jayaredee said:

Excuse me but MJ is one of the most underrated artists of all times.
They bitch bitch the guy,his music,his appereance etc and even that is more than he deserves??
and he's one of the greatests at everything he does musically. Sad

LightOfArt said:

Thriller is one of the biggest albums of all time and won more Grammys than any other album. How is that underrated?

RipHer2Shreds said:

true...but this aint 1982 or whenever thriller came out this is 2004 and mj doesn't get his props like he supposed to..8 out of 10 times u'll hear people talkin about his appearance or the charges rather than his music.

LightOfArt said:

Im sorry, but that's my opinion. I own all MJ's cds and dvds but that does not stop the fact that he is way to overrated. If he didn't hold hands with Quincy on 3 of his solo albums he could forget being as successful as he is.
He released 2 albums in the 80s and was worshipped like a god around the world. Meanwhie there's people like Prince who does everything on his albums and releases a hell of a lot more and doesn't see the light of day MJ receives.
And though he's in court he still has a concert full of people standing outside the courtroom. Sounds overrated to me, sorry.

Moonwalkbjrain said:

Uh, well, yeah, I really can't see how you can blame them

Maybe he should get up off his ass and make some good music again. Invincible certainly wasn't the return to form we were all waiting for.

Anyway, everyone will have an opinion - just let them have theirs. Can we please not turn this thread into yet another goddamn MJ thread?

LightOfArt said:

JESUS IS UNDERRATED TOO. Just not popular ENOUGH, ya know.

jayaredee said:

Michael could do without Q atleast as good as he did with him. We've seen what he did without him(dangerous, history two of his most creative albums) Quincy is a producer and pretty much did nothting for mjwritten tracks which are his best work.Quincy's getting ALOT of credit from haters who wanna underestimate mj's unique talent as a songwriter and as a producer.

We disscussed many topics here. best songwriters,best singers,best dancers,best performers etc. and mike was always in there. and remember we're on prince.org(it wasnt only few mj fans giving him the credit he deserves)
but nobody talks about that. get out of the house and ask the first person you see in the street about mj. you'll hear nothing but hate.
So what if he has fans who want to show their support? he only has his family and fans behind him. these are you own words.

Moonwalkbjrain said:

Could that possibly be because his music has gone downhill in quality since then?

Public Enemy
Whitney Houston
Mariah Carey
Bruce Springsteen
Barry White
R. Kelly
Jay-Z
Nas
Puff Daddy
Eminem
Run DMC
Travis
Coldplay
Keane
Christina Aguilera
Rod Stewart
Justin Timberlake
Digital Underground
50Cent
Outkast
Madonna
Snorah Jones

no.imo his albums kept gettin better, until invincible came out.

whatfuckineva. my list:

jlo
britney
justin
usher
j.simpson
it just goes on and on...

LightOfArt said:

What happened after he ditched Quincy? He went downhill. Dangerous sold nothing like its preceders, HIStory went to hell and Invincible was fed to Satan.

Michael hasn't released anything special since Dangerous IMO and thats been 13 years ago and today stars like Beyonce, Missy and all them are practically worshipping MJ as if he's the reason they exist. And for 3 albums he did, THREE! Recently MJ has been rehashing old material, and releases the "Number Ones" special on dvd
Even Janet has released more studio albums than Mike.
And even though he's critisized all the time recently because of his affairs with children (which is own fault) he is still hailed as the one who invented pop music. "thriller" was a great album but it's not the reason pop music exists. And people have pasted that "King of Pop" title to him when he hasn't released anything decent in a long time, so he doesn't deserve that title.

IMO Prince should be the King of Pop.

NWF said:

But they did change rock 'n' roll forever. Because of them, heavy metal was never the same. And lame grunge bands were suddenly being signed and having AOR hits. (Remember Candlebox?) I consider that making a major impact.

I don't think Nirvana is as overrated as much as just misunderstood about why they were so popular. It's not because Kurt Cobain was some kind of amazing guitarist (because he wasn't), his strength was his songwriting and his pop sensibility. Listen to Hole's 'Live Through This' that he ghost wrote and it's obvious that the man had a lot of talent.

sextonseven said:

VoicesCarry said:

Nirvana killed hair-metal. You have to take the good with the bad.

sextonseven said:

I think hair metal would have died soon enough without Nirvana's help. If it's not one new fad, it's another.
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bds70 said:

If anything, John Mayer is underrated. Or, at least, under-respected and misunderstood.

I saw him live a few months ago, and there is nothing on either one of his CDs (although I do like them very much) that prepares you for what a talented guitarist/musician he is. It was one of the best concerts I've been to.

And the trashing of Norah Jones has got to stop I saw her perform last week as well -- and besides being absolutely gorgeous, her voice literally gave me chills. She had a sweet, humble, yet extremely sexy presence about her. Her band was also better than I had anticipated.

I believe there is a difference between personally not liking someone's music and referring to them as overrated.

To me, there are a number of artists whose talent does not come close to their level of popularity. The charts are filled with them:

Britney Spears
50 Cent
Jennifer Lopez
Linkin Park
Just about any artist whose latest song includes the phrase "Featuring..."

