Lennon said:

Yep Eminem....whats up with these lyrics from "Just Lose It"

>>>Yeah boy shake that ass
Oops I mean girl girl girl girl<<

>>UmMmMmm touch my body
UmMmMmm touch my body
Ooh boy just touch my body
I mean girl just touch my body<<

Don't know about Morrissey, he always claimed that he was celibate (not saying I believe that, just that he claims it).

None of the guys in New Order are gay.In fact they're all married with kids.

Michael Stipe has been out for years.

Adam Ant isn't gay, although he has admitted to bisexual experimentation and transvestism.

interesting... but you gotta admit, a lot of their music is totally gay.

lezama said:

what, pray tell, does "totally gay" music sound like?

lezama said:

what, pray tell, does "totally gay" music sound like?

JediMaster said:

oooo kkkk.. sounds pretty ungay to me!

Anxiety said:

Happy! "gay" = Happy! Happy music! Thats what I was saying...

Ok sorry. Didn't meant to offend anyone. Yes... I'm making a stereotype and generalization of their 'sound'. Maybe its the way Bernard Sumner sings... and some of the whole dance music thing.. combined with Bernard's voice, plus they've had some ambiguously gay songs... like 1963. I'm not knocking them. I like some of their stuff and bought "Republica" when it first came out. Ok... maybe "totally" gay is overstating it... but I won't back down from the statement that their music is at least partially "gay sounding". I'm not using gay in a derrogatory sense though, simply as an type of aesthetic.

lezama said:

I know you may not have been trying to go down this route, but being transgendered doesn't necessarily means one is homosexual. There are men who dress like women, but are hetero. Women who dress like men, but are hetero, etc.

"I notice there are number of bootleggers in the audience tonight.
I just wanted to say...you've made an excellent choice." - Morrissey

There's more to it than that

Anxiety said:

Interesting choice of sig, Anx. How'd you pick it? I thought you despised the Moz.

Janfriend said:

True. It's very complex.

GangstaFam said:

i don't like his music, but i thought this quote was a riot...especially considering where we are.

JANFAN4L said:

read kate bornstein's "my gender workbook" - she makes it very simple. and FUN.

Dear Angelo,

My friend, a drag queen, told me he is having a sex change. I do not understand it, but I think it is because he is getting older and not getting enough attention as a guy. How can I stop him from making a big mistake?

Signed, Stop In The Name Of Love

Dear Stop In The Name Of Love,

Your friend may be a transsexual woman and not a drag queen. The best thing you can do is to be a supportive friend. Talk to your friend and get to know what his experience is. Here is some information that might give you some help to enter the conversation.

A transsexual woman does not want to become a woman, she is a woman. It might help you to think of your friend as a woman in a man's body. Your friend may want to be called "her." There are not only male to female transsexuals (MTF) but also female to male (FTM). Your friend may need surgery to change her male anatomy to female so that it matches her internal sense of being a woman. Getting older, not getting attention, or being a drag queen have nothing to do with that. So what causes transsexuality then? Ask yourself, how did you become gay? How do you know you are gay? It just is and you just know. It is who you are.

Imagine that you go in for routine cosmetic surgery. When you wake up, somehow you are hurting where you should not be. To your horror, you discover that there was a mistake and that your male body has been changed into a woman's. As a man, how might you feel about this? Would you now be a female just because you have female genitals? Would you feel betrayed or disgusted by your new body? How would it be to be called "she" instead of "he?" Could you live in society as the opposite sex? Would you be screaming, "but I am really a man"? A transsexual person suffers from an early age from this mismatch between mind and body. Gender identity (how we think of ourselves) is separate from our anatomy.

Sexuality is an entirely independent issue. You may be surprised that most transsexuals, like most people, identify as heterosexual. If a man is attracted to men, but identifies as a woman inside, then "'she" is straight. This becomes much more obvious after the sex change. This is not a cop out for fear of being gay. While some transsexuals may identify as drag queens for a while before they come to realize they are actually transsexual, transsexuals are not drag queens and drag queens are not transsexuals.

A drag queen is a gay cross dressor. Drag Queens are gay men that usually cross dress for fun, entertainment or work. A drag queen does not live as a woman. He does not feel he is a woman. He does not want to change his male body into a woman's. Drag queens are gay men playing with gender who like being men. There are lesbian drag kings too. Other cross dressers are heterosexual men. They dress in women's clothes for fun, entertainment, work, sexual fetishes or to access emotionally sensitive parts of themselves.

There are also intersexes and a huge variety of other fluid variations between sex, gender, and sexual identity. The word "Transgender" is often used to cover all gender variances.

Fortunately, we can choose to celebrate difference and to affirm each other as we are. If you can, tell your friend you will be there for her and try not to worry. The system has safeguards in place. Before hormones and surgery, most doctors require letters from gender therapists like me saying that the person is making the best decision for themselves with a clear mind.

It is understandable at first to feel afraid, sad and like you are losing your friend. Many people transition in midlife because it is a "now or never" issue at that point and they can no longer conform to something which is not them. They also may have developed the strength as they have gotten older to do something which is so difficult and so misunderstood. It may help to think that you will not in fact lose your friend in the end. Although much will change, your friend will still be the same person - maybe even happier.

lezama said:

what, pray tell, does "totally gay" music sound like?

Anxiety said:

"Man, if you don't know...then we're all in trouble!" - Dean Martin

To say you're the son of David Bowie and Iman: WOW. That's one lucky kid. He's gonna be arrogant when he's 22! I know I'd be.

JediMaster said:

oooo kkkk.. sounds pretty ungay to me!

lezama said:

Okay, first off, he admitted to "bisexual experimentation", which means, in essence, that he experimented with sex with men, but didn't take it any further. This is not uncommon, and doesn't make you gay. If he had CONTINUED to have sex with men, and found them attractive, then he would be gay (or bi). As it is, he is uninterested in having sex with men, and any curiosity he had about that has been satisfied.

As for transvestism, see JANFAN4L's fine post. MOST transvestites are straight men, believe it or not. Drag queens only make up a very small portion of the TV community (they are just the most visible, as most straight men do it behind closed-doors, out of the view of the public).

JediMaster said:

Well, this is news to me.

mochalox said:

There you go again!!!

NWF said:

About transvestism, or about Adam Ant?

I dated a girl who was insane about Ant. She knew all sorts of stuff about him. I'm just basing this on what she told me. I do know his song "Greta X" is about transvestism.

okaypimpn said:

I told y'all a while ago that Tevin and Rashaan were lovers!!

lezama said:

what, pray tell, does "totally gay" music sound like?

Okay, first off, he admitted to "bisexual experimentation", which means, in essence, that he experimented with sex with men, but didn't take it any further. This is not uncommon, and doesn't make you gay. If he had CONTINUED to have sex with men, and found them attractive, then he would be gay (or bi). As it is, he is uninterested in having sex with men, and any curiosity he had about that has been satisfied.

As for transvestism, see JANFAN4L's fine post. MOST transvestites are straight men, believe it or not. Drag queens only make up a very small portion of the TV community (they are just the most visible, as most straight men do it behind closed-doors, out of the view of the public).

JediMaster said:

No, I meant about Adam's sexuality. I thought all that was based on his image or something.

Why are you people talking about just homosexual men here?