SassyBritches said:

Oh yes,I'm familiar with 'Bedtime Stories'.And her first album could be considered R&B too (I heard songs like "Holiday" and "Lucky Star" on R&B stations long before the pop audience even knew who she was).So she has definitely done that type of music.But these days, much of R&B is dead as far as I'm concerned so I hope she never goes there again.I dread the thought of her calling up someone like R.Kelly or Kanye West to produce an album with her...lol..

If 'American Life' sounds SO MUCH like the previous two albums,why were so many fans complaining about it?

DavidEye said:

times were VERY different back then...holiday or lucky star would never make it onto an r&b station these days and you know it. they were pop...plain and very simple. i'm not knocking it; i love those songs. its just not r&b, no matter who played them.

SassyBritches said:

Do you know who Reggie Lucas is? He's a black R&B producer who worked with Madonna on much of that album.If he had given the songs to,say,Stephanie Mills,would you still consider them to be non-R&B songs? They are R&B songs,plain and simple.

DavidEye said:

BECAUSE it sounds JUST LIKE the previous two records! hahahaha! you are killin' me this morning! that was the biggest complaint i heard about the record...well, that and the rapping (which, as much as i like the record, i haven't been able to get over).

DavidEye said:

It is pretty well known that Madonna was marketed as a black artist to a black audience in the early days.

DavidEye said:

It is pretty well known that Madonna was marketed as a black artist to a black audience in the early days.

SassyBritches said:

Nope,the fans complained because it DIDN'T sound like the previous albums! Alot of fans wanted another "Music",or another "Frozen",but Maddy doesn't repeat herself.

adoreme said:

so is justin timberlake in todays market..does anyone really accept him as a black artist though? and niether would they accept madonna as a black artist in today's maket.

DavidEye said:

i don't know any of those fans. i'm not saying they don't exist...just that i've never heard anyone say that american life is a different style than the other two. ok, i'll grant that ray of light s the most extreme of the three but they are all cut from the same cloth, so to speak.

SassyBritches said:

My friend,you need to spend more time on the Madonna forums

anyway, if madonna doing r&b had been as successful as madonna doing electronic stuff you can bet your ass she'd still be there.

I'm sorry but Madonna's music was never considered R&B not on the stations I listened to back in the day and DC is a hot market! We put Madonna in the same category as Hall & Oates, and the Bee Gee's, whites who made good enough pop music to be played on r&B stations. But she was still consided a POP artist. I never heard about her being marketed as a black artist, that's crazy. Yall are really reaching now! Now Teena Marie, that's a whole different story. Now she's a TRUE R&B artist, that who's race was purposely not exposed by Motown. And I would never put Madonna in Teena Marie's category, that's an insult!!!!

I'm sorry but Madonna's music was never considered R&B not on the stations I listened to back in the day and DC is a hot market! We put Madonna in the same category as Hall & Oates, and the Bee Gee's, whites who made good enough pop music to be played on r&B stations. But she was still consided a POP artist. I never heard about her being marketed as a black artist, that's crazy. Yall are really reaching now! Now Teena Marie, that's a whole different story. Now she's a TRUE R&B artist, that who's race was purposely not exposed by Motown. And I would never put Madonna in Teena Marie's category, that's an insult!!!!

I'm sorry but Madonna's music was never considered R&B not on the stations I listened to back in the day and DC is a hot market! We put Madonna in the same category as Hall & Oates, and the Bee Gee's, whites who made good enough pop music to be played on r&B stations. But she was still consided a POP artist. I never heard about her being marketed as a black artist, that's crazy. Yall are really reaching now! Now Teena Marie, that's a whole different story. Now she's a TRUE R&B artist, that who's race was purposely not exposed by Motown. And I would never put Madonna in Teena Marie's category, that's an insult!!!!

I'm sorry but Madonna's music was never considered R&B not on the stations I listened to back in the day and DC is a hot market! We put Madonna in the same category as Hall & Oates, and the Bee Gee's, whites who made good enough pop music to be played on r&B stations. But she was still consided a POP artist. I never heard about her being marketed as a black artist, that's crazy. Yall are really reaching now! Now Teena Marie, that's a whole different story. Now she's a TRUE R&B artist, that who's race was purposely not exposed by Motown. And I would never put Madonna in Teena Marie's category, that's an insult!!!!

SassyBritches said:

Madonna's last three albums did NOT have the same sound....

***'Ray Of Light'---a loud-sounding techno/electronica album with lush musical landscapes ("Frozen" for example).

***'Music'---a more subdued electronica album with elements of country music thrown in on several tracks ("Gone"..."Don't Tell Me"..."I Deserve It").She worked with Mirwais on most of it,and his style of producing is WAY different than William Orbit (he uses a more stripped-down approach,while Orbit was never known for understatement).The title track is straight early-80s electrofunk.

***'American Life'---she's working with Mirwais again,but this time,the sound of the album is decidedly quieter,softer...less techno and more somber melodies....there's ALOT of acoustic guitar and a "rock" feel on a few numbers ("Intervention"..."Hollywood"..."I'm So Stupid").
[Edited 9/24/04 5:54am]

VoicesCarry said:

But the music on these albums is R&B,and each album was produced by Jam and Lewis

"exploring her sensual side",huh? Hasn't she been doing that since 1993?

jayaredee said:

Apparently VC thinks that sample-heavy R&B is the same thing as techno/electronica

DavidEye said:

Comments like this just make it exceedingly clear how unfamiliar you are with her work. The Velvet Rope is NOT a sex album. And most of the tracks on janet. and All For You aren't sensual songs, either. People forget how eclectic the janet. album was.
[Edited 9/24/04 10:38am]

DavidEye said:

exactly! It's not like we're hating on Janet, it's just that there's virtually no comparion between them music wise. Why can't VC accept that.

If you were to play a Janet and Madonna album back to back they would sound nothing alike.

DavidEye said:

What? When did I say this?

jayaredee said:

Because I don't agree with it, genius!

VoicesCarry said:

When you said that Madonna and Janet sound the same

VoicesCarry said:

you dont agree with a fact?

jayaredee said:

My quote: "If all you can ask is "when has Janet done electronica?" to differentiate between Janet and Madonna, there must not be a lot of difference."

Hence, I was saying Janet has NOT done electronica. Can you read?

jayaredee said:

This is music appreciation. There is no "fact".