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PrintableIn pop music,the "comparison game" will always be played.Every artist gets compared to another artist who is considered their rival and of course,the fans take sides.I know it's childish and silly,but it happens all the time,with every artist.It's been going on for years.Throughout the years,I've seen the following artists pitted against each other,sometimes resulting in bitter wars between their fanbases...
Prince Vs. Michael Jackson Rick James Vs. Prince Whitney Houston Vs. Mariah Carey Donna Summer Vs. Diana Ross Tupac Vs. Biggie L.L. Cool J Vs. Kool Moe Dee Christina Aguilera Vs. Britney Spears The Beatles Vs. The Rolling Stones Paul McCartney Vs. John Lennon DeBarge Vs. New Edition Jodeci Vs. Boys II Men As long as it doesn't turn out the way the Tupac/Biggie feud did,we have nothing to worry about. | |
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VoicesCarry said: Because Madonna's material isn't that much different, even though we all like to pretend it really is. Bullshit.Madonna and Janet's music is NOT the same,which is all the more reason why these "comparisons" are silly. | |
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GrayKing said: SassyBritches said: not to keep this going but...
back in the day, madonna was nasty in a very obviously sexual, blunt and often vulgar way whereas janet was more sensual in her handling of sex. after the janet. album, she got pretty blatant but it was still more sensual...hello? the velvet rope is a sexy, sexy cd! i will say that songs like warmth and would you mind go a little too far (i mean, i don't necessarily need you to spell it out and point it out, etc., etc. etc.). all in all, though, madonna is not as "sexy" with her "sex" music. i mean, i don't have any madonna songs on my "booty call" mixes, you know? because she doesn't do "booty call" songs. she doesn't need to pander in that way. but as for the question at hand, I don't mind Janet. it's not her or her music that puts me off. she just bores me these days. it's her fans that i can't stand. i don't mean that as a personal attack on anyone here in particular, it's just the vibe i've gotten from them over the last 10 years or so. I've got plenty of gripes with Madonna, even though I'm a huge fan. but janet's fans generally can't even tolerate the slightest insinuation that janet is imperfect. "she's so sweet and nice and sexy. how can you beat up on her" just doesn't pass for a defense of how stagnant her career is. Gray,you bring up a good point.For all of her sexiness,it's remarkable that Madonna hasn't really done too many "nasty" songs.'Erotica' was her most "sexual" album,and only two songs can truly be considered dirty (the title track and "Where Life Begins").Contrary to what alot of people think,she's so much more than just sex.After the 'Erotica' era,she pretty much moved on.Janet,on the other hand,is still focused solely on sex songs,but you can only do that for so long before it gets played out. | |
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ehuffnsd said: In all reality Madonna has written very few songs about sex... Erotica, Where Life Begins, and the Lenny Kravitz penned Justify My Love are the only ones I can think of. Most of her songs are self-respect, dancing, family, self discovery, lost relationships, and i'm not going to try to spell it but songs about loving someone who doesn't love you back.
And this is what really separates her music from Janet's,imo. | |
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I don't really see any similarity between the two of them musically. The only similarities I see are in their concerts. They both put on over the top, over-choreographed "Broadway" type shows and, in my opinion, both of them are more concerned with putting on big elaborate shows than making good music.
They both have been following current trends musically, especially Janet, and I think the quality of their music has suffered because of it. And Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis need both their asses beat for following the whole hip hop/sampling trend in producing Janet. Those two are capable of MUCH better. Madonna and Janet were both great artists back in the day but I haven't listened to either one of them in years. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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vainandy said: I don't really see any similarity between the two of them musically.
