is pathetic. they are on the jane pauley show talking about their group therapy. the jane pauley show, fer fucks sake! yeah, some kind of metal rockers...lol. those guys really turned into a bunch of whiney bitches.

Let's see you rock as hard!
Does a heavy metal band have to get drunk, do drugs, trash hotel rooms, screw hundreds of chicks, blah-blah-blah to earn respect?
They had me at "No Leaf Clover".

OdysseyMiles said:

I thought they'd already done that?

OdysseyMiles said:

metallica hasn't rocked hard since ...and justice for all. ride the lightning, master of puppets, crashcousre in brain surgery....that was metallica. i don't who who these old goofs are on the jane pauley show, lol.
[Edited 9/30/04 10:31am]

SassyBritches said:

I know, I know, nobody's allowed to change. Old goofs, .
Actually, I didn't care for St. Anger all that much. I need some melodies with my rock. That's why I loved Songs for The Deaf by Queens of The Stone Age. That's some good metal.

OdysseyMiles said:

yes. i'm way against change. that explains why i'm a fan of prince.

nah, i am glad they changed...nothing's worse than a mid life alcoholic. but the jane pauley show...good grief. how desperate are they to sell records and movie tickets.

SassyBritches said:

You're damn right what's the world coming to?

OdysseyMiles said:

(granted, I haven't listened to them since 1990, but I still love Metallica)

minneapolisgenius said:

Some of those songs on 'S&M' were awesome.

Wow, seems like it's popular to bash Metallica lately. How original.

I watched the Jane Pauley show today, and I wouldn't call it pathetic-surreal? Absolutely.

They have an investment in Some Kind Of Monster and really seem to care about the film, so it makes sense. Whether you think it's all about the money or not-they've stood behind something that doesn't show them in a completely flattering light. I've seen it twice, and loved it. If they care enough about it to want to go on daytime TV, however much even I'm not used to seeing them in that atmosphere (I could understand Headbanger's Ball a little more), then go for it.

Not sure how the typical Jane Pauley audience will react or even go, but it's worth seeing.

If you think it's all about the money, have hated them for years, or just are pissed they aren't making *insert album here*-wonderful. Go listen to whichever album you love the most and try to leave it at that.

Wasting your breath complaining that a band has lost its past glory really does nothing. St. Anger isn't their best album, but after seeing Some Kind Of Monster there's at least an appreciation gained at the point they were at. I like to think of it as them having to do that to get to the next point-they had to do that to simply survive.

It's not like they flashed a nipple to keep their careers alive or something.



(I miss your old avatar.)

These guys should have called it quits after the Black Album. The quality of their music turned to shit when thay tried to compete with 90's alternative.

I'm not a huge fan of theirs, but as with a lot of music, there are songs from them I like. Just taking an outsider's look for a second, I've always viewed them as a snobbish bunch, the type who thought they were so much better than everyone else cause " we have integrity, we don't make videoes ." Of course, most of that attitude was proir to
And Justice for All, and the video for " ONE ". Once they were popular all over MTV, they really got big heads. I can't comment too much on the Jane Pauley show or their recent documentary cause I have'nt seen either. I just hope they got their money's worth out of the therapy, cause they could have easily self destructed long ago.

EvilWhiteMale said:

Amen to that brotha!

hey, i just called them out on being whiney bitches. am i wrong? has lars ulrich not turned into the most annoying, whiney, corporate ass? i lost a lot of respect for him with the whole napster thing...now that i see the entire band on a housewives talk show i've lost even more respect. what's next...a stint on passions or days of our lives?

SassyBritches said:

subby says:

Lars has always been that way. When he did he turn into it?



He's been the business side for years, and when he had the chance, he ate up high society. There's scene in the movie where he's selling his art, sipping champagne.

The Napster thing was about him wanting to control the option if Metallica's music was shared, which I respect but it seems a lot of people started whining when they weren't being able to download for free. Pretty childish.

If you've lost respect then what's the point of starting a thread about it? Seems like a waste of time to me-they say they feed off the good and bad vibes, so I'm not sure how you're hurting anything if you're wasting your own time talking about something you hate.

