GangstaFam said:

If I'm not mistaken she cancelled the majority of them after September 11?

GangstaFam said:

but i don't think it matters what YOU or I would want to hear. she is entitled to her privacy just as we are entitled to aa refund if we can't make the rescheduled show. its only entertainment for us...that divorce was her life changing. if she wants to postpone some dates and keep her privacy, who am i to get salty. at least she made them up. when madonna was on blonde ambition she cancelled all of her philadelphia shows due to illness and DID NOT reschedule.

and by the way, janet's show was completely different from madonna's so what would have been the purpose behind "spies" at a madonna rehearsal? once a show is choreographed and blocked, fully complete, you can't just start altering things. its all timed to the second. they could not have used any of madonna's ideas because, as i said, the janet show was ALREADY on the road. i think you're story may have been created by some over zealous fans.

VoicesCarry said:

http://mlvc.org/digests/v...r/v10.n163


search for "janet"

Janet. That decision is relatively easy.

I think Janet overall has made better songs than Madonna. She's more likeable than Madonna. She's better looking than Madonna. I like her jams better than Madonna's overall.

Whatever Madonna's virtues are, and she has some -- primarily her mid-to-late 80's work and her shrewd business practices -- she became simply a brand name a decade and a half ago. She adapts not for creative purposes, but to remain relevant to the masses. She's shown a flair for it, to be sure, but that talent is tainted by a "look-at-me" aura that unappealing and got played years ago. And her publicly pious devotion to Kabbalah is distasteful to me, especially since she has co-opted religious symbols to garner attention with no respect for other cultures. She disrespects religions and hawks her own religiosity with equal aplomb, and it looks to me like it's an extension of her obsession to stay relevant.

I'm sure you all will disagree, and you have ample room for doing so. This is mostly off-the-cuff opinion. I don't hate Madonna, I just tired of her years ago.

Tessa said:

Oooh, a message board archive. Definitely going to take that seriously!

Janet, Janet, Janet!!!

A. Infinitely more prettier!!!!
B. Definitely has a superior body!!!!
C. Would dance Madonna's stiff/mechanical ass off the stage!!!

Now as far as who would like either Madonna's or Janet's songs that is subjective.

JANET!!!!

gman1966 said:

Actually Madonna would be the better dancer. She was the one with 15 years of dance TRAINING before moving to New York to DANCE with Alvin Alliey and Pearl Lang.

ehuffnsd said:

I am not talking about formal classes or that choreagraph crap....I'm talking about soul-dancing and grooving and fluid movements like a soul sista. Outside that formal stuff Madonna is stiff!!! and may I quote Prince "Dancing like a white girl on Disco dirty floor" I
think that is the line... Out.....

Look at this fine beautiful black woman!!! You see that ass...Old flat ass Madonna
[Edited 9/23/04 22:47pm]

gman1966 said:

that's a pretty retarded thing to say, even from you.





it's not hard to make dance moves look natural, when you've been doing the same ones for 15 years.

GrayKing said:[quote]

gman1966 said:

Well my man that's your retarded opininion isn't it...

I have a feeling the flame wars already are taking of...

GrayKing said:

This is my main problem with Janet.I like her and I think she has alot to offer.But,musically,she seems almost afraid to branch out and try something new,bold and daring.Many people say that she has made the same album three or four times in a row.She's basically stuck in a "R&B/dance-music-with-sexual-lyrics" mode and the Janet of "today" is not that much different from the Janet of 1993.

Since 1993,what has Madonna done musically? She's done an R&B album ('Bedtime Stories'),a collection of just her ballads ('Something To Remember'),a 2-CD soundtrack album that was a radical departure from her pop recordings ('Evita'),a take-no-prisoners techno/electronica album ('Ray Of Light'),a more subdued electronica album that even ventured into country music territory ('Music'),a defiant,deeply personal album in which she reflects on where she's been and where she's going ('American Life'),and there was even room for a remix album ('Remixed and Revisted') which takes her into hard rock/electroclash territory.Love her or hate her,you have to admit that she is always taking chances,moving ahead and trying new sounds/styles.

DavidEye said:

baloney. she's just a culture vulture assimilating people and styles left and right

GrayKing said:

yeah,a true "trend-follower",lol.

gman1966 said:

What exactly does this have to do with their art?
And considering Janet is nearly a decade younger than Madonna, that might explain why she looks better and younger.

GrayKing said:

See Sassy it's not only the Madonna fans who nail Janet, it's vice versa as well

gman1966 said:

"Damn,not you again!!"

DavidEye said:

That is one ugly bitch!!!!

adoreme said:

I've only seen them videos of concerts I like Madonna's performances better. But I havent seen them live so that doesnt make much sense.

My judgment is purely based on their music, so Madonna wins Madonna tried more subjects and styles. But it's not just that. Her music, more emotionally capturing to me.

I still like Janet's stuff alot though.

gman1966 said:

What you're saying is 100% bogus. Since when has Janet done anything un-choreographed or on the spot? Her American Bandstand performances for Dream Street? Her little warmups in Fame? So what? Everything she does is planned. However, have you seen things like the "Lucky Star" video or Desperately Seeking Susan? Madonna can get down and "soul-dance" as you say with the best of 'em. She has a very natural movement to her that you can just tell she's loving what she's doing.

And to me, the argument about looks is the far more subjective subject. I've always had the hots for Madonna. And don't go on about her pale complected, no ass, too hard body look. Maybe that does it for me. And I've always found Janet too put together. I get the sense that there's always a team fixing her for the public. Madonna could be walking around in her bathrobe and hungover and she'd still be the shit.

Christopher Flynn, Erica Bell, Debi Mazar, Christopher Ciccone, Martin Burgyoune, Andy Warhol, Jean-Michelle Basquit, Dan Gilroy, Steven Bray, Mark Kamins, Reggie Lucas, Jellybean Bentiz and a few others said that when Madonna walked into a club the dance floor would part for her when she danced... this was before she was famous also the whole club would stop and watch her walk in. People would stop her on the street and want to take her photograph.

She has IT whatever IT is.

Today even famous people who are jaded by their own fame stop and watch Madonna when she comes to a party, event, or a concert.

ehuffnsd said:

Chutzpah.

GangstaFam said:

You're right about Janet, but PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE tell me that you realize that Madonna don't step out in public without her image being totally choreographed by her handlers. If Janet has a "team," Madonna owns the "league" when it comes to handlers.

JANET!!!

Here, Janet sets off the Fine-Booty Detector.

DavidEye said:

The only exception to your argument about Janet is the "Velvet Rope" cd. That cd along with RN1814 are her masterpieces IMO. People tend to forget about the Velvet Rope. That cd was funky, dark and experimental at the same time.