Oh c'mon... the differencies between these two broads really are not like between - say - Johnny Cash and Bananarama. | |
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DavidEye said: VoicesCarry said: Because Madonna's material isn't that much different, even though we all like to pretend it really is. Bullshit.Madonna and Janet's music is NOT the same,which is all the more reason why these "comparisons" are silly. David, I know you love her, but it's POP, alright? Not the Sistine Chapel. | |
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VoicesCarry said: DavidEye said: Bullshit.Madonna and Janet's music is NOT the same,which is all the more reason why these "comparisons" are silly. David, I know you love her, but it's POP, alright? Not the Sistine Chapel. Janet does R&B.Madonna doesn't.Apples and oranges 
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DavidEye said: VoicesCarry said: David, I know you love her, but it's POP, alright? Not the Sistine Chapel. Janet does R&B.Madonna doesn't.Apples and oranges
You've never listened to a Janet record, have you? Anyway, there's no talking to you when it comes to Madonna. It's like talking about religion. | |
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Does 'Ray Of Light' sound like the music Janet does? How about 'Evita'? Janet works with R&B producers who sometimes use samples in their music (Jam and Lewis,Kanye West,etc),Madonna works with mostly non-American techno/electronica producers.It's not quite the same style of music. | |
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DavidEye said:
Does 'Ray Of Light' sound like the music Janet does? How about 'Evita'? Janet works with R&B producers who sometimes use samples in their music (Jam and Lewis,Kanye West,etc),Madonna works with mostly non-American techno/electronica producers.It's not quite the same style of music. That settles it - you've never really listened to a Janet record. Janet's done house music ("Throb"), straight-up pop ("Miss You Much"), dance ("Rhythm Nation"), 'topical' songs ("What About"), neodisco ("Together Again"), new jack swing ("Alright"), R&B ("That's The Way Love Goes"), etc etc etc. Madonna is very diverse, but so is Janet. They don't focus on one style, so I fail to see why you're trying to reduce them to that "apples and oranges" bullshit. [Edited 9/24/04 4:28am] | |
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VoicesCarry said: DavidEye said:
Does 'Ray Of Light' sound like the music Janet does? How about 'Evita'? Janet works with R&B producers who sometimes use samples in their music (Jam and Lewis,Kanye West,etc),Madonna works with mostly non-American techno/electronica producers.It's not quite the same style of music. That settles it - you've never really listened to a Janet record. Janet's done house music ("Throb"), straight-up pop ("Miss You Much"), dance ("Rhythm Nation"), 'topical' songs ("What About"), neodisco ("Together Again"), new jack swing ("Alright"), R&B ("That's The Way Love Goes"), etc etc etc. Madonna is very diverse, but so is Janet. They don't focus on one style, so I fail to see why you're trying to reduce them to that "apples and oranges" bullshit. [Edited 9/24/04 4:28am] It seems like Janet is part of your religion. I have listened to a Janet record in fact i own her entire liabrary, remix cds and all. Janet and Madonna are different sounding in many aspects. When has Janet done electronica? Pop music is such a general term hell if you say they're similar because they're both pop then you'd be inviting Avril Lavigne into this conversation. Pop is such a general term, like rock. Would you be comparing the sounds of the Beatles and the rolling stones because they're both rock? They have a different sound and thats that. | |
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VoicesCarry said: DavidEye said:
Does 'Ray Of Light' sound like the music Janet does? How about 'Evita'? Janet works with R&B producers who sometimes use samples in their music (Jam and Lewis,Kanye West,etc),Madonna works with mostly non-American techno/electronica producers.It's not quite the same style of music. That settles it - you've never really listened to a Janet record. Janet's done house music ("Throb"), straight-up pop ("Miss You Much"), dance ("Rhythm Nation"), 'topical' songs ("What About"), neodisco ("Together Again"), new jack swing ("Alright"), R&B ("That's The Way Love Goes"), etc etc etc. Madonna is very diverse, but so is Janet. They don't focus on one style, so I fail to see why you're trying to reduce them to that "apples and oranges" bullshit. Labels are funny sometimes.I love the way you refer to "Miss You Much" as a "straight up pop song"...lol...sounds like an R&B song to me.And many of those other labels you use---"dance"..."new jack swing"....etc----are nothing more than just slight variations of R&B music.Jam and Lewis are great producers,but they're not that diverse! But this is a pointless discussion,and it's just a matter of opinion anyway. | |
