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Reply #30 posted 08/17/04 8:18am

namepeace

vainandy said:


As for funk being in the mainstream, it dominated R&B radio in the early 1980s.


True, but few funk tracks crossed over onto the pop charts, which is the context in which I used the word "mainstream."
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Reply #31 posted 08/17/04 7:22pm

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namepeace said:

vainandy said:


As for funk being in the mainstream, it dominated R&B radio in the early 1980s.


True, but few funk tracks crossed over onto the pop charts, which is the context in which I used the word "mainstream."


I agree. To tell the truth, I'm glad they hardly ever crossed over to the pop charts because that when that happens, a lot of the time, the artists gets money hungry and waters his/her stuff down on the next album trying to go for that crossover success again. That went on a lot in the late 1980s and true funk became very rare.
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Reply #32 posted 08/17/04 8:14pm

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In addition to that i think the turning point for the last golden era in hip hop ( 93' - 95')
Was Nas - it was Written LP. After arguably the Grestest Hip Hop LP of the 90's Illmatic; Nas kinda fliped his style to the Materialistic garbage to follow. DOn't get me wrong I'm a huge Nas fan But this Lp started it for me. Thankfuly he redeemed him self since.


















.....Oh, wait, I'm sorry. It already has killed Hip-Hop.[/quote]
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Reply #33 posted 08/18/04 1:32pm

namepeace

Soulchild82 said:

the last golden era in hip hop ( 93' - 95')


I agree. It Was Written was a good album. Did that drop in '95? I could have sworn it was '96.

And I wholeheartedly agree with you that 1993-95 was the last "golden age" of hip-hop (I've posted 2 threads that '94 was the single greatest year in hip-hop history), and I would extend it into '96. At that time, hip-hop had a variety of acts that diversified the scene.

Here are some of the other albums I think that make that era one of the defining eras of hip-hop:

Wu-Tang Clan, Enter the 36 Chambers (1993)

De La Soul, Buhloone Mindstate (1993)

Dr. Dre, The Chronic (1993)

A Tribe Called Quest, Midnight Marauders (1993)

Black Moon, Enta Da Stage (1993)

Nas, Illmatic (1994)

Notorious B.I.G., Ready To Die (1994)

Digable Planets, Blowout Comb (1994)

Jeru The Damaja, The Sun Rises in the East (1994)

The Beatnuts, The Beatnuts (1994)

Common Sense, Resurrection (1994)

Gang Starr, Hard to Earn (1994)

Redman, Dare Iz A Darkside (1994)

Raekwon, Only Built 4 Cuban Linx (1995)

Mobb Deep, The Infamous (1995)

De La Soul, Stakes Is High (1996)

Jeru The Damaja, The Wrath of the Math (1996)

The Fugees, The Score (1996)
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Reply #34 posted 08/18/04 1:34pm

Cloudbuster

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sosgemini said:



lol
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Reply #35 posted 08/18/04 2:01pm

OdysseyMiles

namepeace said:

Soulchild82 said:

the last golden era in hip hop ( 93' - 95')


I agree. It Was Written was a good album. Did that drop in '95? I could have sworn it was '96.

And I wholeheartedly agree with you that 1993-95 was the last "golden age" of hip-hop (I've posted 2 threads that '94 was the single greatest year in hip-hop history), and I would extend it into '96. At that time, hip-hop had a variety of acts that diversified the scene.

Here are some of the other albums I think that make that era one of the defining eras of hip-hop:

Wu-Tang Clan, Enter the 36 Chambers (1993)

De La Soul, Buhloone Mindstate (1993)

Dr. Dre, The Chronic (1993)

A Tribe Called Quest, Midnight Marauders (1993)

Black Moon, Enta Da Stage (1993)

Nas, Illmatic (1994)

Notorious B.I.G., Ready To Die (1994)

Digable Planets, Blowout Comb (1994)

Jeru The Damaja, The Sun Rises in the East (1994)

The Beatnuts, The Beatnuts (1994)

Common Sense, Resurrection (1994)

Gang Starr, Hard to Earn (1994)

Redman, Dare Iz A Darkside (1994)

