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Thread started 10/14/04 11:37am

blackboab

WHY DID DAVID BOWIE NEVER MAKE IT BIG IN AMERICA?

despite making some of the greatest music of the 70s, david bowie was never a huge seller in america...i find this amazing!!!...even his greatest albums like ziggy stardust(peaked at 75 in billboard), hunky dory (peaked at 93)and low(peaked at 11) never made the americian top ten album chart....what happened america?
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Reply #1 posted 10/14/04 11:57am

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Who cares? He made it in the U.K. And then some. smile


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Reply #2 posted 10/14/04 12:02pm

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I guess the US was way too conservative for the Bowie of back then. And in fact would still be.
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Reply #3 posted 10/14/04 2:52pm

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Ziggy Stardust is famous for not making it big in America. But in reality he has probably sold almost an equal amount of records in US during his career than throughout the rest of the world. He has had several top ten singles and top twenty albums.

The question you are really asking here is: "why don't non-American artists make it big in America?" ... I think I wrote a really long essay on this subject some year ago and posted it to this forum as well.
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Reply #4 posted 10/14/04 3:18pm

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I think Bowie was big in America. I don't know where you get your chart info from but check on the sales for Lets Dance or Young Americans. My guess is those are his biggest selling American releases. He has also toured here numerous times & is always a success.
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Reply #5 posted 10/14/04 3:21pm

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thedoorkeeper said:

I think Bowie was big in America. I don't know where you get your chart info from but check on the sales for Lets Dance or Young Americans. My guess is those are his biggest selling American releases. He has also toured here numerous times & is always a success.



I don't know the specific numbers, but I think that the "Let's Dance" album was a huge success in America. Hell, he was even on Soul Train back then. And a white dude on Soul Train back then usually meant huge crossover success.



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Reply #6 posted 10/14/04 3:23pm

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Redayh said:

thedoorkeeper said:

I think Bowie was big in America. I don't know where you get your chart info from but check on the sales for Lets Dance or Young Americans. My guess is those are his biggest selling American releases. He has also toured here numerous times & is always a success.



I don't know the specific numbers, but I think that the "Let's Dance" album was a huge success in America. Hell, he was even on Soul Train back then. And a white dude on Soul Train back then usually meant huge crossover success.



Sarita


I think the success of that album was solely because of Stevie R. Vaughn's participation

Everyone else was still freaked out that he allegedly slept with Mick Jagger
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Reply #7 posted 10/14/04 3:31pm

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Luv4oneanotha said:

Redayh said:




I don't know the specific numbers, but I think that the "Let's Dance" album was a huge success in America. Hell, he was even on Soul Train back then. And a white dude on Soul Train back then usually meant huge crossover success.



Sarita


I think the success of that album was solely because of Stevie R. Vaughn's participation

Everyone else was still freaked out that he allegedly slept with Mick Jagger


I remember the rumors. It didn't bother me (nor did I believe it). If I remember correctly, didn't he come right out of the box during the Ziggy Stardust period saying "I am a bisexual." I know that later he said he just did it to appear more androgynous. But, I wouldn't think anyone would be shocked about him hooking up with Mick (if it were true). I would think that Mick would have had more of a backlash, if anything, but it shouldn't have affected Bowie's sales in the late 70's-early 80's.

My thoughts.



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Reply #8 posted 10/14/04 3:41pm

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Funny, I was pillaging my freinds vinyl and played a lot of Bowie last night. I asked that same question...My friend told me he did make it here at the time, but I suspect that it took a while for his stuff to catch on.

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Reply #9 posted 10/14/04 3:41pm

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Bowie was huge in 1983 with Let's Dance. I was only 12 and I knew of it and saw the videos in Houston, Texas. Didn't know who Stevie Ray Vaugn was. Wouldn't have cared. Later, his video and single for Blue Jean was played a lot around the time that Prince came around with his Purple Rain tour.
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Reply #10 posted 10/14/04 3:44pm

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Redayh said:

Luv4oneanotha said:



I think the success of that album was solely because of Stevie R. Vaughn's participation

Everyone else was still freaked out that he allegedly slept with Mick Jagger


I remember the rumors. It didn't bother me (nor did I believe it). If I remember correctly, didn't he come right out of the box during the Ziggy Stardust period saying "I am a bisexual." I know that later he said he just did it to appear more androgynous. But, I wouldn't think anyone would be shocked about him hooking up with Mick (if it were true). I would think that Mick would have had more of a backlash, if anything, but it shouldn't have affected Bowie's sales in the late 70's-early 80's.

My thoughts.



S


i believe the rumour was that his girlfriend or wife caught him in bed with mick jagger
and claimed they met each othe rbecause they where "Blowing" the same record exec
i didn't believe it nor did i care
but you never know
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Reply #11 posted 10/14/04 6:40pm

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He's far too interesting and challenging for us.

Actually he has always been a huge star. Much like Prince. A bit too much of an artist for purely mainstream success in America. While David may not have had a Purple Rain in America, he's always been popular, respected, & well known.

Still, some of those numbers seem pretty low--75, 93.

