Rhondab said:

Maybe not. But there's more homophobia in black music than any other genre.

Thumparello said

Have you ever been with a women? Maybe I don't understand it. Cause anything sexual is a choice. My friend Duane was gay for along time now he's not anymore since he turned to Christianity. That's the part I fell to understand?

If I cheat on my spouse I could say it's my natural urges but I have a choice not to do that, cause it's not the right thing. Don't take this the wrong way,I've had this discussion with my friend. Good it be mental? I don't know be lots of things and consider it to be natural to make it acceptable.

Cloudbuster said:

there is more to "black music" than Hip Hop....and just as I stated...I clearly remember hearing the SAME criticism of heavy mental which is another genre of music where young men feel they have something to prove. I still say its more of a GENDER issue than race. Men...no matter the race have more of an issue with homosexuality than females...especially young men. I'm not saying that there isn't homophobia in the black community...but this isn't about black ppl as much as it is about young men....and having to PROVE their heterosexuality in a genre of music that prides itself on machismo.


this isn't a black thing. lawdy...

Cloudbuster said:

That's right. Wish more were like me don't you?

TheDeacon said

Well first of all you are in NO position to call anyone a "ugly monkey" because based on your avatar, YOU ARE UGLY!!!

2nd calling another black person a monkey(especially on a website such as this) is ignorant and immature. As if we don't have enough problems with white people calling us names like that, now we have another black person saying? SHAME ON YOU!!

And lastly, i agree with rappers such as 50 cent; I CAN'T GET WITH FAGS EITHER!!!

I think most gay men have been with a woman before they came out of the closet because society keeps telling that a woman is what they are supposed to be with.

I don't think homosexuality is a choice, I think it something you are born with. Why would anyone choose to be someone that is the most discriminated against person in the world? Gay discrimination is much more widespread than race discrimination. If you are gay, you are discriminated against in your own race and by your own family. Why would anyone choose to be put in such a horrible situation?

Even though a person is born gay, he still has a choice of whether to actually be with a man or a woman. Those that choose to be with the opposite sex are usually going against their sexual urges and doing what society is telling them they should be doing.

I've also seen many gay men so-called "convert" to heterosexuality. I think the sexual attraction to the same sex is still there but they are not acting on it because they are trying to go along with what society is telling them is right.

I'm very surprised to see that you feel that way. I have seen some of your posts on the org and you definately have a lot of knowledge of Prince and his music so it is obvious that you are not just one of his casual fans. I don't think anyone can deny that Prince has had a gay look since day one.

I agree that NPD 313 used a bad choice of words in expressing his anger. It angers you to see people discriminating within their own race so why do you turn around and have hatred for another group of people? You, of all people, should understand what if feels like to be discriminated against.

Hate is wrong period. No matter who you are inflicting it on.

You are right. I was very, very angry earlier when i wrote that and i took it out on npd313. I don't really feel this way, i just wanted to vent and this was the only way i knew how. Sorry everyone.

I do however still have strong feeling about a black person calling another black person a monkey but i should have expressed it in a different way.

Agreed. It isn't a black thing. Altho' one could be forgiven for thinking it is.

Cloudbuster said:

no, one couldn't.

this is less about black folks than it is about a male dominated industry.

I remember some heavy mental songs back in the day had some homophobic lyrics, another male dominated genre of music.

Didn't G-n-R have a song talking about "faggots"?


This issue is about heterosexual homophobic men not the black community which I would agree has some homophobic issues that are grounded in the church and NOT because of the lack of "strong black men" or whatever.



And what is the lack of strong black men.....I know plenty of strong black men...


This isn't a race issue.....

this is less about black folks than it is about a male dominated industry.

I remember some heavy mental songs back in the day had some homophobic lyrics, another male dominated genre of music.

Didn't G-n-R have a song talking about "faggots"?


This issue is about heterosexual homophobic men not the black community which I would agree has some homophobic issues that are grounded in the church and NOT because of the lack of "strong black men" or whatever.



And what is the lack of strong black men.....I know plenty of strong black men...


This isn't a race issue.....

Rhondab said:

You know damm well what is meant by lack of strong black men it the community.