Raekwon, Only Built 4 Cuban Linx (1995)

Mobb Deep, The Infamous (1995)

De La Soul, Stakes Is High (1996)

Jeru The Damaja, The Wrath of the Math (1996)

The Fugees, The Score (1996)


That's a great list, bro. thumbs up!
The early to mid-90's were where my love and appreciation for true hip hop was in bloom.
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Reply #36 posted 08/18/04 2:05pm

JANFAN4L

namepeace said:

Soulchild82 said:

the last golden era in hip hop ( 93' - 95')


I agree. It Was Written was a good album. Did that drop in '95? I could have sworn it was '96.

And I wholeheartedly agree with you that 1993-95 was the last "golden age" of hip-hop (I've posted 2 threads that '94 was the single greatest year in hip-hop history), and I would extend it into '96. At that time, hip-hop had a variety of acts that diversified the scene.

Here are some of the other albums I think that make that era one of the defining eras of hip-hop:

Wu-Tang Clan, Enter the 36 Chambers (1993)

De La Soul, Buhloone Mindstate (1993)

Dr. Dre, The Chronic (1993)

A Tribe Called Quest, Midnight Marauders (1993)

Black Moon, Enta Da Stage (1993)

Nas, Illmatic (1994)

Notorious B.I.G., Ready To Die (1994)

Digable Planets, Blowout Comb (1994)

Jeru The Damaja, The Sun Rises in the East (1994)

The Beatnuts, The Beatnuts (1994)

Common Sense, Resurrection (1994)

Gang Starr, Hard to Earn (1994)

Redman, Dare Iz A Darkside (1994)

Raekwon, Only Built 4 Cuban Linx (1995)

Mobb Deep, The Infamous (1995)

De La Soul, Stakes Is High (1996)

Jeru The Damaja, The Wrath of the Math (1996)

The Fugees, The Score (1996)


Wow. My brother owns every one of those albums. Great list, BTW. My favorites from that era that aren't on the list are

Queen Latifah, Black Reign (1993)

Grand Puba, 2000 (1995)

Lost Boyz, Legal Drug Money (1996)

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Reply #37 posted 08/18/04 2:05pm

namepeace

OdysseyMiles said:

namepeace said:



I agree. It Was Written was a good album. Did that drop in '95? I could have sworn it was '96.

And I wholeheartedly agree with you that 1993-95 was the last "golden age" of hip-hop (I've posted 2 threads that '94 was the single greatest year in hip-hop history), and I would extend it into '96. At that time, hip-hop had a variety of acts that diversified the scene.

Here are some of the other albums I think that make that era one of the defining eras of hip-hop:

Wu-Tang Clan, Enter the 36 Chambers (1993)

De La Soul, Buhloone Mindstate (1993)

Dr. Dre, The Chronic (1993)

A Tribe Called Quest, Midnight Marauders (1993)

Black Moon, Enta Da Stage (1993)

Nas, Illmatic (1994)

Notorious B.I.G., Ready To Die (1994)

Digable Planets, Blowout Comb (1994)

Jeru The Damaja, The Sun Rises in the East (1994)

The Beatnuts, The Beatnuts (1994)

Common Sense, Resurrection (1994)

Gang Starr, Hard to Earn (1994)

Redman, Dare Iz A Darkside (1994)

Raekwon, Only Built 4 Cuban Linx (1995)

Mobb Deep, The Infamous (1995)

De La Soul, Stakes Is High (1996)

Jeru The Damaja, The Wrath of the Math (1996)

The Fugees, The Score (1996)


That's a great list, bro. thumbs up!
The early to mid-90's were where my love and appreciation for true hip hop was in bloom.


Thanks!

I grew up with hip-hop but appreciated it as an art form as soon as I hit college. Then in the early/mid-90's it kind of bloomed. After that, it started to go bust!
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Reply #38 posted 08/18/04 3:27pm

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namepeace said:

Soulchild82 said:

the last golden era in hip hop ( 93' - 95')


I agree. It Was Written was a good album. Did that drop in '95? I could have sworn it was '96.