Just a thought. I don't agree with everything they've done and the decisions they've made but the whole point is that it's their career, so it's not like we're changing anything-they do things for themselves, always have, love it or hate it.

asylum said:

one could argue that posting anything at all on a message board is a waste of time. in fact, i was wasting time by watching tv earlier (whilst orging about) and that led to the post. i've though this way about metallica since the black album (the last record of theirs i purchased) yet this is the only time i've ever spoken about them on the org (or pretty much anywhere for that matter).

SassyBritches said:

subby says:

I get what you're saying. I've noticed there's a lot of people that weren't exactly thrilled when the Black album or Load and Reload came out.

For me at least I always liked the fact that were willing to try something new-I'd get bored if they just tried to rehash the same formula. There are people (probably used to be big fans) that view it as the death of Metallica as they knew them and loved them, and I guess for me I always somehow enjoyed that.

Do I wish they'd make another album that's as brilliant as the older material? It'd be great, but I guess I enjoy the fact more that they fuck with expectations.

Love it or hate it, they do what they want, and even when I'm not thrilled with the outcome (St. Anger is pretty cool, but not a favorite of mine), I respect the fact they do what they want without worrying about it without question.

Of course, the fans that bought the earlier albums got them to this point (myself included) but I kind of really enjoy watching the angry crowd's reaction or seeing people hate them either because they're not into them anymore or just want to join in on the bashing.

My real hope is that with the therapy and dealing with the crap they should have for years but never did maybe the next album will be much better. James in interviews has said the songs were a little too long so maybe they realize they need to tighten things up a bit and hopefully it means they can go up from there.

Personally I've been surprised they've lasted as long as they have-with all the stuff they've gone through, and expected it to end earlier, whether you think it should have or not.

I guess I'm just curious as to what will happen next.

kind of like (most of) us and prince. i gotcha.

SassyBritches said:

subby says:

Exactly.



(Now the Swizz Beatz thing is just unforgivable...)

It's all a matter of opinion, U either 'love them or hate them'. Hating on them is a waste of everybodys time. It benefits to think outside of the square...

I have been a devoted fan of Metallica since the 80's and respect them in regards to their passion, which is their music. Writing, composing and producing is their life so with the entire Napster issue it all came down to protecting their passion and rights. Coming from their point of view I could understand because they were getting ripped off.

Unlike many 'so called' stars that sell their Souls to make a name for themselves, Metallica have bared their Souls and don't care what the World thinks about it. 'Love it or hate it' they are who they are. My favorite albums are basically most of them and IMO St Anger was a great album, I don't mind the direction they're heading to but their past material rocked the hardest...

PanthaGirl said:

so you can either love them or hate them but just don't say you hate them. do i have that right?

clarity edit.
[Edited 10/1/04 8:16am]

SassyBritches said:

I think the point being made is, "if you love them, great!"; but if you hate them, Sassybritches, don't you have better things to do than waste YOUR breath and energy joining the group of, in your words, ["whiney bitches"]!

I think this was a waste of a perfectly good thread. If you don't like it, change the bleeding channel, pal!!!!

TheJoker said:

or skip the bleeding thread, pal.

SassyBritches said:

Nice one. You got me there.

Back when I was in High School I used to roadie for my friends who were in a Metallica cover band. It wasn't really my kind of music, but they did encourage me to be a musician myself.

SassyBritches said:

Ur such a waste of oxygen so I'm not even gonna bother!

TheJoker said:

U rock baby bro!

PanthaGirl said:

Hey sis!!!

OdysseyMiles said:

Last month I saw Van Halen and it was the exact same show as the 1984 and 1986 shows.

I also saw Prince last month (3 times) and they were some of the best shows I have ever seen! I was kind of glad I didn't see the Pruple Rain tour 20 years later. And the Time opened up one of those shows and while it was nice to see them again after 21 years, it was the exact same show as 21 years earlier.

So I don't have any problem with groups "changing" and "evolving" (in most cases). Some times it is just necessary to move on. METALLICA STILL ROCKS!