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Printablejayaredee said: VoicesCarry said: My quote: "If all you can ask is "when has Janet done electronica?" to differentiate between Janet and Madonna, there must not be a lot of difference." Hence, I was saying Janet has NOT done electronica. Can you read?  ok now you're bring my literacy into this, good job Einstein!
YOu say that madonna and janet are both pop so they sound the same, but we say that's not true. WHat dont you understand? They don't sound exactly the same (I never said they did), but they can be categorized easily as pop (many artists can). They generally don't make music to enlighten, they make music for Pop Top 40 and widespread consumption. Unless you want to start arguing that Janet and Madonna are somehow NOT pop stars..... [Edited 9/24/04 10:53am] | |
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jayaredee said: VoicesCarry said: 
This is music appreciation. There is no "fact". So by saying classical music sounds like jazz is music appreciation? I disagree that there is no basis of comparison between their music catalogues. I don't see why this is an issue. "Oh c'mon... the differencies between these two broads really are not like between - say - Johnny Cash and Bananarama." Now go bitch at Novabreaker. | |
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VoicesCarry said: jayaredee said: ok now you're bring my literacy into this, good job Einstein!
YOu say that madonna and janet are both pop so they sound the same, but we say that's not true. WHat dont you understand? They don't sound exactly the same (I never said they did), but they can be categorized easily as pop (many artists can). They generally don't make music to enlighten, they make music for Pop Top 40 and widespread consumption. Unless you want to start arguing that Janet and Madonna are somehow NOT pop stars..... [Edited 9/24/04 10:53am] Ok as i said pop music is a general term, hell you could throw elvis into that category and still he's the king of rock. We're talking about SOUND, not which genre they fit under. Most often r&b artists, dance artists even some rock artists are thrown into the term pop-meaning popular music. pop doesn't have a distinct sound. Madonna and Janet have a very different sound | |
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jayaredee said: VoicesCarry said: They don't sound exactly the same (I never said they did), but they can be categorized easily as pop (many artists can). They generally don't make music to enlighten, they make music for Pop Top 40 and widespread consumption. Unless you want to start arguing that Janet and Madonna are somehow NOT pop stars..... [Edited 9/24/04 10:53am] Ok as i said pop music is a general term, hell you could throw elvis into that category and still he's the king of rock. We're talking about SOUND, not which genre they fit under. Most often r&b artists, dance artists even some rock artists are thrown into the term pop-meaning popular music. pop doesn't have a distinct sound. Madonna and Janet have a very different sound Janet has done way more R&B and Madonna has done way more electronica. That's really all I can see. They've certainly both done heaps of catchy, successful dance-pop songs. There is a reason they are both known as dance icons. [Edited 9/24/04 10:59am] | |
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VoicesCarry said: jayaredee said: Ok as i said pop music is a general term, hell you could throw elvis into that category and still he's the king of rock. We're talking about SOUND, not which genre they fit under. Most often r&b artists, dance artists even some rock artists are thrown into the term pop-meaning popular music. pop doesn't have a distinct sound. Madonna and Janet have a very different sound Janet has done way more R&B and Madonna has done way more electronica. That's really all I can see. They've certainly both done heaps of catchy, successful dance-pop songs. There is a reason they are both known as dance icons. [Edited 9/24/04 10:59am] Janet has always solely been r&b starting with control, most of her dance tracks are r&b as well. Most of it because her producers are always jimmy jam and terry. Madonna has done a lot of electronica as of recently because she's used Mirwais for her last 2 albums. Ray of light is more techno influenced. Before that she's done some r&b, rock, and just pop/dance | |
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jayaredee said: VoicesCarry said: Janet has done way more R&B and Madonna has done way more electronica. That's really all I can see. They've certainly both done heaps of catchy, successful dance-pop songs. There is a reason they are both known as dance icons. [Edited 9/24/04 10:59am] Janet has always solely been r&b starting with control, most of her dance tracks are r&b as well. Most of it because her producers are always jimmy jam and terry. Madonna has done a lot of electronica as of recently because she's used Mirwais for her last 2 albums. Ray of light is more techno influenced. Before that she's done some r&b, rock, and just pop/dance Well then we just classify things differently. This is an utterly stupid debate. | |
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VoicesCarry said: jayaredee said: ok now you're bring my literacy into this, good job Einstein!
