Rhondab said:

Strong black men pertains to fathered . The statics between single parenting and how the child turns out---no dad in the home.

Thanks for responding.

Yeah, I think I was confusing R&B or maybe "rap" with hard-core hip-hop. However, I occasionally see some male dancers in party scenes in hip hop videos. For SURE the R&B/pop female artists like Janet or Beyonce use gay male dancers. However, I wonder if male R&B recording artists like Usher or even a pop artist like Justin Timberlake will work with gay male dancers since homophobia apparently still exists in some entertainment circles.
[Edited 10/24/04 13:34pm]

lezama said:

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I did not say I think a gay man is weak but a gay man is not going to be married to a woman and raising a family. This is the kind of thing the makes a community grow. I lot of African-Americans do not except homosexulity and do look at it as being weak and detrimental to the community.

The down-low issue is only making it worst. It would be great if the African-American community would expect homosexuality but reqardless it does let the down low brothers off the hook. No way should these guys go around giving woman aids and blaming it on the lack of openess in the African-American community. I think this down-low thing is totally mental and if homosexulaity were accepted in the community these guys would still be pulling this shit.

Thumparello said:

So I'm confused... is it that you want more closeted men raising children as though there were nothing going on? Or do you want gay black men to somehow just not exist? I don't quite see what wanting "strong black men" for the "black community" has to do with the issue of homophobia? Are not women who talk like this (saying 'strong black men' this and that and ignoring the *problems* produced by homophobia and closeted males) merely perpetuating the problem of homophobia in "the black community"? I don't see how ignoring the issue at hand is helpful at all??

laurarichardson said:

OK.. I see what you're saying. I'm not sure though that if homosexuality were more accepted that you'd have the same problem. Where I live at the moment, homosexuality is quite accepted and open and one simply doesn't see here the type of problems that you have where you are.

And I also don't think that the gay black male issue should be used as a scapegoat for the problems of black men in general vis a vis the family. Understanding and developing a healthy integration of gays within the black community should not in my opinion act to the detriment of the black community in general. In fact, I think it should help.

Thumparello said:

ok...

I find it interesting that no one's mentioned how RACIST the homosexual comminuty is!



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Applause is in order for these comments from the following orgers...

heybaby said:


Rhondab said:


lezama said:



Very thoughtful, right on and correct!

Chico1 said:

whoa! thats a whole notha complicated issue. i find that whole thing to be both silly and hypocritical. it doesn't make sense to discriminate and also be a victim of a violation of human rights. simple as that. anybody like that is narrow minded and two-faced.

Chico1 said:

You're right. The homosexual community is just like the straight community. We have racists, non-racists, bad people and good people. It's really no different.

Miguel

heybaby said:

Sad but true!

MIGUELGOMEZ said:

And I support our gay brothers and sisters too.

Very true. When I first started going to gay clubs, I was surprised to see that racism existed. I just assumed that a group of people that has been discriminated against so much, would be above racism. I was wrong, it definately exists and it exists on both the black and the white side of the fence.

RipHer2Shreds said:

"Still Gutta" just sums it right up. This shit belongs in the gutter, being pissed on by bums and stray dogs.

"Hip hop" and "rap" suck total balls.

RipHer2Shreds said:

I don't know Protegee's sexual orientation. But she is an ally. She's rapped on LGBT hip hop compilations and a lot of her tracks are produced by Tori Fixx (a gay MC/producer/songwriter) who was also a DJ for Prince.

vainandy said:

u would think so. I think they just might be at the forefront of it all. Along with age discrimination.

Gay people, as well as any other group of people, are influenced by their family growing up and their surroundings. Openly gay people are one of the few groups of people I have seen that have the strength to go against the rules of society and do as they please, no matter what anyone else thinks. That's why I was so surprised to see that racism exists.

Of course, in the gay world, just like any other world, it is separated into different groups of people where everyone is trying to "fit in" and be popular with a certain group of "popular" people. This is rediculous because if a person has the guts to not be concerned with "fitting in" with so-called "normal" society, why would they try to "fit in" with a certain group in the gay society?

Just like in the straight the world, where a lot a white men will sleep with a black woman in secret and keep it hush hush...in the gay world, a lot of white men will sleep with a black man and keep it hush hush. That has been going on for years. I've also noticed recently that prejudice has become extremely popular in the black clubs also. I have seen countless black people that claim that they hate white people and believe in "sticking with their own kind" and then turn around and sleep with a white man and keep it hush hush from their friends.

The whole club scene lately has become a drag. I basically stay home most of the time now and have friends over. I've got two turntables with pitch, two CD players with pitch, a mixer, and a stereo system that is guaranteed to disturb the neighbors. I have stacks and stacks of records and CDs with plenty of "good" music. I have friends over almost every weekend and they are always bringing new friends. If the mood wants to turn a little freaky, well, it's the privacy of my own home and anything goes....and race is definately not an issue..."white, black, puerto rican...everybody's just a' freakin'".

We have our own little "private party" and they can have their little narrow minded world. It's a lot safer throwing parties at home also. No arguing with trade, no running into crack heads, and no dodging police on the way home because you are driving under the influence. We basically party until we fall asleep and everyone gets up the next morning, drinks coffee, and leaves. I only go to clubs now when my friends are busy or if I want to meet new people.
[Edited 10/25/04 23:00pm]

vainandy said:

Chico1 said:

Cloudbuster said:

Isel said:

I think they both will and they both have.....

JANFAN4L said:

Hey JANFAN4L can you recommend some LGTB hip hop artists because all I am familiar with is Caushun.

boriquateddy said:

That's good to know coz I would really hate see these GREAT dancers discriminated agaisnt due to their sexual orientation. Thanks for responding.

boriquateddy said:

Papi,

check out gayhiphop.com there are a lot of cool artists there. I'm really not into Caushun but there's some people in the San Francisco Bay are that are pretty good. BigDickollective is one group. There's a cholo from L.A. too but I can't think of his name right now. Check it out.

Miguel

They are OVERLY homophobic because they are probably gay themselves. I have noticed that the boys who tend to be gay and try to hide it always end up being more hateful toward gay men than necessary. There are a lot of gay men in the hip hop world (in the entertainment business and in the "real world"), yet they SAY nothing about it b/c they don't want their "boys" to make fun of them. This is why Black women have such a high AIDS rate: messing with men who are messing with men but pretending not to be! SO to prove they are not GAY, the men go overboard and say stupid, over the top things and pretend they are homophobic. OH PLEASE! give me a break-- I hate hip hop anyway; usually I wouldn't respond to a post with the word HIP HOP in it, but I just felt I had to respond to this.

JANFAN4L said:

It's all the same! Isn't Kanye west shown on 106? And Common is just like the other "rappers", he just wears different types of clothing to stand out from the pack because really nothing else separates him from any other rapper, but his clothing. ACK, it sucks-- this hip hop!
[Edited 10/28/04 14:32pm]

LittleLamb said:

Not trying to convince someone who dosen't like hip hop anyway, but as far as Common is concerned he once had homophobic lyrics ,however on "Electric Circus",he has a song were he obviously changes his views on the subject, "Between me,you,& liberation" were he talks about unconditionally loving a homeboy who comes out of the closet. So I feel artists are entiled to grow,it's like just because you feel one way about something today doesn't mean you can't be educated and learn some tolerance and acceptance.