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Reply #30 posted 09/29/04 11:34am

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I don't know what's worse... recognizing that pic or the sentimental feeling I have over it. neutral
Been gone for a minute, now I'm back with the jump off
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Reply #31 posted 09/29/04 11:35am

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BlaqueKnight said:

blackguitaristz said:


Even though I agree with you 100 and 15% on everything else, MJ was trippin' over P during 81-84. Some of the Jacksons, Jermaine, Janet, Randy, all dug P's music and were impressed. Mike was too, but because Mike knew he couldn't compete against P's musicianship and his wild sexual image, Mike felt threatned and somewhat jealous. In a book about MJ, someone who had worked for Mike for years talked about how jealous Mike was of P's success during Purple Rain. How P had this big movie and women flipping out over him when P was just as feminine as Mike was.This bothered Mike. MJ would not watch the American Music Awards in 85 cuz he knew P would clean up on the awards. No one was could mention P's name in Mike's pressence during that time. In 81-85, that was P's years as far as moving up in the industry as a star. P was getting a lot of attention. During this time, Mike simply didn't like it and didn't know how to compete with it.


MJ had Thriller in 82' Prince wasn't getting the attention MJ was. I can see 84-85, but not 81'-83'. Those were the Micheal mania years. If I had a dime for every Beat It jacket knockoff I saw...LOL! You remember the ghetto Beat It jackets that didn't have as many zippers and the Thriller jackets that were as thin as windbreakers? People who came to school in those joints got clowned! LOL! Still, I think any jealousy would have been more towards the attention he wasn't getting. He probably did have a little jealousy of Prince's musical skills, but MJ image has always been solid in the originality category.

The reason I mentioned 81-83 is because that's when Prince's rise had begun. Hell no, P couldn't compete against Mike's attention from Thriller, no one could. BUT, because of the TYPE of coverage P was getting, really from Dirty Mind in 80 up untill Purple Rain, P was the music press's darling and Mike resented it. P got respect for talents that Mike didn't. That's what bothered MJ. Mike had wanted to do another movie where he was the star and when P hit with Purple Rain, that irked him. He saw P crossing over bigtime. Mike wanted to be the only "black" pop star and he saw P closing in on him.
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Reply #32 posted 09/29/04 11:59am

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I'm surprised nobody mentioned Andre 3000. His whole "persona" for this last album was VERY purple. Anyone seen the "Prototype" video? I think he's aight, but sometimes it seems he's trying to hard.
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Reply #33 posted 09/29/04 12:01pm

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Welcome to the org, raveon3tnek. Now prepare for the onslaught that will surely follow. Some orgers will be quick to point out that Prince fans think the world revolves around Prince and that Prince has his own influences as well, so leave these guys alone. And some might say it a little less diplomatically than that.


See what I'm saying?

For future reference, this will give you an idea of what Blaque does to threads like this:

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Reply #34 posted 09/29/04 12:10pm

namepeace

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This topic is not about MJ vs. Prince; MJ is no wanna be. He's an "already is". Next thing you know, you fanatics will be calling Elvis a Prince wannabe.


Well, duh!

For real, tho, Michael was a worldwide superstar almost a decade before Prince dropped his first album. Pwas was getting the buzz in the early 80's, but MJ was moving the records. MJ was a more experienced and polished performer than P, for a while, anyways. MJ's music sounds markedly different. So not only didn't MJ need to be a Prince wannabe, his work doesn't reflect that.
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Reply #35 posted 09/29/04 1:10pm

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jayaredee said:

BlaqueKnight said:




PROOF PLEASE. Do you believe everything the "news" tells you?



Yes i do actually considering they can be sued for false claims. He is indeed self procclaimed if you dont believe that fine, you can live in a magical peter pan land with mj too


No offense dude, but you're completely deluded if you think that the press doesn't get away with lying, manipulating, embellishing or slanting the "news" all the time. The news is owned by corporations who are out to make money purely and simply, sometimes at the expense of journalistic integrity and truth. You think you're getting anything other than right-wing propaganda when you watch Fox News? Or that you're getting completely reliable information from Newsweek? The media is not always trustworthy
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Reply #36 posted 09/29/04 1:25pm

namepeace

jacktheimprovident said:

jayaredee said:




Yes i do actually considering they can be sued for false claims. He is indeed self procclaimed if you dont believe that fine, you can live in a magical peter pan land with mj too


No offense dude, but you're completely deluded if you think that the press doesn't get away with lying, manipulating, embellishing or slanting the "news" all the time. The news is owned by corporations who are out to make money purely and simply, sometimes at the expense of journalistic integrity and truth. You think you're getting anything other than right-wing propaganda when you watch Fox News? Or that you're getting completely reliable information from Newsweek? The media is not always trustworthy


jack, I do believe that I saw that term in his promotional materials in the early 90's. And when he was called that, he did not run from it. I believe it was a product of his and/or his team's invention.
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Reply #37 posted 09/29/04 2:28pm

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http://www.allmusic.com/c...wmva9uk~T1

MJ Bio at allmusic.com

"Jackson took another long hiatus between albums, giving the media little to focus on besides his numerous eccentricities; by this time, the British tabloids delighted in calling him "Wacko Jacko," a name he detested. When Jackson returned in with a new album in late 1991, he'd come up with a different moniker: "the King of Pop."

