Let me add that:
1. If some of you think that Invincible is not good and that´s why MJ´s not king anymore...let´s put it this way...Give me name of ONE single artist whose EVERY SINGLE album and song you love. There´s noone like that. I bet that you wouldn´t even find one Prince fan who would totally adore EVERYTHING he has ever released. So it´s not that Invincible or History are not good albums, they just don´t fit your taste. So this is usually a matter of taste, not a sign of that artist musical abilities coming down. The fact that I don´t like Musicology that much is not a reason for me to believe that Prince is not a musical genius anymore! This album only doesn´t fit my taste.
2. If MJ seems to be having break in last few years..well after 40 years of doing nothing, but music, let´s give him that LUXURY to have time to experience other things in life.
3. There´s no reason to admire Madonna for still releasing album after album, cause she started at the age of 20 (or when, sorry if it´s inacurate) - when MJ had already worked for 15 years. So he´s still 15 years ahead of her - that´s how long MJ can have a rest and Madonna still wouldn´t be able to say that she has worked more than him.
4. It´s not that MJ´s music is better than Prince´s. It´s just more melodic. MJ´s music is easier to get into. You usually like most of his music the first time you hear it, that´s why it is so easily accepted by worldwide public. I LOOOOOVE Prince music, but with most of his albums it took me 10 or more listening to get into it. His music is harder to get into - that´s why I´d say, his music is not as "popular". But that doesn´t mean it´s worse! I think both of those artist do one of the best music ever!

jayaredee said:

I did in now way refer to you as 'hater'.
That was for haters who will come forward quoting me for what I've written and say stuff like he's a child molseter he sucks etc.
honestly, that wasnt for you.

and no I agree with speeddemon coz what s/he's written about Elvis is pretty much what I think



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[This message was edited Sat Aug 21 10:34:53 2004 by LightOfArt]

dag said:

First let me be very honest. I loke every single album Madonna released, not trying to show you up but it's an honest fact

I write MJ's name in my list and now im getting attacked by all the MJ worshippers. Personal note to self: Do not say anything negative about MJ on this board again.
Notice all the people attacking me have either a michael jackson screen name or MJ pic.

jayaredee said:

Personal note to self: Change you avatar, so you wont be labelled worshipper

please read my post above



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[This message was edited Sat Aug 21 10:44:04 2004 by LightOfArt]

OK, I don´t have any artist whose every album I´d totally love. Not even MJ or Prince! I am not into invincible either. Some songs are too sweet for me and other too "technical". But still there are few fine tracks on it.

Sorry if you take that as attacks. It´s not. Just plain discussion.

BTW what would you expect from us. There´s a reason why we chose those avatars. Do you think that we would let someone say that he´s not good anymore? For us, saying something like that can be considered as an attack as well.

LightOfArt said:

OMG you don't have to change your avatar, i just thought it was an interesting discovery. Gee you can't take everything i say so close to heart.
That's the problem with MJs die hard fans, if you say one small little thing about their hero they take it like a dagger in their heart.

OK, you didn´t address it to me though, but I wasn´t calling you names or something when I didn´t agree with what you said. I just posted my point of view,. So please also do not that everything so offensively.....

Yet another MJ thread!

minneapolisgenius said:

I admit i am partly to blame for writing his name in my last, then i got pounced.

jayaredee said:

Yes, we try NEVER to add his name to any list.

You see what happens.

minneapolisgenius said:

There should just be an MJ BITCH THREAD, where people can have the same conversations, day after day, about his artistic merits.

VoicesCarry said:

A STICKY.

Hey, didn't we already have one of those already though?

minneapolisgenius said:

Im sorry im rather new here so i didn't know MJ was highly worshipped

minneapolisgenius said:

Actually, it can be a read-only thread. Because you could just take one argument, post it, and it wouldn't make a difference. They always degenerate into the same thing.

jayaredee said:

He's not. He has several acolytes who seem to think this is an MJ board. That's all.

now what? we can not voice what we think of MJ without being labelled MJ's bitches and worshippers?

LightOfArt said:

It is not you voicing your opinion that's the problem, it is the way you sometimes attack other people for having their opinions about MJ. Also the way you confuse OPINION with FACT (yours being correct) way too much. Seriously, you guys need to lighten up about MJ and respect the dissent that exists.