England has been nicer to Prince too. I just read on another thread about Prince having #1's with Lovesexy, Batman, Graffiti Bridge, Symbol & Come. Those albums didn't go #1 in America.
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Reply #12 posted 10/14/04 8:04pm

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blackboab said:

despite making some of the greatest music of the 70s, david bowie was never a huge seller in america...i find this amazing!!!...even his greatest albums like ziggy stardust(peaked at 75 in billboard), hunky dory (peaked at 93)and low(peaked at 11) never made the americian top ten album chart....what happened america?



Bowie had a number one hit with "Fame" in 1975, "Station to Station" was a top ten album, and then his profile and sales dipped with subsequent albums until he hit big again with "Let's Dance". That may not be "big", but he's still done ok and a lot better than his peers. Neither T Rex nor Roxy Music made it in the US.
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Reply #13 posted 10/14/04 8:11pm

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Ooooookay. I remeber when "Let's Dance" came out, it was all over the place. Heard "Never Let Me Down" ad naseum as well.

Bowie's biggest success proably came with the album rock stations. Much like Pink Floyd, he had way more "hit' songs than what the charts showed, due to album cuts getting airplay.
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Reply #14 posted 10/14/04 8:25pm

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As a matter of fact when Bowie did get huge in Amercia with Let's Dance, the singles, the videos, the Serious Moonlight Tour, a lot of his following complained about him going top 40.

That tour was a big event with many celeberities in attendance and highly publicized after parties etc.
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Reply #15 posted 10/14/04 9:21pm

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i grew up watching the labrynth and thought everyone knew bowie, i got to college and no one knows bowie. so sad. he deserves a lot of fame, i think its so weird he isnt that big, he really should be.
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Reply #16 posted 10/15/04 12:52am

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Maybe because Ziggy Stardust was freakin' everybody out?
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Reply #17 posted 10/15/04 12:55am

SassyBritches

hmmm...i always thought he was big in america.
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Reply #18 posted 10/15/04 2:49am

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SassyBritches said:

hmmm...i always thought he was big in america.


I agree. nod I mean, he's a legend here in The States. All over the world, in fact.

I think a better question would be, "Why didn't The Jam make it in America?"



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Reply #19 posted 10/15/04 2:51am

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He just didnt' fit the whole boy-band mold.

It was much too difficult for him to perfect all the steps in Darren's Dance Moves. Very hard to get a break in America if you can master those moves.
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Reply #20 posted 10/15/04 6:04am

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NWF said:

SassyBritches said:

hmmm...i always thought he was big in america.


I agree. nod I mean, he's a legend here in The States. All over the world, in fact.

I think a better question would be, "Why didn't The Jam make it in America?"






The Jam were too parochial, too English for the US. Plus Paul Weller hated playing the States at the beginning. The Jam never really made it big anywhere outside England - give or take one off chart placings for "Town Called Malice".
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Reply #21 posted 10/15/04 6:20am

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woot! The Labyrinth! cool






As for the David-and-Mick rumours.....not sure if I believe it or not, but it's fun to think about. whistling
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Reply #22 posted 10/20/04 4:58am

SassyBritches

maybe because he's "afraid of americans"...yuck, yuck, yuck :lol
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SassyBritches said:

maybe because he's "afraid of americans"...yuck, yuck, yuck :lol



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Reply #24 posted 10/20/04 3:07pm

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the let's dance album crossed over mainly because of nile rodgers' participation, the same way madonna crossed over with the like a virgin project. nr's production sound used to carry a lot of weight since it still had that "chic" vibe with it--
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Reply #25 posted 10/20/04 6:58pm

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Luv4oneanotha said:

Redayh said:




I don't know the specific numbers, but I think that the "Let's Dance" album was a huge success in America. Hell, he was even on Soul Train back then. And a white dude on Soul Train back then usually meant huge crossover success.



Sarita


I think the success of that album was solely because of Stevie R. Vaughn's participation

Everyone else was still freaked out that he allegedly slept with Mick Jagger

More than Stevie Ray, it was Nile Rodgers production that helped the Let's Dance album. That and MTV.
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Reply #26 posted 10/20/04 7:01pm

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Bowie was quite LARGE in the '70s. Don't know where yous been.
This post not for the wimp contingent. All whiny wusses avert your eyes.
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Reply #27 posted 10/20/04 7:14pm

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Redayh said:

thedoorkeeper said:

I think Bowie was big in America. I don't know where you get your chart info from but check on the sales for Lets Dance or Young Americans. My guess is those are his biggest selling American releases. He has also toured here numerous times & is always a success.



I don't know the specific numbers, but I think that the "Let's Dance" album was a huge success in America. Hell, he was even on Soul Train back then. And a white dude on Soul Train back then usually meant huge crossover success.



Sarita




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Reply #28 posted 10/20/04 7:20pm

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Shapeshifter said:

NWF said:



I agree. nod I mean, he's a legend here in The States. All over the world, in fact.

I think a better question would be, "Why didn't The Jam make it in America?"






The Jam were too parochial, too English for the US. Plus Paul Weller hated playing the States at the beginning. The Jam never really made it big anywhere outside England - give or take one off chart placings for "Town Called Malice".




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