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"He is also, by his own reckoning, the "King of Pop."
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Reply #38 posted 09/29/04 3:08pm

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magnificentsynthesizer667 said:



I don't think anyone can top this cat! hmph!

I used to love him...where is Georgio these days??? Time to go down memory lane and listen to....

Tina Cherry
Lover's Lane
Sex Appeal

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Ohhh you keep saying stay the niiiiiiiiight
Just let me rock you 'til the morning liiiiiiight
It's cold outside
And much too late to driiiiiiiive
You know I need you baby
I'm so lost without your love
Mariah Carey - Stay The Night music
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Reply #39 posted 09/29/04 3:22pm

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blackguitaristz said

In a book about MJ, someone who had worked for Mike for years talked about how jealous Mike was of P's success during Purple Rain. How P had this big movie and women flipping out over him when P was just as feminine as Mike was.This bothered Mike. MJ would not watch the American Music Awards in 85 cuz he knew P would clean up on the awards. No one was could mention P's name in Mike's pressence during that time. In 81-85, that was P's years as far as moving up in the industry as a star. P was getting a lot of attention. During this time, Mike simply didn't like it and didn't know how to compete with it.


The father, Joseph Jackson, didn't like Prince either. I remember an interview that Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis gave about the first time they started working with Janet Jackson. She took them to meet her father and the first thing he said was "I don't want my daughter sounding like Prince".
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Reply #40 posted 09/29/04 3:31pm

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BlaqueKnight said

MJ had Thriller in 82' Prince wasn't getting the attention MJ was. I can see 84-85, but not 81'-83'. Those were the Micheal mania years.


Michael mania didn't start until late 1982 when "Thriller" came out. Michael ruled 1979-1980 with "Off The Wall". When that died down, he got back together with The Jacksons in 1980 and made "Triumph". That caused a little noise but it had fully died down by 1981. In 1981, Michael and The Jacksons did a live album that caused no commotion.

During this time in 1981, Prince had out "Controversy" and "Rick James" was THE main man that year with "Street Songs". Michael's name never came up that year until "Thriller" came out the next year.

The year before in 1980 when The Jackson's had "Triumph" out, there was no Michael mania going on. All the mania surrounding "Off The Wall" was over and done with. However, during this time, Prince was really making some noise with "Dirty Mind" and "Controversy". Michael was hardly ever mentioned.
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Reply #41 posted 09/29/04 3:42pm

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namepeace said:

jacktheimprovident said:



No offense dude, but you're completely deluded if you think that the press doesn't get away with lying, manipulating, embellishing or slanting the "news" all the time. The news is owned by corporations who are out to make money purely and simply, sometimes at the expense of journalistic integrity and truth. You think you're getting anything other than right-wing propaganda when you watch Fox News? Or that you're getting completely reliable information from Newsweek? The media is not always trustworthy


jack, I do believe that I saw that term in his promotional materials in the early 90's. And when he was called that, he did not run from it. I believe it was a product of his and/or his team's invention.



My only point was that the veracity of the news is questionable at times. If Michael is indeed the one responsible for the epithet "king of pop" so be it, I'm just sayin', in general, don't believe everything you read in the mainstream newspapers or see in network news shows.
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Reply #42 posted 09/29/04 5:21pm

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thesexofit said:

Maybe Eddie Murphy at times.....check "put ur mouth on me" and "bubble hill" etc.....


Eddie has admitted his Prince fetish..It's no coincidence his concert movie was named "Delirious" Eddie probably wanted to pick up Prince hitch hiking...

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Reply #43 posted 09/29/04 5:23pm

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vainandy said:

Michael Jackson has tried his damndest to look like Prince for years. The skin, the hair, everything. On his "You Are Not Alone" video, he looked just like Prince from the back....with the hair and the black lace shirt.

He's had a Prince complex for years. He even named, not one, but two of his sons Prince.

eek I'm going to hide now from the MJ fanatics. lol


I think "Beat IT" was very PRince influenced too. Listen to a song like "Speed Demon" off of Bad and tell me Michael isn't doin the Prince thing...that's Prince's sound.
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Reply #44 posted 09/29/04 5:24pm

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aikam said:

magnificentsynthesizer667 said:



I don't think anyone can top this cat! hmph!

