bananacologne said:

Man, these Madonna Brigade fools always get sensitive about that no-singing Madonna!!! Best live act what a freaking joke!!!!

it was clear she was singing over 90% of the show live. not even questionable. i'd like to see that old queenie bitch sing and dance for almost 2 hours. whateva, treva. i'm cool with everyone busting on madge for not being a decent live singer. i'm cool if you wanna call her out on lip synching the songs with intense dance routines. just don't make it sound like she mimed the whole damn show, lol!

nobody looks good in jealousy. not even a queenie old fag like elton john. if it gets him press, though, why should he stop? madonna gets press for putting on the show of her career so i'm sure she doesn't care what mr. john thinks of it. didn't she earn more from that tour than he did all year?

i do suggest that all the madonna fans stop worrying abot what others think. i have bashed madonna a million times when she deserves it...which is frequently these days. no sense in getting all riled up and calling names. after all, if madonna doesn't do it why should you. just ask yourself what kaballists all over the world are asking themselves these days..."what would madonna do?"

Elton needs to make some moderately good music again or STFU. It's not classy and it's not smart to go around bitching other artists out in public, and he makes a habit of it. Elton just comes off as an old, bitter queen who wishes he was still relevant.

bananacologne said:

now...you know only the madonna fans are aloud to talk shit about others. i think i may have had a thread about something similar once upon a time...

gman1966 said:

SassyBritches said:

I got that shirt at the concert... i get alot of laughs when i wear it

I’m more of Janet Jackson fan, but I admire and respect Madonna. And I’m also a fan of strong vocalists/musicians like Elton John. That said, I’ve never really understood the criticism about lip-synching regarding artists like Janet, Madonna, or Britney. Unlike Sir Elton, Madonna and Janet dance while attempting to sing. Their shows are more of a “musical theatrical” production. So when I go to see a Madonna or Janet, I really don’t expect to see them singing every song live: I want to see the dancing, the sets, the costumes, etc., and hear my favorite tracks, lip-synched or not. Unfortunately, the ticket prices are going to be high because the overhead is going to be costly, but I'm not necessarily shocked by that reality. Honestly, even though they are different types of performers, both Elton and Madonna are artists in their own way and great entertainers. But I guess Sir Elton isn't a Madonna fan and doesn't see the overall "art" in her performances. Oh, well he is entitled to his opinion.
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superspaceboy said:

A practice many here could learn from.

So, he called names...big deal. It's not the first time, and it won't be the last time he does. It shouldn't be so upsetting to anyone. Does she lip synch? Of course she does. Does that give him the right to complain? I guess not, but it shouldn't stop him from doing it either. His complaining about it is no different than anyone here (or elsewhere) getting pissy about his big mouth.

If he's ever nominated for Best Head of Real Hair award, Madonna has every right to complain.

Elton is just a big sissy priss faggot with a fucking feather boa up his ass. He and Morrissey should just get married and get it over with.

Bitches.

madonna's really not a great vocalist, and she seems to MY ears to be getting worse with time...it sounds like her diaphragm blew out or something, she sounds perpetually out of breath and seems to have some kind of weird nervous-sounding vibrato that it sounds as if she doesn't have any control over. maybe having children messed up her voice? it was no great shakes pre-evita, but at least she was able to carry a tune.

still and all, i think she's a great performer. she has stage presence for days, which i think is 75% of what pulls off a successful show.

i really don't get what crawled up eltie's butt and died, though i do find his cranky candor kinda entertaining lately. if anyone can just rant and rave about his hatred of other countries and other entertainers, i guess he's the man to do it. though after hearing his live performances lately, miss thang ain't exactly hitting those high notes like he useta.

interestingly, she wasn't actually lip-synching on this tour, aside from a few backing tapes with the vocal effects on them.


unlike when i saw Elton John in 1999, supposedly just him and his piano, when there were all sorts of background music tapes playing throughout. synths, horns, hell even drums.


anyway, i like Elton a lot, but it's apparent that he must have a new album on the way for him to start throwing public tantrums again, and returning to ripping other celebrities new assholes. it's just par for the course...


really, i wish he'd go back on drugs. he was a lot more rational back then.

Anxiety said:

Really? I can't exactly speak on her live performances since I've only seen her twice. But to me, on record she sounds oodles better from project to project. She seems to hit a new vocal plateau every few years or so. Her voice got noticeably better with True Blue, then again for Like A Prayer. The next major difference was Something To Remember/Evita, and then again for Ray of Light. I guess cuz Mirwais has urged her to do a lot of dry mixes on the last two albums, we hear a lot more of the quirks and snaps in her voice than before. I think it's charming though.

gman1966 said:

ok u better say that shit!!!!!all these jaded queens.....need to put the band-aides,back on their rear ends,and quit acting like they are getting royalties for promoting her non singing,miming,lip stanking ass.