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jayaredee said: VoicesCarry said: That settles it - you've never really listened to a Janet record. Janet's done house music ("Throb"), straight-up pop ("Miss You Much"), dance ("Rhythm Nation"), 'topical' songs ("What About"), neodisco ("Together Again"), new jack swing ("Alright"), R&B ("That's The Way Love Goes"), etc etc etc. Madonna is very diverse, but so is Janet. They don't focus on one style, so I fail to see why you're trying to reduce them to that "apples and oranges" bullshit. [Edited 9/24/04 4:28am] It seems like Janet is part of your religion. I have listened to a Janet record in fact i own her entire liabrary, remix cds and all. Janet and Madonna are different sounding in many aspects. When has Janet done electronica? Pop music is such a general term hell if you say they're similar because they're both pop then you'd be inviting Avril Lavigne into this conversation. Pop is such a general term, like rock. Would you be comparing the sounds of the Beatles and the rolling stones because they're both rock? They have a different sound and thats that. Janet is not my religion. I don't believe her music is high art, but I find it amusing that DavidEye does believe that about Madonna, who in the end is just a pop star. If all you can ask is "when has Janet done electronica?" to differentiate between Janet and Madonna, there must not be a lot of difference 
And you just reiterated my point about trying to classify these artists under the umbrella of one or two genres - doesn't work  | |
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DavidEye said: VoicesCarry said: That settles it - you've never really listened to a Janet record. Janet's done house music ("Throb"), straight-up pop ("Miss You Much"), dance ("Rhythm Nation"), 'topical' songs ("What About"), neodisco ("Together Again"), new jack swing ("Alright"), R&B ("That's The Way Love Goes"), etc etc etc. Madonna is very diverse, but so is Janet. They don't focus on one style, so I fail to see why you're trying to reduce them to that "apples and oranges" bullshit. Labels are funny sometimes.I love the way you refer to "Miss You Much" as a "straight up pop song"...lol...sounds like an R&B song to me.And many of those other labels you use---"dance"..."new jack swing"....etc----are nothing more than just slight variations of R&B music.Jam and Lewis are great producers,but they're not that diverse! But this is a pointless discussion,and it's just a matter of opinion anyway. But Madonna's a genius because she plays with so many styles. And Bedtime Stories is a TRUE R&B album  .
And Madonna does dance music - guess that's just a subtle variation on R&B! "Express Yourself" is really R&B. Now I get it. [Edited 9/24/04 4:39am] | |
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VoicesCarry said:[quote] DavidEye said: But Madonna's a genius because she plays with so many styles.
I didn't say she was a genuis,I simply said that she evolves as an artist and is not afraid to try new sounds and styles.Why do you think the word "reinvention" is used so often when describing Madonna? | |
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DavidEye said:[quote] VoicesCarry said: DavidEye said: But Madonna's a genius because she plays with so many styles.
I didn't say she was a genuis,I simply said that she evolves as an artist and is not afraid to try new sounds and styles.Why do you think the word "reinvention" is used so often when describing Madonna? Because she publicized herself as such. You don't honestly believe she became an Earth Mother ca. Ray Of Light, do you? Or that she's now enlightened about religion and materialism? | |
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VoicesCarry said: DavidEye said: I didn't say she was a genuis,I simply said that she evolves as an artist and is not afraid to try new sounds and styles.Why do you think the word "reinvention" is used so often when describing Madonna? Because she publicized herself as such. You don't honestly believe she became an Earth Mother ca. Ray Of Light, do you? Or that she's now enlightened about religion and materialism? Nope,the term "reinvention" is frequently used because that's exactly what she does with each album.In 1989,she released 'Like A Prayer',a confessional,"serious" pop album that was her most personal work to date.And what does she follow it up with? 'I'm Breathless',an album of 1940s-styled show tunes! Of course,her next CD 'Erotica' didn't sound like either of those two previous albums.I could go on,but I think you get the point. | |