Black men taking care of their children, being married to the mother of their children, being gainfully employed, staying out of the drug game and jail.

A strong black man would make an attempt to try a do these things. I don't think being gay is weak but, with a lot of the issues in the black community most African-Americans feel we don't need to deal with the gay issue to.

I do however still have strong feeling about a black person calling another black person a monkey but i should have expressed it in a different way.

I Love Hip Hop...when I think of Hip Hop, I think of artist(s) like: Talib Kweli, Common, The Roots, Mos Def and The Fugees!

But lately Hip Hop has been cheated by artist(s) like : Cash Money Boys, P-diddy, G-Unit, Nelly and other acts who aren't really hip hop...perhaps just RAP!


So I'm listening to Lil Wayne's "Go DJ"...which is a song I used to hate, now I find myself liking it...
Well once I actually listened to the lyrics, he states "Homo Ni**as getting aids in the a** , and I'm getting paid in advance", why does artist feel a need to diss gay men all the f**king time?

You got...50 Cent who says he can't get with f*ggots...when in fact I don't know a gay man who'd want his ugly monkey looking a**.

It just makes me sick to my stomach that men waste time on topics that don't concern themselves...if your not gay and you don't think gay, why are you even talking about it...just rap about something you do know.

What are your thoughts prince.org?

ThreadBare said:

So you don't believe in forgiving people? A little odd coming from you.

this is less about black folks than it is about a male dominated industry.

I remember some heavy mental songs back in the day had some homophobic lyrics, another male dominated genre of music.

Didn't G-n-R have a song talking about "faggots"?


This issue is about heterosexual homophobic men not the black community which I would agree has some homophobic issues that are grounded in the church and NOT because of the lack of "strong black men" or whatever.



And what is the lack of strong black men.....I know plenty of strong black men...


This isn't a race issue.....

Motherfuckers are closet
cases.

G-Unit stands for Guerilla Unit...for all the misinformed!

So if your gonna call yourself a guerilla, you might as well be just that!

laurarichardson said:

those things you described a strong black is true but those are the things that make a man anyway. And i have a problem with this because to insinuate that the things that a man is supposed to do puts the 'strong black man' beneath that. And thats not true, you are above that and more. In poor black neighborhoods where this issue is rampant, when a black man does the things he's supposed to do it's seen as if he's doing more. we should stop using the word 'strong' cause it seems to put a lot of pressure on black men and black women. And even though most african americans may feel that homosexuality is not a African American 'issue'-it is-there are african american homosexuals and we're all in this boat together.
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I'm not actually in dispute with anything that you said above.

Also, don't sleep on...

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I agree that you cannot over-generalize. I can only speak from my experiences and my area. I live in the South. I have been going to gay clubs since 1990 and in my city there has always been one predominately black club and one predominately white club.

I started going to the black club exclusively until around 1995. The music was great. It was strictly house music and fast dance rap music and the DJ mixed it to perfection. The only slow song that was played was the last song before closing. This club was wild as hell. It was like what I had seen on television about Studio 54. There was only one problem, trade was everywhere. They lurked around every corner.

Around 1995, rap music started taking over and the black club started playing mostly midtempo gangsta rap. That's when I started going to the white club. The white club still played house music but it was techno house. I can deal with techno more than I can deal with rap. More and more of the older black people started leaving the black club and going to the white club.

When I started going to the white club, I was amazed that they did not have a trade problem at all. White bisexual men would openly admit that they were bisexual. I've also noticed that bisexual women, whether black or white, have no problem admitting that they are bisexual also. I don't know why but it seems that the only bisexuals that have a problem admitting their sexuality are black males. I've seen a few that will admit it but the majority won't.

I've also seen white trade also. I hardly ever see them in clubs. The ones I have seen are usually truckers, roadies, stage hands, or carnival workers. Men whose work requires them to travel all the time.