I used to love him...where is Georgio these days??? Time to go down memory lane and listen to....

Tina Cherry
Lover's Lane
Sex Appeal

[Edited 9/29/04 15:18pm]



Wow I totally fogot about him, I have the vinyl copy of that record.. It's OK as I remember.
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Reply #45 posted 09/29/04 5:30pm

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thesexofit said:

Maybe Eddie Murphy at times.....check "put ur mouth on me" and "bubble hill" etc.....


You should hear the song "Love's Alright". Eddie's voice even resembles Prince's.
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Reply #46 posted 09/29/04 8:24pm

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Wow. A new name has been added? Raphael? Oh right, he wore a ruffled shirt once in a video. Lord knows THAT never happened before Prince, right? couch, cough, LittleRichardLiberacePaulRevereandTheRaidersJimiHendrixAdamAntDavidBowieTheBeattles,etc. cough. Sananda (TTD) sounds NOTHING like Prince. People who are really into his music already know that lyrically they are so different it ain't even funny. Contentwise, musically there's no resemblence either. What they have in common is both of them are light-skinned black males with a "pretty boy" image who do a mixture of rock and funk. Actually, Sananda does a mixture of rock & soul. Now I see why TTD left the states. People probably wouldn't let him be himself here. How can you even show who you are when everybody is so busy trying to link you to someone else. R&B surface listeners seem to make these comparisons a lot. Of course these artists are influenced by Prince, as is probably every artist that came along during the time of Prince's popularity. Somehow, it seems that in the mind of Prince fans that when it comes to Prince influence=cloned. All of these artists have their own identites, personalities, etc. If you don't see that, then you probably don't know their work well enough. This is a tired subject. Michael Jackson? LMAO!!!! That's just plain stupid. Warner Brothers really did a number on some of your heads with their marketing campaign. I think some of you who have posted on this topic before are simply trying to make up for Prince's lack of relevance on today's music scene by trying to link him to artists who are currently influencing what's going on. Prince's status in music's history is secrrue. He's a legend. Let it go. Oh wait...this is Prince.org. "All roads lead to Prince" hmm hrmph rolleyes


Very well said ! It's weak when people compare Prince to Sananda/TTD...do some homework first!
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Reply #47 posted 09/29/04 9:17pm

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magnificentsynthesizer667 said:



I don't think anyone can top this cat! hmph!




Georgio??..I never heard of this dude...What are the names of some of the songs he made?
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Reply #48 posted 09/29/04 9:25pm

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raveon2tnek said:

why is it that these guys so badly wanna be prince?here is the list:
michael jackson
terence trent d'arby
lenny kravitz
maxwell
raphael sodiq
d'angelo


got anyone else in mind?



I dont think any of them wanna be Prince they all have individual talents..Most of them are inspired by Prince except Michael Jackson he's in a league of his own.
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Reply #49 posted 09/29/04 9:29pm

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personnally i don't see the MJ/Prince thing...

the only 'artist' (and i use that term loosely) that comes to mind that is a total P knockoff

Ready For The World...'Oh Sheila'??

i like the song mind you...but its only because it reminds me of Prince



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Reply #50 posted 09/29/04 9:46pm

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Where'd U find Georgeo! lol!!!
I thought He was long 4 gotten!

I don't think anyone can top this cat! hmph![/quote]
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Reply #51 posted 09/29/04 10:02pm

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Sananda (TTD) sounds NOTHING like Prince. People who are really into his music already know that lyrically they are so different it ain't even funny. Contentwise, musically there's no resemblence either. What they have in common is both of them are light-skinned black males with a "pretty boy" image who do a mixture of rock and funk. Actually, Sananda does a mixture of rock & soul. Now I see why TTD left the states. People probably wouldn't let him be himself here.

ttd left the states because he couldn't sell a record here. period. i like the guy's music but truth is truth. no, his music does not sound like prince...it is its own very distinct flavor. i don't think he's ripped prince off in any sense as far as musical style goes. i think he's ripped prince off in terms of his image. i mean, come on, even down to changing his name! lol its laughable! the guys starts speaking in mazes and spiritual double entendres...he clearly emulates prince's persona. ttd is a great musician and songwriter, no doubt, but he needs to stop trying to be mysterious and just start being pri...i mean, terence trent d'arby.
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Reply #52 posted 09/30/04 2:18am

raveon2tnek

sweetambrosia said:

raveon2tnek said:

why is it that these guys so badly wanna be prince?here is the list:
michael jackson
terence trent d'arby
lenny kravitz
maxwell
raphael sodiq
d'angelo


got anyone else in mind?



