gman1966 said:

BUT, R&B clubs in Houston were hip to Maddy long before the public was. "Burning Up" and "Everybody" both were big in the club scene, and R&B radio. Back in the day, Majic 102 was the only station I ever heard "Everybody" on!

I wouldn't call Madonna true R&B, but its certainly an influence on much of her music. Heck her music is always a hybrid of different styles. She's not an innovator, but she is always on the forefront, ready to bring the underground into the mainstream. I think this is why the R&B and gay clubs were the first to pick her up. She was cognizant of their culture, and incorporated elements into her own music

JediMaster said:

Man what are you talking about. I was going to all the hip clubs for the Brothas in Houston during that time.. BoneShakers, Club Colors etc,... I do not recall Madonna being played in any of those clubs maybe the gay clubs but I would know about that

Mr7 said:

I usually give that track a few extra spins when I playing the album.

VoicesCarry said:

What about this for a cover?



I like the doggie, but I'm not so sure it should be on the cover. It kinda doesn't make sense.

I hate this album it's an overproduced snooze-fest.
This is probably the case where I have 2 agree
she was jumping on a trend...She enlisted the
Royalty of US r&b producers & got Nellee Hooper
on board aswell..one of the founding fathers
of the 'hip' Bristol sound..fooking shite..
sounds like 'Janet' left overs..

Oh & about the cover...this was gonna b the original but Warner
rejected it..it's shot by Paolo Roversi

Listening 2 "Forbidden Love" now....

I actually like this album more than Erotica. "Secret" still sounds awesome. The samples on this album are more of my taste.

DavidEye said:

Stephanie Mills was given Holiday to record after Mary Wilson turned it down. She too passed on the song.

gman1966 said:

that's never stopped you from commenting on things before.

My favourite Madonna album.

I love everything on it except for 'Bedtime Story'.

BinaryJustin said:

Is it too ex-só-hó-tieck?
[Edited 10/20/04 14:57pm]

Martinelli said:

It just doesn't fit the rest of the album! All the other songs have a dreamy languid quality and then this comes on and it sounds like somebody's stomach gurgling before a fart.

BinaryJustin said:

Prince probably wrote it, like he secretly did the entire Like A Prayer album.

Martinelli said:

Prince happens to be Madonna's secret songwriting bitch. He writes songs for her and lets her take entire credit. His most prized creation is Jimmy Jimmy

Chico1 said:

Thats one of my fave Madonna songs, and the best on the album imo. This is one of my fave Madonna cds. Better than Erotica...

I just love that album. Possibly her strongest and one of the most convincing R&B albums by a pop star (white or not). "Survival" is one of my favorite all time Madonna tracks. It's just so funky and cool. Should have been a single. While I usually love Madonna for her dance music, I think that most will agreee that "Don't Stop" was the album's weakest track, even though it wasn't bad. If the album included "Let Down Your Gaurd" instead (or as well), it would have been without a doubt her best album. Multi-producer albums tend to be a mess but this one was just tight yet varied enough. It just worked well. I would say that it's more underestimated Madonna album by the press (critics probably now see that "Erotica" was brilliant despite the controversy). It's kind of surprising that while "Bedtime Stories" sold well and had some hits (although BS and HN didn't do very well on the pop charts), it was the most tainted album of Madonna's by her controversy, which was in the past by then.

If the nineties where nothing else for Madonna they showed that she could switch it up musically and do it all well.

VinnyM27 said:

VinnyM27 said:

You forgot to add "In my own UNBELIEVABLE opinion!!!" Incredible lol.....

jayaredee said:

i heard his favorite track he gave to her was Love Makes the World Go Round... or Shoo be doo

Chico1 said:

"Forbidden Love" is one sexy track,isn't it? Haunting and hypnotic.

VinnyM27 said:

"Don't Stop" is the one track on the album that I would call "filler".She should have replaced it with a stronger song like "Let Down Your Guard" or "Your Honesty".

Martinelli said:

Warners did the right thing by rejecting that cover! Madonna looks like she just woke up with a hangover from a hectic night of drinking and partying...lol...

JediMaster said:

Thanks Jedi for putting things in perspective.To be honest,I didn't hear Madonna on "pop radio" until her third of fourth single---"Borderline"---but the previous singles were played exclusively on R&B radio.When she released her first single "Everybody" in late 1982,the cover didn't even feature a photo of Madonna.This was intentional,because Warners knew that the track was more R&B than pop,and that she would have to build her base on black radio first.

DavidEye said:

DavidEye said:

Sexy? 'rejection is the greatest afrodisiac' Yeah..I guess that's sexy.

Chico1 said:

yet..
poor is the man
whose pleasure depends
on the permission of another

gman1966 said:

But G, its possible you didn't know it was Madonna at the time (keep in mind, this was before she hit it big). I remember when I bought her first album, I was surprised when I heard "Burning Up" and "Everybody" on there, because I knew the songs from Majic 102 from months before. I had, at the time, no idea that those songs were done by the same girl who did "Holiday" and "Lucky Star".

I just knew a couple of dudes who used to DJ at that time, and they knew who Madonna was long before the general public was, because they had been spinning her stuff for a long while.

CinisterCee said:

Or...

"You're confusing me
'Cause I don't know if you want me
But I know that I want you
And that's nothing to be ashamed of
What are you gonna do?
"

Chico1 said:

Actually,I was referring to other lines in the song,such as...

"take all of you inside of me"