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DavidEye said: VoicesCarry said: Because she publicized herself as such. You don't honestly believe she became an Earth Mother ca. Ray Of Light, do you? Or that she's now enlightened about religion and materialism? Nope,the term "reinvention" is frequently used because that's exactly what she does with each album.In 1989,she released 'Like A Prayer',a confessional,"serious" pop album that was her most personal work to date.And what does she follow it up with? 'I'm Breathless',an album of 1940s-styled show tunes! Of course,her next CD 'Erotica' didn't sound like either of those two previous albums.I could go on,but I think you get the point. She reinvents her image with each album, but I could make a similar case for Janet quite easily. The reason you don't associate Janet with reinvention is because she didn't spend millions of dollars in PR to acquire that label. Control - assertion of independence, embracing freedom Rhythm Nation - developing a social consciousness janet. - exploring her sensual side, having fun in her mid-twenties The Velvet Rope - exploring depression, abuse and divorce All For You - life as a newly-single woman, the aftermath of divorce Damita Jo - finding love again Very easy. You can play this game for a lot of artists. | |
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VoicesCarry said: DavidEye said: Nope,the term "reinvention" is frequently used because that's exactly what she does with each album.In 1989,she released 'Like A Prayer',a confessional,"serious" pop album that was her most personal work to date.And what does she follow it up with? 'I'm Breathless',an album of 1940s-styled show tunes! Of course,her next CD 'Erotica' didn't sound like either of those two previous albums.I could go on,but I think you get the point. She reinvents her image with each album, but I could make a similar case for Janet quite easily. The reason you don't associate Janet with reinvention is because she didn't spend millions of dollars in PR to acquire that label. Control - assertion of independence, embracing freedom Rhythm Nation - developing a social consciousness janet. - exploring her sensual side, having fun in her mid-twenties The Velvet Rope - exploring depression, abuse and divorce All For You - life as a newly-single woman, the aftermath of divorce Damita Jo - finding love again Very easy. You can play this game for a lot of artists. But the music on these albums is R&B,and each album was produced by Jam and Lewis
"exploring her sensual side",huh? Hasn't she been doing that since 1993? | |
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VoicesCarry said: jayaredee said: It seems like Janet is part of your religion. I have listened to a Janet record in fact i own her entire liabrary, remix cds and all. Janet and Madonna are different sounding in many aspects. When has Janet done electronica? Pop music is such a general term hell if you say they're similar because they're both pop then you'd be inviting Avril Lavigne into this conversation. Pop is such a general term, like rock. Would you be comparing the sounds of the Beatles and the rolling stones because they're both rock? They have a different sound and thats that. Janet is not my religion. I don't believe her music is high art, but I find it amusing that DavidEye does believe that about Madonna, who in the end is just a pop star. If all you can ask is "when has Janet done electronica?" to differentiate between Janet and Madonna, there must not be a lot of difference
And you just reiterated my point about trying to classify these artists under the umbrella of one or two genres - doesn't work Somebody missed the boat. How has janet's music changed? How? | |
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Enen JANFAN who is a big janet fan has said there's no comparison between the two so why must you ramble and make yourself look foolish? | |
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jayaredee said: VoicesCarry said: Janet is not my religion. I don't believe her music is high art, but I find it amusing that DavidEye does believe that about Madonna, who in the end is just a pop star. If all you can ask is "when has Janet done electronica?" to differentiate between Janet and Madonna, there must not be a lot of difference
And you just reiterated my point about trying to classify these artists under the umbrella of one or two genres - doesn't work Somebody missed the boat. How has janet's music changed? How? Apparently VC thinks that sample-heavy R&B is the same thing as techno/electronica | |
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DavidEye said: jayaredee said: Somebody missed the boat. How has janet's music changed? How? Apparently VC thinks that sample-heavy R&B is the same thing as techno/electronica exactly! It's not like we're hating on Janet, it's just that there's virtually no comparion between them music wise. Why can't VC accept that.