I dont think any of them wanna be Prince they all have individual talents..Most of them are inspired by Prince except Michael Jackson he's in a league of his own.
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where is the individuality in d'angelo's voice?
and is there a difference between "cruising" & "strolling"?
as for michael,why couldnt he just stay "thriller black"?
think through these issues and add me another name to that list!
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Reply #53 posted 09/30/04 3:41am

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sweetambrosia said:

magnificentsynthesizer667 said:



I don't think anyone can top this cat! hmph!




Georgio??..I never heard of this dude...What are the names of some of the songs he made?


Tina Cherry

Lover's Lane

Sex Appeal

Bedrock
Ohhh you keep saying stay the niiiiiiiiight
Just let me rock you 'til the morning liiiiiiight
It's cold outside
And much too late to driiiiiiiive
You know I need you baby
I'm so lost without your love
Mariah Carey - Stay The Night music
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Reply #54 posted 09/30/04 3:50am

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Biggest Prince wannabe?

Easy:

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Reply #55 posted 09/30/04 3:56am

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jayaredee said:

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Michael still gets no.1 albums. Prince doesn't. And that says what?


No. 1 albums?

When did he release his last album? And it may have went to #1 (i dunno if it did) it still flopped and went to hell, while Musicology did so well and is so much better.


Musicology has yet to reach double platinum in the US, even with Prince cheating the system. Michael managed double platinum without cheating and with virtually no promotion. Invincible hit no.1. Musicology didn't. I guess Michael's time isn't over quite as much as you would like it to be. Worldwide sales for Musicology are somewhere between two and three million, this achieved after being on the market for six months. Invincible sold four million in three days. But Invincible was a flop, right? And Musicolgy being a better album is all a matter of opinion. wink
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Reply #56 posted 09/30/04 4:02am

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True apparantly that Michael Jackson thought Prince was his biggest threat during the Purple Rain days, but Mj is no Prince wannabe!

check: Prince:- album per year
MJ:- album roughly every 4-5 yrs

Prince:- wrote and produced 4 many other people
MJ:- a few but not even a 1/4 of the amount Prince has done!

Prince:- feminine clothes (in 80's), always surrounded by girls etc.....
mj:- wanted to be macho 4 "Bad", whilst Prince a year later did "lovesexy" cover!


Anyway, the list continues.....


Songs that may sound a bit alike:- their r not any.....that is y both these artists r so damn good!

Michael wanted to just be Michael and still be accepted (check Martin Bashir documentary a few yr's back), which is what is great about Michael.....Prince at times has deliberately copied other fads like the whole "npg" thing but 99% of the time, Prince and Mike do what the fuck they like, no matter how eccentric!
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Reply #57 posted 09/30/04 5:12am

LightOfArt

this 'everyone copies prince' thing is so stupid confused

Cloudbuster said:
Musicology has yet to reach double platinum in the US, even with Prince cheating the system. Michael managed double platinum without cheating and with virtually no promotion. Invincible hit no.1. Musicology didn't. I guess Michael's time isn't over quite as much as you would like it to be. Worldwide sales for Musicology are somewhere between two and three million, this achieved after being on the market for six months. Invincible sold four million in three days. But Invincible was a flop, right? And Musicolgy being a better album is all a matter of opinion.


Don't forget Number Ones. took the number one spot in UK wink

It sold some 6 million copies worldwide so so far without pomotion..except michael in news with handcuffs on neutral
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Reply #58 posted 09/30/04 5:17am

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True apparantly that Michael Jackson thought Prince was his biggest threat during the Purple Rain days, but Mj is no Prince wannabe!

check: Prince:- album per year
MJ:- album roughly every 4-5 yrs

Prince:- wrote and produced 4 many other people
MJ:- a few but not even a 1/4 of the amount Prince has done!

Prince:- feminine clothes (in 80's), always surrounded by girls etc.....
mj:- wanted to be macho 4 "Bad", whilst Prince a year later did "lovesexy" cover!


Anyway, the list continues.....


Songs that may sound a bit alike:- their r not any.....that is y both these artists r so damn good!

Michael wanted to just be Michael and still be accepted (check Martin Bashir documentary a few yr's back), which is what is great about Michael.....Prince at times has deliberately copied other fads like the whole "npg" thing but 99% of the time, Prince and Mike do what the fuck they like, no matter how eccentric!
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nod well said.

MJ:- a few but not even a 1/4 of the amount Prince has done!


do u know any other than centipede for rebbie, muscles for diana ross and few tracks for latoya?
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Reply #59 posted 09/30/04 5:19am

DavidEye

When did this thread turn into another MJ Vs. Prince thread? confuse

I don't think MJ is a Prince wannabee at all.Now Lenny Kravitz...that's another story lol
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