GangstaFam said:

Well, I certainly think that the production of her albums has become more sophisticated over the past decade or so, but as we all know, a good studio guru can make ANYone sound great. I mean, you don't really think Madge's voice is hitting that high note in "Ray of Light", do you? Color me cynical, but I'm sure that was some studio wizardry right there.

And I'm sorry, but since Madonna did Evita, I've found her live vocals to be progressively more painful. Undeniably so. I really, truly think Madonna's fans are very kind to her about this and listen to her live vox with very charitable, soft ears. Which, you know, is fine...

...because I think the people who delight in calling her stuff like "stank ho slut" protest too much. The woman's a great performer - she's photogenic, she can work an audience, she has personality (or at least, she CAN have personality), and she has that "thing" that separates the performer from the audience. Heck, she has that "thing" that separates the legendary performer from the not-as-legendary performer. She understands presentation. She understands that it's not enough to just schlep up onto a stage and sing a song like some kind of drone. And as simple as that distinction may sound, someone who can illustrate a song through performance the way she has over the past few decades is becoming an increasingly rare bird indeed, and I think she deserves credit for always keeping the performance part of what she does fresh and ambitious.

So when I rag on Madge sounding like a squeak toy in a washing machine, it's not for lack of respect for the woman as a performer. I just think she has weak pipes, and I don't think that's such a contrary view outside of her fanbase.

Anxiety said:

Most hardcore fans i know like her voice no matter how crappy it sounds. I love the old school live recordings where voice is weakening and can hardly hit the high notes or carry a note for that matter. I dunno call me sick or twisted or whatever but I like the imperfection. Kinda like if she can make it and not be able to sing all that great than maybe I have a chance too. LOL

i think there was more confidence in her voice on the early albums. it wasn't a great voice, but she wasn't painful to listen to, either. the old MTV video award appearances weren't so horrible to listen to, and i never even really thought about her voice from the beginning through blonde ambition...it just seemed like she hit a point somewhere areound "evita" where her pipes really hit the wall.

Anxiety said:

i think she sounds better now... but for music and american life albums there is no reverb on the vocals... so we hear everything every vocal tick... not too many artists do that...

ehuffnsd said:

i haven't listened to the whole of American Life, so i can't really speak about that one...but you think her voice sounds effects-free, even though she has that cher effect where she sounds like C3PO in half the songs on the Music album?!

Anxiety said:

besides the vocoder which changes pitch and tone... there is no reverb

ehuffnsd said:

well, pitch and tone are pretty important parts of one's vocal style, don'tcha think? i'm not trying to trivialize your opinion - i guess what i'm trying to say, if anything, that madonna's product as a vocalist is something that's dependent on the studio and not a "natural gift", so to speak. this isn't to say she's not a valid pop star...i think too many folks feel that entertainers have to be justified by some unusually skilled technical talent like great singing or great guitar chops or wonderful drumming or whatever. madge is good at filling up a stage with her presence...there are tons of "technically proficient" pop music artists who haven't a clue how to do that.

not every song on music (which, by the way, is one of my least favorite madonna albums) uses the vocoder and most of the songs on american life are effects free. well...apparantly effects free. i am a big critic of madonna's voice and i'm one of the few who went to the drowned world tour and admit that her voice sounded like shit. i saw her in philly on the second night of her tour and she sounded rough. she sounded even worse on the hbo special. on this tour - the re-invention tour - she sounded great! well, great for madonna. she struggles during imagine (which she really had no business covering anyway) but most of the show was really, really well performed. i was not anticipating that. i fully expected to focus on the visuals but i couldn't help notice how much better she sounded.

anyway...that's my

Her gifts are her dancers imaganation, stage presence, songwriting lyrics in particular, prodcution, and the abilty to spot talent in others.

Yes I believe she is a great producer and very underrated for it. Everyone she works with comments on how she is able to tame their ideas to fit into Pop music. All Madonna albums sound like Madonna albums... influenced by someone else... but they all have the pop hook that she has mastered.

LOL I always feel I have to defend her as a producer.

The vocoder makes the voice sound more machine like. She commented how she had to sing out of tune for the songs so Marwais could adjust them to fit the tracks. It's only used on a few songs though. Her vocals are strong but they unmistakable

VoicesCarry said:

So does Madonna.

Harlepolis said:

HOLAAAAAH!!!

Elton should just stick to what he knows. Sucking dick!

Chico1 said:

Maddy, too. That would make an interesting duet.


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superspaceboy said:

I think Mariah & Janet may disagree with you here
how can Madonna release a statement saying she doesn't diss other artists?
Has she forgotten her Jealous outburst against Mariah and Janet?
it's karma
and anyway it's Madonna!! she's not even a real singer! or respected artist

She' just basically a "menopausal Britney" really?


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twink69 said:

Oh my.

Now I remember why I used to avoid Madonna threads.

jayaredee said:

You're absolutely right that he is full of shit but probably doesn't care. At the end of the day, he has a story in the AP, so mission accomplished.