If you were to play a Janet and Madonna album back to back they would sound nothing alike. | |
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DavidEye said: Janet does R&B.Madonna doesn't.Apples and oranges
davideye, i know you're familiar with bedtime stories. say what you want about madonna not doing r&b...she sure tried with that record. and that awful, awful rap on erotica...did you do it? oh man, thank god madonna doesn't try r&b anymore. | |
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SassyBritches said: DavidEye said: Janet does R&B.Madonna doesn't.Apples and oranges
davideye, i know you're familiar with bedtime stories. say what you want about madonna not doing r&b...she sure tried with that record. and that awful, awful rap on erotica...did you do it? oh man, thank god madonna doesn't try r&b anymore. "did you do it" was a remix of "waiting" it wasn't her work. It had some rapper on it. Madonna tried r&B but she didn't stay there because she wanted to move on to new things. Janet is an r&b artist, madonna is not. In the words of David Apples and Oranges | |
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jayaredee said: SassyBritches said: davideye, i know you're familiar with bedtime stories. say what you want about madonna not doing r&b...she sure tried with that record. and that awful, awful rap on erotica...did you do it? oh man, thank god madonna doesn't try r&b anymore. "did you do it" was a remix of "waiting" it wasn't her work. It had some rapper on it. Madonna tried r&B but she didn't stay there because she wanted to move on to new things. Janet is an r&b artist, madonna is not. In the words of David Apples and Oranges has madonna pulled the wool over your eyes? if she's so concered with moving on why have her last 3 records had the same sound? furthermore...janet's last three records have NOT had the same sound. tvr was VERY different from afy or dj. anyway, if madonna doing r&b had been as successful as madonna doing electronic stuff you can bet your ass she'd still be there. | |
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SassyBritches said: DavidEye said: Janet does R&B.Madonna doesn't.Apples and oranges
davideye, i know you're familiar with bedtime stories. say what you want about madonna not doing r&b...she sure tried with that record. and that awful, awful rap on erotica...did you do it? oh man, thank god madonna doesn't try r&b anymore. Oh yes,I'm familiar with 'Bedtime Stories'.And her first album could be considered R&B too (I heard songs like "Holiday" and "Lucky Star" on R&B stations long before the pop audience even knew who she was).So she has definitely done that type of music.But these days, much of R&B is dead as far as I'm concerned so I hope she never goes there again.I dread the thought of her calling up someone like R.Kelly or Kanye West to produce an album with her...lol.. | |
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SassyBritches said: jayaredee said: "did you do it" was a remix of "waiting" it wasn't her work. It had some rapper on it. Madonna tried r&B but she didn't stay there because she wanted to move on to new things. Janet is an r&b artist, madonna is not. In the words of David Apples and Oranges has madonna pulled the wool over your eyes? if she's so concered with moving on why have her last 3 records had the same sound? furthermore...janet's last three records have NOT had the same sound. tvr was VERY different from afy or dj. anyway, if madonna doing r&b had been as successful as madonna doing electronic stuff you can bet your ass she'd still be there. Madonna's last three albums did NOT have the same sound.... ***'Ray Of Light'---a loud-sounding techno/electronica album with lush musical landscapes ("Frozen" for example). ***'Music'---a more subdued electronica album with elements of country music thrown in on several tracks ("Gone"..."Don't Tell Me"..."I Deserve It").She worked with Mirwais on most of it,and his style of producing is WAY different than William Orbit (he uses a more stripped-down approach,while Orbit was never known for understatement).The title track is straight early-80s electrofunk. ***'American Life'---she's working with Mirwais again,but this time,the sound of the album is decidedly quieter,softer...less techno and more somber melodies....there's ALOT of acoustic guitar and a "rock" feel on a few numbers ("Intervention"..."Hollywood"..."I'm So Stupid"). [Edited 9/24/04 5:54am] | |
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DavidEye said: SassyBritches said: has madonna pulled the wool over your eyes? if she's so concered with moving on why have her last 3 records had the same sound? furthermore...janet's last three records have NOT had the same sound. tvr was VERY different from afy or dj. anyway, if madonna doing r&b had been as successful as madonna doing electronic stuff you can bet your ass she'd still be there. Madonna's last three albums did NOT have the same sound.... ***'Ray Of Light'---a loud-sounding techno/electronica album with lush musical landscapes ("Frozen" for example). ***'Music'---a more subdued electronica album with elements of country music thrown in on several tracks ("Gone"..."Don't Tell Me"..."I Deserve It").She worked with Mirwais on most of it,and his style of producing is WAY different than William Orbit (he uses a more stripped-down approach,while Orbit was never known for understatement).The title track is straight early-80s electrofunk. ***'American Life'---she's working with Mirwais again,but this time,the sound of the album is decidely quieter,softer...less techno and more somber melodies....there's ALOT of acoustic guitar and a "rock" feel on a few numbers ("Intervention"..."Hollywood"). dude...they sound very, very, very similar. musical (lol) landscapes or not. davideye, you crack me up! | |
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