the fans that make the Prince/MJ association. Since the media gave him the title of the King of pop, obviously his son would be the _____ (fill in the blank). MJhas never appeared to be threatened by anyone else, Prince included.


It was Michael Jackson who gave himself the title 'King Of Pop'. Just a point.



I never heard Micheal say that. I've only heard the press say it. Prove that if you can. I'm not trying to be a smart ass; I sincerely have only heard the press call him that; and then later try to imply that HE called himself that instead of them. In any circumstance, calling MJ a "Prince wannabe" is still laughable. Uh, you have heard of Michael Jackson, right? So has EVERYONE ELSE IN THE WORLD. Prince is not as recognizable.
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Reply #15 posted 09/29/04 10:25am

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BlaqueKnight said:

MJ has one of the most if not the most uniquely identifiable personas in music history. As big as his ego is, rest assured he doesn't think in "Prince terms". I think its the fans that make the Prince/MJ association. Since the media gave him the title of the King of pop, obviously his son would be the _____ (fill in the blank). MJhas never appeared to be threatened by anyone else, Prince included.

Even though I agree with you 100 and 15% on everything else, MJ was trippin' over P during 81-84. Some of the Jacksons, Jermaine, Janet, Randy, all dug P's music and were impressed. Mike was too, but because Mike knew he couldn't compete against P's musicianship and his wild sexual image, Mike felt threatned and somewhat jealous. In a book about MJ, someone who had worked for Mike for years talked about how jealous Mike was of P's success during Purple Rain. How P had this big movie and women flipping out over him when P was just as feminine as Mike was.This bothered Mike. MJ would not watch the American Music Awards in 85 cuz he knew P would clean up on the awards. No one was could mention P's name in Mike's pressence during that time. In 81-85, that was P's years as far as moving up in the industry as a star. P was getting a lot of attention. During this time, Mike simply didn't like it and didn't know how to compete with it.
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Reply #16 posted 09/29/04 10:34am

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BlaqueKnight said:

howcomeudontcallme said:



It was Michael Jackson who gave himself the title 'King Of Pop'. Just a point.



I never heard Micheal say that. I've only heard the press say it. Prove that if you can. I'm not trying to be a smart ass; I sincerely have only heard the press call him that; and then later try to imply that HE called himself that instead of them. In any circumstance, calling MJ a "Prince wannabe" is still laughable. Uh, you have heard of Michael Jackson, right? So has EVERYONE ELSE IN THE WORLD. Prince is not as recognizable.
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He so gave himself that name, thats why he's titled the "self procclaimed" King of pop, as they say it on the news.
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blackguitaristz said:


Even though I agree with you 100 and 15% on everything else, MJ was trippin' over P during 81-84. Some of the Jacksons, Jermaine, Janet, Randy, all dug P's music and were impressed. Mike was too, but because Mike knew he couldn't compete against P's musicianship and his wild sexual image, Mike felt threatned and somewhat jealous. In a book about MJ, someone who had worked for Mike for years talked about how jealous Mike was of P's success during Purple Rain. How P had this big movie and women flipping out over him when P was just as feminine as Mike was.This bothered Mike. MJ would not watch the American Music Awards in 85 cuz he knew P would clean up on the awards. No one was could mention P's name in Mike's pressence during that time. In 81-85, that was P's years as far as moving up in the industry as a star. P was getting a lot of attention. During this time, Mike simply didn't like it and didn't know how to compete with it.


MJ had Thriller in 82' Prince wasn't getting the attention MJ was. I can see 84-85, but not 81'-83'. Those were the Micheal mania years. If I had a dime for every Beat It jacket knockoff I saw...LOL! You remember the ghetto Beat It jackets that didn't have as many zippers and the Thriller jackets that were as thin as windbreakers? People who came to school in those joints got clowned! LOL! Still, I think any jealousy would have been more towards the attention he wasn't getting. He probably did have a little jealousy of Prince's musical skills, but MJ image has always been solid in the originality category.
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Reply #18 posted 09/29/04 10:36am

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jayaredee said:

BlaqueKnight said:




I never heard Micheal say that. I've only heard the press say it. Prove that if you can. I'm not trying to be a smart ass; I sincerely have only heard the press call him that; and then later try to imply that HE called himself that instead of them. In any circumstance, calling MJ a "Prince wannabe" is still laughable. Uh, you have heard of Michael Jackson, right? So has EVERYONE ELSE IN THE WORLD. Prince is not as recognizable.
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He so gave himself that name, thats why he's titled the "self procclaimed" King of pop, as they say it on the news.



PROOF PLEASE. Do you believe everything the "news" tells you?
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Reply #19 posted 09/29/04 10:37am

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BlaqueKnight said:

jayaredee said:



He so gave himself that name, thats why he's titled the "self procclaimed" King of pop, as they say it on the news.



PROOF PLEASE. Do you believe everything the "news" tells you?