I don't agree that most bisexual people are open with their sexuality because of the trade. They are bisexual also and they will not admit it. These men could be any girlfriend's man or any wife's husband. We don't know truly how many bisexuals there are because so many of them are in the closet.

laurarichardson said:

those things you described a strong black is true but those are the things that make a man anyway. And i have a problem with this because to insinuate that the things that a man is supposed to do puts the 'strong black man' beneath that. And thats not true, you are above that and more. In poor black neighborhoods where this issue is rampant, when a black man does the things he's supposed to do it's seen as if he's doing more. we should stop using the word 'strong' cause it seems to put a lot of pressure on black men and black women. And even though most african americans may feel that homosexuality is not a African American 'issue'-it is-there are african american homosexuals and we're all in this boat together.

Firstly...Thanx for the compliment "TheDeacon", I'm not the one who you'll have to come home too, so it doesn't matter what you think about me!
Further more I could care less about your comment!

2nd, I said 50 Cent was an ugly monkey, because...he feels that all gay men or faggots as he refers to us (myself), that were always interested in getting some d**k from every guy who walks our way.
I have standards and morals as well as a gay man.

Whether or not he can relate to us... is his own opinion, because he never had the opportunity to befriend an openly gay man...seeming he knows many from being in that business...but its very hush hush!

As for Thumparello...I have had a girlfriend and we did have sex...that was my choice to see if it was for me...and it wasn't because I knew who I was from the start.
But because in the so called normal world, all we have on t.v. and around us are...heterosexual couples, so hell, why not get a girlfriend and do the damn thang...well it wasn't for me...I didn't choose my sexuality, it chose me!

I act on it...because its who I am!

As far as me calling 50 cent a monkey, I didn't mean it because he's a black man. I meant it because he looks like one!
His G-Unit group stands for Gorilla Unit...for all the misinformed!

So if your gonna call yourself a gorilla, you might as well be just that!

*...and "TheDeacon" if you can't get with a faggot, then you didn't need to even read this thread!
Usually...guys who think about it, follow suite, if I'm browsing through a forum and it says...'heterosexual' and it doesn't apply to me, I would keep going.
I play sports and watch them, I listen to some hip hop, I grew up on it!
From Run DMC to KRS-One...Rap wasn't that degrading and inappropriate back then...so I could appreciate it more back then, to allow artist(s) to publicly state homophobic hatred and bigotry is creating a world of crime and chaos!

If anyone of you on this forum were to meet me at a party...you'd never think I was gay...we can talk and joke all day and you'd never get it!
So why couldn't someone get with a faggot like me, when I'm just as normal and human as the next guy.
The only thing we wouldn't have in common would be "girls" and trust me I love females, just not in the business of sexually glorifying or degrading them!

...and as far as the comments about a black man calling someone of his same race a name, well 50 isn't my brother, he's not my race...I have a completely different and diverse background... NO; I am not racist!

He deserves to be called one!
Because he called ppl who are like myself a faggot!
Now if that ain't discrimitive, then what is!
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heybaby said:

Heybaby

and my point is that I know of many positive black men and I'm so tired of ppl acting like there aren't ANY black men in our community doing the right thing. Of course, I know the issues in the community but this topic has nothing to do with whether or not there are "strong black men" in the community. I'm sure there are gay men who would argue that they had positive male influences and that had no influence on their sexual orientation.

Cloudbuster said:

So much for one-liners...

I knew someone would say that.

It's not about unforgiveness. Let's just say the practice of making all things ignorant exclusive to black-aligned arenas is a sore spot with me.

But the offense didn't require forgiveness. I just wanted... Oh, you just wanted me to sputter on like I'm doing.

Ya happy?

You know damm well what is meant by lack of strong black men it the community.

Black men taking care of their children, being married to the mother of their children, being gainfully employed, staying out of the drug game and jail.

A strong black man would make an attempt to try a do these things. I don't think being gay is weak but, with a lot of the issues in the black community most African-Americans feel we don't need to deal with the gay issue to.

This is a little off-topic. I'm a fan of some GREAT dancers who just happen to be gay, and I was wondering if you all have ever heard of a dancer being turned down for hip-hop videos due to his sexual preference? I mean, these guys ARE NOT overtly feminine or "stereotypically" gay when they dance, so it's not a question of style or ability, but everyone knows that they are gay 'coz they just don't hide it. Since the hip-hop community is so homophobic, I would think it would be VERY difficult for an openly gay dancer to be cast in a hip-hop music video.
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