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PrintableJANFAN4L said: VoicesCarry said: Oh, yes, I think we can. I'm 19, and I thought most modern music was shit when I was 15. The majority of kids today, thanks to corporate radio and MTV, are basically not exposed to good music. Shit is all they know, therefore they believe it's good due to lack of alternative. You said yourself in another thread that you absolutely hate it when some dumb teenager has absolutely no idea that a cover version is actually a cover version ("this is like, so awesome and original") and that the "artists" they respect do nothing but sample and mime. Well, that's ignorance, not a "different" taste. Because the bottom line is, no one, given a good alternative, chooses to listen to Hilary Duff. [This message was edited Sun Aug 15 15:46:41 2004 by VoicesCarry] In your response, you conflated "popular music" with "modern music." What's classified as "modern music" may not always be popular or mainstream. We've all heard of the terms "indie," "underground" and "alternative" -- each is vibrant. MTV may not be playing it, but it's out there. Just because we haven't heard it doesn't mean it's nonexistent or most music today is "sh*t." The question was, "Do you think that music has gone downhill since the '80s?" My answer: no, it hasn't. I think we have a lot of ethnocentrism in here when it comes to music. I don't know if that's a reflection of peoples' ages, myopia or ignorance. We have Hilary Duff today. True. Hello, the '80s had Tiffany, Debbie Gibson, twenty-zillion hair bands, and countless other vapid acts (are we forgetting this people?). If you wanted to take it back even further, the '70s had Sean Cassidy, Leif Garrett, Tigerbeat acts, arena rock, etc. Each generation has its share of trite music and that will always be with us. Music, in general, has not gone downhill. There are countless artists out there making valid music. The trouble for most is finding it. If you think the only music out there is Usher, Jessica Simpson and the Ying Yang Twins, then that's just a reflection of one's own consumer laziness. If one's musical outlook is dictated by Viacom, Clear Channel and the like -- and they're too lazy to go find the music themselves -- that's their problem. It's not a reflection of music as a whole, just the consumer. Now, if you wanted to talk about the hypercorporatization of popular music and youth culture, then, yes, it has effected consumers' *commercial* options, but that's a separate beast itself. If someone is really into music (and, yes, kids, there's music outside of what's blasting on MTV everyday -- we should be smart enough to know that), they'll explore other things and turn MTV off. The real question should be, "Do you think that music has gone downhill since MTV came out?" All of our answers will be dramatically different. [This message was edited Mon Aug 16 1:34:03 2004 by JANFAN4L] I cleared this up in a later post. Read it again: "Oh, and I just want to clear 1 thing up: some music today is still good, you just have to seek it out. psychodelicide made a very cogent point: "The 80's was a decade where you could turn on your radio and always hear a great song playing. It doesn't seem to be that way as much anymore. Kind of makes me wonder what happened to all the great songwriters who penned those great 80's songs." There ain't nothing but shit on the radio, as Nelly Furtado would say." At least pop music was great in the 80s. It sure isn't now. I think that's more what psychodelicide was getting at, however: What was popular was actually good, to a certain extent. You also ignored the fact that the good pretty much outweighed the bad, especially in the early 80's. Even a teen fluff act like Debbie Gibson actually wrote and produced her own music, and it was often pretty catchy stuff. I bet you can actually remember a few bars/lyrics/songs here and there. Novelty acts like Tiffany generally only lasted one album (well the labels tried but people regurgitated her second), but now acts like that are the foundation of major label rosters, and they're actually sticking around! They're now being called "artists" with "talent" (which just proves you can sell anything if you give it a designer label)! Something's wrong there. Most people don't really have the time to sit down and research artists for a few hours a week (it just isn't practical) - the radio was and remains the main method of transmitting your art to the masses. I completely disagree with you when you remark that "If one's musical outlook is dictated by Viacom, Clear Channel and the like -- and they're too lazy to go find the music themselves -- that's their problem. It's not a reflection of music as a whole, just the consumer." Sorry, but I can't blame consumers (who, actually, are purchasing less and less mass market crap, much to the chagrin of the industry); I blame labels and several important practices they've completely excised from their business practices: -actually sticking with and nurturing an artist beyond the first album -promoting TALENT over T&A -resisting corporate radio and so on.... It's this "make a quick buck and fuck everyone else" corporate mentality that's ruining pop music. What's really telling is that there are no true pop stars making great music anymore. When Madonna, Prince, Michael, Janet, and everyone else we knew and loved are gone, who are they gonna be replaced by? Avril and Hilary? God forbid. But then, it's not like they'll be around anyway. Blame MTV if you like, but talented people have made wonderful videos (the best videos, in fact) - it's just another art form, and if the labels chose to produce and promote a Me'shell video, they could. But they don't. And therein lies the conundrum. The one unfortunate thing MTV did was make it virtually impossible for an upstart label with 0 funding to promote a new artist on television. [This message was edited Tue Aug 17 19:37:19 2004 by VoicesCarry] | |
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NWF said: Supernova said: If saying that you've lost perspective with one of your all encompassing comments is arrogant and "taking it to that level" when you asked for opinions, that just reinforces being overly sensitive about the whole thing. Taking all this so seriously isn't good for your health. But, have at it if you must... ~ [This message was edited Sun Aug 15 21:01:07 2004 by Supernova]  48 hours after NEITHER one of us even made a post in this thread and you post this. I see you workin it.  This post not for the wimp contingent. All whiny wusses avert your eyes. | |
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andyman91 said: I didn't like music in the 80's. It was too pop & plastic, just like the 2000's. We've gone back to that pop star thing. The pop stars (Prince, Michael, Madonna) might have been a bit better then (Britney, Justin, but then there's Beyonce & Christina who at least have some talent. And nobody really thought of Madonna as talented back then, just fashionable).
I think the 90's were better for music. Rock music made a comeback, and hip hop was much more interesting.  | |
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psychodelicide said: Do You Think That Music Has Gone Downhill Since the 80's?
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andyman91 said: I didn't like music in the 80's. It was too pop & plastic, just like the 2000's. We've gone back to that pop star thing. The pop stars (Prince, Michael, Madonna) might have been a bit better then (Britney, Justin, but then there's Beyonce & Christina who at least have some talent. And nobody really thought of Madonna as talented back then, just fashionable).
I think the 90's were better for music. Rock music made a comeback, and hip hop was much more interesting. uhh no Rock music died in the 90's when Nirvana killed it and you say Prince, Michael & Madonna are BIT better than Britney & Justin..A BIT???  Check it out ...Shiny Toy Guns R gonna blowup VERY soon and bring melody back to music..you heard it here 1st! http://www.myspacecomment...theone.mp3 | |
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ThreadCula said: YES! I have been saying this since 1992
Music was great in the 80's New music was always coming out and it was actually good...the videos sucked but that didnt matter The right people always won the award not the most popular and back then I didnt have to wait to see if the next single would be better b4 I bought the whole album...I knew the album would be good | |
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Supernova said: NWF said: 48 hours after NEITHER one of us even made a post in this thread and you post this. I see you workin it. NEW WAVE FOREVER: PREDICT THE UNPREDICTABLE NEW WAVE FOREVER: SLAVE TO THE WAVE FROM THE CRADLE TO THE GRAVE. | |
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