Hate if you want. I'm feeling most of suit and some of sweat.
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I HATE his ''music''
His vocal range seems to consist of 2 tones only .
How can anybody like this unoriginal,emotionless,commercial shite ????!!!!
[Edited 9/14/04 9:50am]

I knew a lot people on this board would hate on this but that's cool. If I hadn't heard the album I might have too. I think he did a nice job with the suit disk. The cuts featuring Anthony Hamelton and Ron Isley are as good as it gets in the hip hop world IMO.

intha916 said:

I'll reserve judgement until I hear anything, but I kinda cringe when an artist like Nelly is referred to as hip hop. I've always thought of him as a rap artist. There's a difference.

OdysseyMiles said:

Hip Hop is a culture... Rap is the music of the Culture... thats the difference.... the bigger difference is NELLY SUCKS

TheRealFiness said:

If his track with Jaheim is any indication of what either of the albums is gonna be like, I will pass.

TheRealFiness said:

(for future reference)



tA

Tribal Disorder

http://www.soundclick.com...rmusic.htm

TheRealFiness said:

This is always a point of contention but as someone from the first hip hop generation (and a dj at that) I will always contend rap is something you do. It does not discribe the music itself. You could rap over rock, country or classical if you wanted to but if it didn't have the right beat it wouldn't be hip hop. When I use the term hip hop, I'm talking a style of music. Music that focuses on the beat and uses snippets or samples to fill out the track. This was the roots of hip hop after all. DJs taking different beats and adding bits and pieces of other records to rock the party. Since then we have seen a merging of R&B and Hip Hop (which I don't really think is a good thing as it conserns r&b). Nelly is one of those rappers that tends to live on the line between r&b and hip hop. Not arguing that it makes it better or worse but he is part hip hop like it or not.
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intha916 said:

Im a Original cat from 1976 son... Bronx raised been a dj since late 75 early 76'... when we had no pitch controls.. and mixers were huge lol.we will always have the debate of what is what in Hip hop.

TheRealFiness said:

It's cool. I go back to a time when we cut our teeth on tables that weren't even 1200s. Using your thumb as sort of pitch control. And those good old radio shack 4 channel mixers lol. The fact you are a DJ from the Bronx during that era, automatically gets my respect. We will just agree to disagree here.
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While I don't always agree with AMG's reviews, they hit it right on the head with this one.

Review by Jason Birchmeier
Nelly's decision to release his Sweatsuit project as two respective albums, Sweat and Suit — the former clubby and insincere, the latter refined and mannered — is somewhat of a mixed blessing. On the one hand, it's nice to pick whichever side of Nelly's persona you prefer, whether in general or at any particular moment; on the other hand, the separate-album concept makes for two very one-dimensional albums that begin to sound formulaic by their respective conclusions. The thing is, Nelly has plenty of great songs here on these two albums. Quality certainly isn't an issue — he works with a who's who of pop-rap circa 2004, from the Neptunes to Christina Aguilera to Snoop Dogg to Missy Elliott, and ends up with a wealth of certified and could-be hits. Yet by sorting them into two different categories and then lumping them together onto two separate CDs, the diversity at hand is nullified. Granted, this two-styles, two-discs approach worked well for OutKast on Speakerboxxx/The Love Below (and less well, but well nonetheless, for R. Kelly on Happy People/U Saved Me), but it doesn't work so well for Nelly. His Sweatsuit recordings are diverse, for sure, but OutKast he isn't, nor is he the Pied Piper. Rather, Nelly is essentially a pop star who happens to rap, and as such, he specializes in calculated pop formulas — namely clubby, cocky party songs (previously "Hot in Herre," presently "Flap Your Wings") and sweet, sultry love songs (formerly "Dilemma," presently "My Place"). And by sorting those two formulas into respective albums, the calculation becomes overt and comes across as formulaic to discerning listeners. The key, then, is to not be a discerning listener: it's best to just let these songs play and take them for what they are — well-done popcraft. The Suit disc is by far the more interesting disc of the two. There are only 11 songs here, but thankfully they're relatively diverse compared to those of Sweat. All except three of them are collabos, and often the collaborators steal the show, resorting Nelly to guest status on his own album. "Play It Off," a tiptop-shelf Neptunes joint boasting a great Pharrell vocal contribution, kicks off the album marvelously, and the next two tracks — "Pretty Toes" and "My Place" — are top draws also. The former is a fun Jazze Pha song toasting fly girls, and the latter is a "Dilemma" retread — where that song had aped Patti LaBelle's "Love, Need and Want You" for its hook (to much success), this one apes yet another Philly soul classic, Teddy Pendergrass' bedroom ballad "Come Go With Me" (again, to much success). Another highlight is "She Don't Know My Name," a Speakerboxxx-like Big Boi (of OutKast) production where Ron Isley and Snoop Dogg steal the show, leaving Nelly only a 45-second verse for himself. Most of the other songs have their virtues: for instance, "N Dey Say" appropriates Spandau Ballet's timeless 1983 Top Ten hit "True"; "Woodgrain and Leather Wit a Hole" is a laid-back ode to smoking and driving (hydro smoking, that is); "It's My Life" marks the return of (...drum roll, please) Mase; and "Over and Over" includes an overdubbed hook by country star Tim McGraw that works much better than it should. All of this amounts to a brief album with absolutely no filler. Granted, Nelly's rapping here is more restrained and insubstantial than ever, but when you have a cast of collaborators like this, the actual rapping is beside the point — these are fun songs, plain and simple, and wonderfully catchy to boot. This makes for a great album. Had Nelly combined the 49-minute Suit with the half-dozen highlights from Sweat, however, he'd have a really great album. (Doing just that on your PC or Mac is highly recommended, by the way, and quite fun.)

intha916 said:

LOL true indeed i lost many a fingernail and burning my flesh fightin wit 45s man

Are the 2cd's bought separately??