And I wholeheartedly agree with you that 1993-95 was the last "golden age" of hip-hop (I've posted 2 threads that '94 was the single greatest year in hip-hop history), and I would extend it into '96. At that time, hip-hop had a variety of acts that diversified the scene.

Here are some of the other albums I think that make that era one of the defining eras of hip-hop:

Wu-Tang Clan, Enter the 36 Chambers (1993)

De La Soul, Buhloone Mindstate (1993)

Dr. Dre, The Chronic (1993)

A Tribe Called Quest, Midnight Marauders (1993)

Black Moon, Enta Da Stage (1993)

Nas, Illmatic (1994)

Notorious B.I.G., Ready To Die (1994)

Digable Planets, Blowout Comb (1994)

Jeru The Damaja, The Sun Rises in the East (1994)

The Beatnuts, The Beatnuts (1994)

Common Sense, Resurrection (1994)

Gang Starr, Hard to Earn (1994)

Redman, Dare Iz A Darkside (1994)

Raekwon, Only Built 4 Cuban Linx (1995)

Mobb Deep, The Infamous (1995)

De La Soul, Stakes Is High (1996)

Jeru The Damaja, The Wrath of the Math (1996)

The Fugees, The Score (1996)



I noticed one thing missing from that list:

Pete Rock and CL Smooth - THe Main Ingredient
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Reply #39 posted 08/18/04 9:43pm

namepeace

Soulchild82 said:




I noticed one thing missing from that list:

Pete Rock and CL Smooth - THe Main Ingredient


Hot durnit if you ain't right. PR and CL's followup to Mecca and the Soul Brother did not disaappoint.

The title track is OUT THE FRAME!!!!

But my failure to include it was was a sin of omission, not commission. Further evidence that 1994 was the greatest single year in hip-hop history.
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Reply #40 posted 08/23/04 1:09pm

okaypimpn

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AnckSuNamun said:

I don't know who'll be the death of it...but this song is pretty bad and should make you wanna run for cover. Franchize-"White Tee"... a song about white T-shirts. falloff

Yea in my white tee [x12]

[Hook x2]
I slang in my white tee
I bang in my white tee
All in the club spitting game in my white tee
I bling in my white tee sver things in my white tee
Fuck a throwback i look clean in my white tee

[Verse 1]

Step on the scene with some green and some hard white work
Real clean fresh jeans and a all white shirt
We all get money and we all smoke twerk
Hit the dirt one squirt will leave all yall murk
Cause im fresh in my white tee they glance at my white tee and i
Got the hat that match my pants and my white tee
Whoever that you might see
I know they got a white tee
Uncle brother sister mother dad or ur wifey
Hanes or fruit of the loom be the
Name of my white tee
I gotta change man its a stain on my white tee
Lames in a white tee i bring the pain in my white tee
Hispanic cracka nigga ever yangs wearin white tee
Hit the club deep and we all got a white tee
A throw back no that hell naw it dont excite me
You dont need no throwback cause you will be sat on your white
Tee you can get a circle or a v neck on ur white tee

[Hook x2]

[Verse 2]

I hit the mall in my white tee
Ooh I think they like me or they like the diamonds cause they shine so brightly
Yeah u know i how i be under my tee it the wifey
.... or tighly
For them niggas who think im soft nigga come and try me
They going to find your body
White tees in the club and while we drinking on bacardi
Fuck throwbacks white tees in party
Now dont get me started gotta try bacardi
Drama we avoid it
Everyone one wear white tees cause they can afford it
Girls wear white tees boys wear white tees
Niggas in the trap now i bet they got a white tee
I wear a white tee, you wear a white tee
The next day catch me with a brand new white tee
Oh they buy clean white shoes fresh jeans
But on that boy shirt what it say not a thingg

[Hook x2]

I gotta couple throwbacks it just I choose not to wear them
White tee extravganza nigga like a foot locker sale
Niggas think i done fail but my paper stacking a lot
Or you can throw back this but
Partner check my nine
And im a ghetto gangsta white tee laws gone hate ya
Street gangs with a little fame them hoes gonna chase ya
Can't exscape from this white shit it done covered the map
Like crack been her in the 80s and it took over the trap
Come to the hood you can find me trapping in my white tee
Standing with a full grill niggas might try me know how i be still in my white tee
Rock jeans tiger green yeah girls like me
Haters try to bite me
Some try to dislike me
Became a rich nigga and the feds try to indicte me

Yea in my white tee [x12]


omg How did you find lyrics for this song?
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Reply #41 posted 08/23/04 7:44pm

theAudience

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namepeace said:

Here are some of the other albums I think that make that era one of the defining eras of hip-hop:


Thanks for this list.