YOu say that madonna and janet are both pop so they sound the same, but we say that's not true. WHat dont you understand? They don't sound exactly the same (I never said they did), but they can be categorized easily as pop (many artists can). They generally don't make music to enlighten, they make music for Pop Top 40 and widespread consumption. Unless you want to start arguing that Janet and Madonna are somehow NOT pop stars..... [Edited 9/24/04 10:53am] Madonna: I want people to dress like Britney Spears.... and think like me. Have you listened to anything Madonna has put out since ummm 1998? Most of Ray of Light is about spirtual Enlightment. Music is her finding Love again. And AL is about finding things other than money. Since isn't just singing about sex or love. You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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jayaredee said: VoicesCarry said: Janet has done way more R&B and Madonna has done way more electronica. That's really all I can see. They've certainly both done heaps of catchy, successful dance-pop songs. There is a reason they are both known as dance icons. [Edited 9/24/04 10:59am] Janet has always solely been r&b starting with control, most of her dance tracks are r&b as well. Most of it because her producers are always jimmy jam and terry. Madonna has done a lot of electronica as of recently because she's used Mirwais for her last 2 albums. Ray of light is more techno influenced. Before that she's done some r&b, rock, and just pop/dance According to most magazines I've read Dance Pop didn't not exisit before 82-83. It was either pop or disco before that. Disco had a backlash in 79-82 and no one mainstream really made dance tracks anymore. Enter Shannon's Let the Music Play and a track by someone I forget the name of the artist but it was some white girl from Michigan trying to sound black who released a track called Everybody and right after that a double A side of Physical Attraction and Burning Up. I'm sure she faded away like every other dance artist has. She'd never be as big as the last Disco Queen Donna Summer. Than a new genre of Pop was born. It combined the dance sensiblities of Disco but with a more minimalist feel that evently evolved into DancePop and techno. What happened to that chick? She'd never influence the music industry. Also dance music and r&b weren't on MTV at this time... Warners fought with them over putting Burning Up on MTV... the refused at first because the white kids in Middle America wouldn't like it. They wanted New Wave or Punk. [Edited 9/24/04 12:05pm] You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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jayaredee said: Hey sassy for someone whos concerned about madonna fans insulting janet fans you just contradicted yourself in all your posts. so please stop being such a hypocrite ok?
how so? | |
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In terms of the whole SEX thing they iz very different..
Janet Jackson writes more about feeling 'sexy' or whatever, Madge was more about exploring 'sexuality'..they're both nasty cooches though... But there really is no comparing the 2. Janet is a local star. ...Your coochie gonna swell up and fall apart... | |
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SassyBritches said: jayaredee said: Hey sassy for someone whos concerned about madonna fans insulting janet fans you just contradicted yourself in all your posts. so please stop being such a hypocrite ok?
how so? You disagreed with him | |
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ehuffnsd said: VoicesCarry said: They don't sound exactly the same (I never said they did), but they can be categorized easily as pop (many artists can). They generally don't make music to enlighten, they make music for Pop Top 40 and widespread consumption. Unless you want to start arguing that Janet and Madonna are somehow NOT pop stars..... [Edited 9/24/04 10:53am] Madonna: I want people to dress like Britney Spears.... and think like me. Have you listened to anything Madonna has put out since ummm 1998? Most of Ray of Light is about spirtual Enlightment. Music is her finding Love again. And AL is about finding things other than money. Since isn't just singing about sex or love. Yup, and there are similar themes in Janet's last 3 albums. | |
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DavidEye said
Oh yes,I'm familiar with 'Bedtime Stories'.And her first album could be considered R&B too (I heard songs like "Holiday" and "Lucky Star" on R&B stations long before the pop audience even knew who she was).So she has definitely done that type of music.But these days, much of R&B is dead as far as I'm concerned so I hope she never goes there again.I dread the thought of her calling up someone like R.Kelly or Kanye West to produce an album with her...lol.. Amen! I remember those days and R&B has definately died and gone to hell for years now. Madonna has done a lot of songs I don't care for in the 1990s but she has at least kept my ear by doing house music every now and then. The only house song I can think of by Janet is "Throb". Yeah, she did house 12 Inches and Maxi Singles but so was everyone else at the time. Madonna has done albums where a lot of the songs on the album have a house feel like the album "Erotica". "Rhythm Nation" was the last album I liked of Janet's. I bought the next album "Janet" and the only song I liked on it was "Throb". She really pissed me off with that album. Hip hop was just starting to take over and all we needed was someone huge like Janet to return and shoot it down. Instead of returning strong with something like "Control" or "Rhythm Nation", she comes back with the weak, midtempo, hip hop sounding "That's The Way Love Goes". Instead of trying to beat them, she joined them. Then she started wearing those baggy ass jeans and dressing hip hop. Next thing you know, she's sampling. I made the mistake of buying the "Janet" album and I never made that mistake again. As far as Madonna, I haven't cared for everything she has done since "Erotica" (my favorite Madonna album) but she has at least kept my attention from time to time with house music. [Edited 9/24/04 18:52pm] Andy is a four letter word. | |