Overrated, though, I would define as someone who is largely perceived to be more talented than they actually are.

For examples, see:

Eminem
Usher
Madonna
Michael Jackson
And, although I think Nirvana was a great band, the deifying of Kurt Cobain has gotten ridiculous

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jayaredee said:

Dangerous sold few more millions than Bad, And HIStory is the biggest selling double album ever.

and by the way Michael imo is THE on and only King Of Popular Music.Because he's extremely talented at everything he does musically. unlike many, he's one of the best musicians and also one of the best performer. which is rare, coz we got great songwriters,singers,dancers,performers etc but michael, one man, is amazing at all of them

since when quantity(album sales, and number of albums he released) is what matters?

well, anyways you can think whatever you want.
[This message was edited Sat Aug 21 0:45:51 2004 by LightOfArt]

I only wanted to say that íf ANYONE ever realeases album more succesful than Thriller, it will ba a miracle! Thriller raised the bar so high that it´s almost imposible to top it even for MJ! Still to this day NOONE has even got close to the succes of Thriller and MJ´s not a god. He´s human being. There´s no way that he could climb higher and higher after Thriller. That´s impossible! Give me name of one single person, who has made a world record and kept pushing that record further and further with every effort?
The succes of Bad, Dangerous and History was still HUGE and proved that the succes of Thriller was not an incident! That the man HAD and still has something! You know there are alot of one-hit wonders, but that has never been MJ´s case.

Thriller was back than revolutionary and special at that time - for the dancing, videos and everything. What kind of revolution do you want to do today???


[/quote]Meanwhie there's people like Prince who does everything on his albums and releases a hell of a lot more and doesn't see the light of day MJ receives.
[quote]
I agree with this, Prince deserves much more attention, but Prince´s succes has nothing to do with MJ´s.

LightOfArt said:

Here's where u went wrong:

LightOfArt said:

dag said:

Meanwhie there's people like Prince who does everything on his albums and releases a hell of a lot more and doesn't see the light of day MJ receives.


i agree with you, I think MJ is one of the most underrated artist for he certainly, in the last 25 years, set the blueprint for today's pop cullture (he crafted modern pop music, invented the MTV era, broke racial barriers, raised the bar for everyone) but the media seems to be still more interested in trivial things.

Overrated: what about Elvis Presley?

JulesWindu said:

Wow, that about sums it up for me as well.

LightOfArt said:

I thought Bad sold way more than Dangerous but i guess not, sorry. And HIStory whould've really blew if he had not put the Greatest Hits on top of it.
HIStory was not a good album, it didn't flow and most of it is based on MJ's controversey. For example D.S- the whole song is Tom Sneddon is a cold man. That's not the same person we crowned the King of Pop.
And if he was the true King of Pop then he would actually release something new and stop rehashing old stuff everyone has. And what's coming up next? MJ's boxset. yay

MJ is a great performer, i agree. Too bad he hasn't toured for 9 years to prove he still has it in him. And don't tell me because he said he doesn't like to tour. 2Bad MJ cause you won't keep your "King of Pop" title for long with that kind of attitude.
That's why i admire Madonna. Though MJ is like 1000 times more talented than her, she never took a vacation from her job, and kept releasing albums and touring.

speeddemon said:[quote]

dag said:

MJ did begin the MTV era but people like Madonna certainly had a hand moving that forward.
Prince and Madonna also helped set the blueprint for pop culture but it seems MJ is getting all the credit for it.

And please, don't mention Elvis. Elvis revolutionized more than MJ ever did and MJ wouldn't have been as successful or recognized had it not been for Elvis. Elvis was a big influence on the Beatles, Beach Boys, Turtles and all other rock groups.

Who has MJ influenced- Beyonce and Justin Timberlake?

jayaredee said:[quote]

speeddemon said:

please correct me if I'm wrong, did you just say Elvis influenced The Beatles???



how come??


do you know what rock bands of today like evanescence, alien ant farm,busted etc think of MJ?

and btw pesonally I think HIStory is MJ's greatest album(i'm talking about disc2)
[This message was edited Sat Aug 21 5:26:49 2004 by LightOfArt]

jayaredee said:

True. But Madonna hasn't been performing since she was a kid.

jayaredee said:

Dangerous has sold close to 30m. History almost 20m and Invincible almost 10m.

Okay, so that's a drop off in sales. But if 10m sales is a flop then I'll have twenty of those, please. Also, Invincible had almost zero promotion so it did quite well, in my opinion. No.1 in fifteen countries is still pretty impressive.

LightOfArt said:[quote]

jayaredee said:

Don't deny it. Elvis was a major influence on The Beatles. Both Paul and John have said so.

LightOfArt said:

WildStyle said:

u kiddin. did they explain why?


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[This message was edited Sat Aug 21 5:41:01 2004 by LightOfArt]

LightOfArt said:

It's called Rock & Roll.

Michael Jackson seems to take over a lot of threads on this board and its the same people peddling the same of old shite, either positive or negative.

Its getting boring