There are 2 genres of music that I initially avoided like the plague. One was disco and the other was rap.
The reason being at the time, as a musician, they had an adverse affect on my ability to work.
I can't tell you how many clubs replaced live musicians with 2 turntables and a microphone.

However this left a bit of a hole in my knowledge of the history of these genres (particularly rap/hip-hop).
Some of these i've heard and some I haven't. The artists I found myself attracted to were ones that in my mind weren't stereotypical of the genre (De La Soul, A Tribe Called Quest, etc) but were more creative in their choice of subject matter and had an intelligent sense of humor. Or flat out lampooned the idiom periodically (Digital Underground).

Your list helps separate the wheat from the chaff regarding this time period in hip-hop.

Much appreciated.


tA

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Reply #42 posted 08/23/04 7:59pm

psykosoul

theAudience said:

The artists I found myself attracted to were ones that in my mind weren't stereotypical of the genre (De La Soul, A Tribe Called Quest, etc) but were more creative in their choice of subject matter and had an intelligent sense of humor. Or flat out lampooned the idiom periodically (Digital Underground).


worship Native Tongues worship
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Reply #43 posted 08/23/04 8:01pm

heybaby

namepeace said:

Hip-hop hasn't really died. There are many artists out there with no airplay and no videos that still generate creative product. De La Soul, Talib Kweli, JayLib, MF Doom and Common come to mind. Not to mention OutKast. A Tribe Called Quest is reuniting.

I think the murderers of Tupac and Biggie derailed hip-hop. They have since had hundreds of would-be imitators whose lyrics and videos remind me of a modern day minstrel show. Hip-hop's image is that of a mindless, soulless, illiterate, materialistic mess. It's been co-opted by radio, R&B, cinema and the media vanguard. KRS-ONE and Chuck D must be beside themselves.

The tide is starting to turn slowly, but we've come full circle again. Hip-hop went from fad to art form to fad, a vehicle to sell records, sports gear and other product. Hopefully, the image will become passe and the music will thrive on the underground scene.

hip hop aint goin nowhere its too many people that still love the real shit. i still have hope. out of my three boys my youngest who's 4 likes the new stuff but he down with outkast, the roots, ll cool j, common, talib kweli, and i didn't know he knew some redman and methetc.( even when he hears their tracks without the music he knows who they are) at first i thought he just liked what i played but often times he tells me what he wants to hear or not hear when i play my cds. and yes he knows prince. and this is no joke he even makes his own beats that he hums to me ( i'm not trying to bore you guys with kiddie stories so i'll stop)so i got hope cause it's in people.
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Reply #44 posted 08/23/04 9:12pm

SammiJ

chingy, nelly, all them down south ppl like lil jon who have the SAME DAMN BEAT TO EVERY DAMN SONG.....gosh there are so many...but those ppl really did it for me
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Reply #45 posted 08/23/04 9:24pm

Janfriend

Ma$e
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Reply #46 posted 08/23/04 9:52pm

Moonwalkbjrain

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Janfriend said:

Ma$e



BINGO!! welcome back kotter ( think thats what that sho was called) is n no way shape or form hip hop...mase need to stay his ass in the church nstead of jumpin on the money train that is hip hop/rap wit that piece of shit song.
Yesterday is dead...tomorrow hasnt arrived yet....i have just ONE day...
...And i'm gonna be groovy in it!
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Reply #47 posted 08/23/04 9:54pm

Janfriend

Moonwalkbjrain said:

Janfriend said:

Ma$e



BINGO!! welcome back kotter ( think thats what that sho was called) is n no way shape or form hip hop...mase need to stay his ass in the church nstead of jumpin on the money train that is hip hop/rap wit that piece of shit song.