Yes i do actually considering they can be sued for false claims. He is indeed self procclaimed if you dont believe that fine, you can live in a magical peter pan land with mj too
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Reply #20 posted 09/29/04 10:41am

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I don't think anyone can top this cat! hmph!
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From the book Mtv Uncensored page 186:

Kurt Loder- "Michael Jackson sent around a release at one point where all the VJs were told they had to refer to him as the King of Pop. This was just really offensive. And they didn't even approach us about that in the news department."


Dave Sirulnick- "We could not get over the fact that they had the audacity to actually do this, that he was sort of crowning himself, and we just thought this was the craziest thing in the world. And they were serious about it. Michael was serious about a lot of these kinds of things at that time. He liked awards, and he liked being honored, and he really thought he was the King of Pop and wanted to be referred to that way. Well, you know, of course, as soon as we got that, and put it in Kurt Loder's hands, for the next decade, it was "the self-proclaimed King of Pop"."

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jayaredee

BlaqueKnight said:

blackguitaristz said:


Even though I agree with you 100 and 15% on everything else, MJ was trippin' over P during 81-84. Some of the Jacksons, Jermaine, Janet, Randy, all dug P's music and were impressed. Mike was too, but because Mike knew he couldn't compete against P's musicianship and his wild sexual image, Mike felt threatned and somewhat jealous. In a book about MJ, someone who had worked for Mike for years talked about how jealous Mike was of P's success during Purple Rain. How P had this big movie and women flipping out over him when P was just as feminine as Mike was.This bothered Mike. MJ would not watch the American Music Awards in 85 cuz he knew P would clean up on the awards. No one was could mention P's name in Mike's pressence during that time. In 81-85, that was P's years as far as moving up in the industry as a star. P was getting a lot of attention. During this time, Mike simply didn't like it and didn't know how to compete with it.


MJ had Thriller in 82' Prince wasn't getting the attention MJ was. I can see 84-85, but not 81'-83'. Those were the Micheal mania years. If I had a dime for every Beat It jacket knockoff I saw...LOL! You remember the ghetto Beat It jackets that didn't have as many zippers and the Thriller jackets that were as thin as windbreakers? People who came to school in those joints got clowned! LOL! Still, I think any jealousy would have been more towards the attention he wasn't getting. He probably did have a little jealousy of Prince's musical skills, but MJ image has always been solid in the originality category.


Michaels time has come and gone, now in days Prince gets way more respect than MJ, and he deserves it
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orgjacko said:

From the book Mtv Uncensored page 186:

Kurt Loder- "Michael Jackson sent around a release at one point where all the VJs were told they had to refer to him as the King of Pop. This was just really offensive. And they didn't even approach us about that in the news department."


Dave Sirulnick- "We could not get over the fact that they had the audacity to actually do this, that he was sort of crowning himself, and we just thought this was the craziest thing in the world. And they were serious about it. Michael was serious about a lot of these kinds of things at that time. He liked awards, and he liked being honored, and he really thought he was the King of Pop and wanted to be referred to that way. Well, you know, of course, as soon as we got that, and put it in Kurt Loder's hands, for the next decade, it was "the self-proclaimed King of Pop"."

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And what YEAR was this supposed letter circulated? Who said eM-Tvy was the first one to call him the King of pop? I thought it was the tabloids. I never said he didn't adopt and embrace the title. Obviously he did, since he named his son Prince. I can clearly remember a time when "self-proclaimed" was not part of that "King Of Pop" title, so it sounds to me like somebody over at Mtv is rewriting HIStory.

Michaels time has come and gone, now in days Prince gets way more respect than MJ, and he deserves it


That's subjective. Both have well-earned their respect as artists.
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jayaredee said:

Michaels time has come and gone, now in days Prince gets way more respect than MJ, and he deserves it


Michael still gets no.1 albums. Prince doesn't. And that says what?
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Reply #25 posted 09/29/04 11:15am

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Cloudbuster said:

jayaredee said:

Michaels time has come and gone, now in days Prince gets way more respect than MJ, and he deserves it


Michael still gets no.1 albums. Prince doesn't. And that says what?


No. 1 albums?

When did he release his last album? And it may have went to #1 (i dunno if it did) it still flopped and went to hell, while Musicology did so well and is so much better.
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Reply #26 posted 09/29/04 11:21am

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Cloudbuster said:

jayaredee said:

Michaels time has come and gone, now in days Prince gets way more respect than MJ, and he deserves it


Michael still gets no.1 albums. Prince doesn't. And that says what?


If Prince invested 30 million dollars into his albums, I'm sure they would do a lot better too. razz
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Reply #27 posted 09/29/04 11:23am

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This topic is not about MJ vs. Prince; MJ is no wanna be. He's an "already is". Next thing you know, you fanatics will be calling Elvis a Prince wannabe.
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Reply #28 posted 09/29/04 11:25am

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Hey is that Giorgio?
Been gone for a minute, now I'm back with the jump off
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Reply #29 posted 09/29/04 11:28am

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Hey is that Giorgio?


YUP!!!! lol
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