UUUUUGGGGGHHHHH!!!!!

I'm gonna DROP DOWN AND GET MY HATIN ON.....

and to think this clown thought he could fuck with KRS....

Why are there so many double album epics being released this year? First it started in late 2003 when Outkast did their first grammy-award winning album, Speakerboxxx/The Love Below (which I still play today, I admit it), then it was R. Kelly's latest stepping-upbeat/spritual double album, Happy People/U Saved Me, now it's another one of those poor hip-hop double album epics, which are Nelly's Sweat/Suit, how stupid can an artist be, thinking they will get a Grammy for Album Of The Year just like Outkast did.

silverchild said:

It's funny you say this and your Avatar is Stevie Wonder's "songs int he Key of Life" a 2 album plus a 45 record opus. Nobody can pull it off like Stevie, but he did have his critics back in the day that said there was too much music that he put out at once, and the additional 45 record was cool for fans but kind of a pain to put on after flipping the other 2 records. I love it when Stevie goes on and jams for 10 minutes, but I have read of critics not liking it as much.

I agree in this case though with Nelly, both cd's are OK like GNR's "Use Your Illusions", but if combined and sequenced right, he would have had a great cd.

I'm definitely not gonna buy this.

When Country Grammar came out I didn't even listen to rap and hip-hop, but I was flipping the channel and caught the title song's video and I was instantly drawn in. I thought Nelly had lots of charisma and that his music was very frenetic and fun.

His delivery very rhythmic. So, I bought the album ... Ride Wit Me was an awesome track, as was Other Side, E.I. and basically the whole album.


When Nellyville came out. I instantly liked Hot in Herre and the rest of the tracks. #1 was one of the best tracks ever. Dilemma was great, especially when Nelly sang it instead of rapping it on SNL.


But after that, Nelly's music starting going down. He did that horrible P.Diddy song --which was simply jibberish. He went from lyrics in #1 (which are really strong) to writing that shit. He went from Dilemma (where the short stop metaphor in the first verse gave me pause) to basically repeating E.I lyrics for the Tailfeather song. Aside from the chorus, I thought Hot in Herre had great lyrics and style too... but Tailfeather was stupid and was the first time i became worried about Nelly's career.

Then I had to see him put a credit card in some hoochie's ass for his remix song.

Now, Flap Your Wings is baseically as second version of Tailfeather and celebrates girls being spread eagle. Wtf?

I cannot bounce to Nelly anymore ... because I'm tired of hearing about assess and hoochies. Other rappers were doing enough of that, Nelly did not have to go here.

Tip Drill was truly degrading and trifling. I won't even go into the Pimp Juice drink and the Apple Bottoms promotional show on MTV with all the girls showing their asses. And I won't talk about his weak ass remix album that preceded this one just so fans could spend unnecessary money.

What happened to the fun Nelly I fell in love with through Country Grammar and Ride Wit Me. Yeah, he talked about weed a lot, but damn I could argue that it was nature's medication..... blah, blah, blah. But I can't defend this smut he's putting out.

I thought he was getting better but if Wings and My Place accurately reflect his current stuff ... he's become lazy and is on the decline.

And his degradation of women, which was not really noticeable to me with his debut and second album, has become mammoth.


I don't know if there are other Nelly fans out there who feel he's changed for the worse but I do and think it's sad.

Even when people dismissed him as a nursery rhyme artist, I really thought Nelly has something unique that would fine-tune over time. What is going on?
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SynthiaRose said:

Man, that video is just pure comedy. I watch it when I feel the need to be grossed out.

SynthiaRose said:

silverchild said:

This is NOT a double album but rather two very different cds. As I said, I like Suite much better as it makes no bones about being very heavly R&B influenced. I like what Nelly did here. He gave people a choice. Even thought I did buy both albums (since best buy had a special two for $18) I was never a fan of his tracks like "Hot In Here" or "Tail Feathers" By having two albums, you knew what you were getting with each one. I agree with those that say shit like "Tip Drill" sucks. And I really didn't care to much for his first cd outside of Country Grammer. But Nelly has put out a very enjoyable Pop/Rap/R&B disk with Suit that will be spawning hits for the next year or so. That means he is about to replace Usher as public enemy #1 on these boards.
[Edited 9/15/04 9:05am]

I guess the more guest stars you have on an album, the less lyrics you have to write. It seems like some artists are not interested in doing a true "concept" album anymore. Many albums today look more like the season premier of a hit t.v. show: Lots of guest appearances, a "supposed" change in direction, and an overly-hyped anti-climactic premise. Yippee.