He needs to learn how to speak
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Reply #48 posted 08/23/04 9:58pm

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Janfriend said:

Moonwalkbjrain said:




BINGO!! welcome back kotter ( think thats what that sho was called) is n no way shape or form hip hop...mase need to stay his ass in the church nstead of jumpin on the money train that is hip hop/rap wit that piece of shit song.


He needs you learn how to speak


exscuse me?
Yesterday is dead...tomorrow hasnt arrived yet....i have just ONE day...
...And i'm gonna be groovy in it!
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Reply #49 posted 08/23/04 10:01pm

Janfriend

Moonwalkbjrain said:

Janfriend said:



He needs you learn how to speak


exscuse me?


oops redface can't spell right now. I edited it. Sorry
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Reply #50 posted 08/23/04 10:28pm

Moonwalkbjrain

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Janfriend said:

Moonwalkbjrain said:



exscuse me?


oops redface can't spell right now. I edited it. Sorry


lol ok its all goody good. biggrin
Yesterday is dead...tomorrow hasnt arrived yet....i have just ONE day...
...And i'm gonna be groovy in it!
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Reply #51 posted 08/24/04 12:10am

4HisGlory

Moonwalkbjrain said:

Janfriend said:

Ma$e



BINGO!! welcome back kotter ( think thats what that sho was called) is n no way shape or form hip hop...mase need to stay his ass in the church nstead of jumpin on the money train that is hip hop/rap wit that piece of shit song.


nod

I can't STAND his slooooow ass! How the hell can he try to rap thats way faster than he can talk? Have you ever seen this fool do an interview? lol
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Reply #52 posted 08/25/04 9:38pm

heybaby

Soulchild82 said:

namepeace said:



I agree. It Was Written was a good album. Did that drop in '95? I could have sworn it was '96.

And I wholeheartedly agree with you that 1993-95 was the last "golden age" of hip-hop (I've posted 2 threads that '94 was the single greatest year in hip-hop history), and I would extend it into '96. At that time, hip-hop had a variety of acts that diversified the scene.

Here are some of the other albums I think that make that era one of the defining eras of hip-hop:

Wu-Tang Clan, Enter the 36 Chambers (1993)

De La Soul, Buhloone Mindstate (1993)

Dr. Dre, The Chronic (1993)

A Tribe Called Quest, Midnight Marauders (1993)

Black Moon, Enta Da Stage (1993)

Nas, Illmatic (1994)

Notorious B.I.G., Ready To Die (1994)

Digable Planets, Blowout Comb (1994)

Jeru The Damaja, The Sun Rises in the East (1994)

The Beatnuts, The Beatnuts (1994)

Common Sense, Resurrection (1994)

Gang Starr, Hard to Earn (1994)

Redman, Dare Iz A Darkside (1994)

Raekwon, Only Built 4 Cuban Linx (1995)

Mobb Deep, The Infamous (1995)

De La Soul, Stakes Is High (1996)

Jeru The Damaja, The Wrath of the Math (1996)

The Fugees, The Score (1996)



I noticed one thing missing from that list:

Pete Rock and CL Smooth - THe Main Ingredient




this is a good list, it looks like i'm gonna have to jack my brother
cool but what about the roots "things fall apart"? sorry i don't know the exact year but i would think
it was made around this time.
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Reply #53 posted 08/25/04 10:00pm

love2thenines

maybe its me, but did ya'll forget

Public Enemy
It takes a nation of millions to hold us back
Fear of a black planet
Apocalyspe

maybe its me !
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Reply #54 posted 08/26/04 6:03am

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death of hip hop: Lil John, Franchise Boyz, Yin Yang Twins, etc.
"Pedro offers you his protection."
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Reply #55 posted 08/26/04 7:19am

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mochalox said:

death of hip hop: Lil John, Franchise Boyz, Yin Yang Twins, etc.


"YEP! In my white-tee.
YEP! In my white-tee."


falloff
That's some ignant s#!t.
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