You don't see parades of Nirvana fans flooding the board whenever something negative is said about them. Why does a thread so often turn into an MJ thread? Because his fans won't let well enough alone.
[This message was edited Sat Aug 21 11:30:26 2004 by VoicesCarry]

VoicesCarry said:

VoicesCarry said:

I did not attack anybody, I was saying he's underrated because of that,that and that. Until I became a bitch and worshipper of MJ.

LightOfArt said:

Who called you a bitch?

Anyway, we all know you worship MJ. You've freely admitted this. There's nothing wrong with that. It's just you should expect other people here to, and you also shouldn't expect us to only say positive things about him, or to agree with you 100% of the time. If you want that, you should go to a fan site.

The notion that MJ is underrated is indeed a really hilarious statement to a non-fan. You have to try and understand that. That is why people were quite shocked to see that posted.

VoicesCarry said:

how da hell you know I worship MJ. Explain what you mean by 'worship' ?

The thing is you can't expect everyone to say negative things about him. People CAN say negative things about him, but see when I wanna say something positive I can't voice it freely without being insulted.

that is a problem with this board

LightOfArt said:

You said you did. Also, as if we couldn't tell by the number of adoring posts you've made on this board in the past few months? I didn't say it was a negative, I don't know why you're getting so pissed off.

You can and do say positive things, in case you hadn't noticed. No one insulted you (unless a rebuttal is an insult for you, which it very well may be). However, you really just CANNOT let it go when someone says something negative. I've noticed that (and not just you, but a few other MJ fans on this board).

The only "problem" I can see you having on this board, is that we don't all recognize MJ as the #1 high supreme god of music. This is, after all, a site.
[This message was edited Sat Aug 21 11:57:07 2004 by VoicesCarry]

VoicesCarry said:

That's why some people come to discuss it. That was the purpose of the discussion: Who do you think is overrated?

Some argumented MJ was overrated, others Elvis Presley or Madonna. Its just a forum of discussion. Nothing else!

speeddemon said:

Yup, indeed, but they still managed to turn it into an MJ-only discussion. Amazing how that happens.

VoicesCarry said:

I never said I worshiped MJ, maybe I said Ima hardcore fan. some guys cant let it go when I say something positive. Most people here cant stand anything positive towards MJ. Same with madonna forums. you wont see that happening to p and mad fans in MJ boards. because, most of the guys at MJ forums are understanding...

You can test yourself. You are allowed to love Prince and Madonna more than MJ in mj boards.

LightOfArt said:

Again, you don't seem to get my point. Nothing wrong with loving MJ more than P (I love other artists more than P, myself), but the kind of positive commentary and unity you seem to unrealistically expect from this board is something you'd only find on an MJ board.

P.S. I know you can get banned for the dumbest reasons on an MJ board. Say something that the mods construe as even REMOTELY negative and they'll ban you, just like that. You can actually say negative shit about Prince here, and they don't care. You may get flamed, but you won't get banned. So I'm really suspicious about that "more tolerant" label you've applied to MJ fans.
[This message was edited Sat Aug 21 12:08:33 2004 by VoicesCarry]

LightOfArt said:

ROCK?! Are you kidding me?

jayaredee said:

u kno michael has and always will be the kop...if he doesn't tour again or release another album it wont matter cuz what he's achieved in his career noone else could even dream of. not even prince...michael raised the bar. thriller is an amazin album..the vids r spectacular and his tours are amazing. yea prince is hot BUT how many artists out there r following in his footsteps? how many people are releasing purple rains? how many people r doin that wierd around the world parade music? how many people r changin their name to a symbol or writing slave on their face? now how many r following in mjs? how many folks r dancin like him? trynna give shows like him? trynna do the next thriller? theres ur answer..i love them both to death and i'm not sayin that p is better than mj or that mj is better than p all i'm sayin is that michael earned his title and it can NEVER be takin away from him UNLESS someone comes out and beats thriller...which aint happenin so there u go!

VoicesCarry said:

well I don't know where you've been but you don't get banned unless you say he's a child molesters. you're alowed to critisize his music and say some artists are better than mj

than that's point. the difference between the mj forum you have been and this forums is, you get attacked if u call mj a molester in mj board and if you say something good about mj(or madoona in some cases, which turns into madonna thread too. for example the Usher thread last week) you get attacked here

what a stupid conversation