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vainandy said: DavidEye said
Oh yes,I'm familiar with 'Bedtime Stories'.And her first album could be considered R&B too (I heard songs like "Holiday" and "Lucky Star" on R&B stations long before the pop audience even knew who she was).So she has definitely done that type of music.But these days, much of R&B is dead as far as I'm concerned so I hope she never goes there again.I dread the thought of her calling up someone like R.Kelly or Kanye West to produce an album with her...lol.. Amen! I remember those days and R&B has definately died and gone to hell for years now. Madonna has done a lot of songs I don't care for in the 1990s but she has at least kept my ear by doing house music every now and then. The only house song I can think of by Janet is "Throb". Yeah, she did house 12 Inches and Maxi Singles but so was everyone else at the time. Madonna has done albums where a lot of the songs on the album have a house feel like the album "Erotica". "Rhythm Nation" was the last album I liked of Janet's. I bought the next album "Janet" and the only song I liked on it was "Throb". She really pissed me off with that album. Hip hop was just starting to take over and all we needed was someone huge like Janet to return and shoot it down. Instead of returning strong with something like "Control" or "Rhythm Nation", she comes back with the weak, midtempo, hip hop sounding "That's The Way Love Goes". Instead of trying to beat them, she joined them. Then she started wearing those baggy ass jeans and dressing hip hop. Next thing you know, she's sampling. I made the mistake of buying the "Janet" album and I never made that mistake again. As far as Madonna, I haven't cared for everything she has done since "Erotica" (my favorite Madonna album) but she has at least kept my attention from time to time with house music. [Edited 9/24/04 18:52pm] Actully Terry and Jimmy started sampling with Rhythm Nation. Where did that base line come from? Does Larry Graham like that song? You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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ehuffnsd said
Actully Terry and Jimmy started sampling with Rhythm Nation. Where did that base line come from? Does Larry Graham like that song? Yes, that's a sample but sampling had not taken over music as a whole back then. I could be wrong but I think that is the only sample on that album. Regardless, the album was funky as hell and there was nothing hip hop about it. The drum machines on that album were FAR stronger than the ones on "That's The Way Love Goes" which were weak hip hop sounding drum machines. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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AFTER READING ALLLLL THESE OPINIONS HERE, I THINK IT'S FUNNY.
JANET HAS EXPLORED "SEX-SENSUALITY" FROM CONTROL... SHE WAS ALREADY MOANING THERE, BUT NOBODY TOOK HER SERIOUSLY BECAUSE THE TRACK WAS NOT A SINGLE 1986: Control: Funny how times when you're having fun.(very explicit for that year) 1989: RN1814: Someday is tonight 1993: Janet: Most of tracks. This is a concept album of sensuality and explicit sexuality 1995: Janet Remixed: 70's love groove 1996: Design of a Decade: Twenty Foreplay 1997: The Velvet Rope: My need, Rope burn, Anything 2001: All for You: When we oooo, China Love, Love scene, 2004: Many tracks... MADONNA PLAYED ALWAYS WITH A SENSUAL IMAGE, BUT NEVER SHOWED THAT SO EXPLICITELY LIKE IN THE IMMACULATE COLLECTION: Justify my love THEN THE ALBUM EROTICA WAS RELEASED (1992) AND IT WAS ALSO A CONCEPT ALBUM THAT INCLUDED ALL KIND OF SEX TENDENCIES: SM: EROTICA. GAY AND POLITICAL: WHY IS SO HARD. AIDS AWARENESS: IN THIS LIFE JANET HAS DO HER PART IN THIS ASPECT TOO. AND THAT'S GREAT!!! I DON'T THINK THERE'S MUCH TO COMPARE ABOUT THEIR MUSIC. 
WHILE JANET HAS USED THE "LOVE- SEX" TOPIC VERY OFTEN IN HER MUSIC (AS A MAIN TOPIC), MADONNA HAS DEDICATED HERSELF TO OTHER TOPICS, LIGHTER OR MORE DENSE AND POLITICAL AND WITH MANY MORE DISTINCTIVE INFLUENCES. ANYWAYS... I LOVE BOTH... 
IN FACT, I'VE USED THEIR SEX SONGS AS BAKGROUND MUSIC WHEN I'VE HAD SEX... AND BELIEVE ME: BOTH ARE PLEASANT AND MATCH PERFECTLY IN 1 CD...  "America is a continent..." |
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God, this is all hopelessly pathetic! "Vous ete tres belle mama, girls and boys"
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ScreamsofPassion said: God, this is all hopelessly pathetic!
What's even more pathetic is you bothering to revive the thread! | |
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Look, I just stumbled upon this as I rarely read these boards. But you are obviously just as pathetic if you contributed as well. So welcome.
VoicesCarry said: ScreamsofPassion said: God, this is all hopelessly pathetic!
What's even more pathetic is you bothering to revive the thread! "Vous ete tres belle mama, girls and boys"
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