psychodelicide said:

i think i found my music soulmate

I wasn't alive in the '80s. Pity me. Okay, compare Hilary Duff to Prince and then you'll have your answer.

LRCorvette said:

Yeah, that about sums it up.

psychodelicide said:

Oh please. Another one being overly sensitive.

No, not being overly sensitive. You didn't see me criticizing your opinion did you? No, I did not. All I am asking is for you to respect my opinion, the same way I respected yours. That's not asking too much.

Mazerati said:

I will, thanks.

Mazerati said:

psychodelicide said:

And all I did was comment on your opinion - the same thing you're doing with everyone else's that you asked for. Be careful what you ask for, you just may get it. It can either end with that, or you can continue being overly sensitive about it...

Supernova said:

Yes, I DID ask for people's opinion, BUT that does not justify you posting comments like, " All sense of perspective was lost for that one. " That was being a bit arrogant, it has NOTHING to do with being "overly sensitive". There is a way of expressing your opinion, without taking it to that level. That's all I'm going to say on this, since this thread was meant to be a PLEASANT discussion.

psychodelicide said:

If saying that you've lost perspective with one of your all encompassing comments is arrogant and "taking it to that level" when you asked for opinions, that just reinforces being overly sensitive about the whole thing. Taking all this so seriously isn't good for your health. But, have at it if you must...

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[This message was edited Sun Aug 15 21:01:07 2004 by Supernova]

Supernova, please do us all a favor and .
[This message was edited Sun Aug 15 21:04:36 2004 by psychodelicide]

psychodelicide said:

Nothing like listening to Prince, Madonna, Erythmics, Duran Duran, OMD, Rick James, Teena Marie, Cool and the Gang on the radio. In the 80's, Musician took more pride in the music they released. These days, radio is crap.

psychodelicide said:

Will do, just leave me out of the rest.

You got yourself a deal.
[This message was edited Sun Aug 15 21:10:47 2004 by psychodelicide]

I'll get the popcorn.....

This might be a bold statement to make and I'm sure that many people will disagree with me,but I think that music began to go downhill after 1984.Don't get me wrong,there is some great music that came out after that,but for the most part,it just wasn't as good.The late-80s was the time when hip-hop began it's takeover,funk bands were being ignored,drum machines and synthesizers replaced horns,etc.There are many late-80s songs/albums that I can barely stand to listen to these days,because that kind of music doesn't age well.These days,I primarily listen to music from the 70s,which was a magical time for music.

VoicesCarry said:

In your response, you conflated "popular music" with "modern music." What's classified as "modern music" may not always be popular or mainstream. We've all heard of the terms "indie," "underground" and "alternative" -- each is vibrant. MTV may not be playing it, but it's out there. Just because we haven't heard it doesn't mean it's nonexistent or most music today is "sh*t."

The question was, "Do you think that music has gone downhill since the '80s?" My answer: no, it hasn't. I think we have a lot of ethnocentrism in here when it comes to music. I don't know if that's a reflection of peoples' ages, myopia or ignorance. We have Hilary Duff today. True. Hello, the '80s had Tiffany, Debbie Gibson, twenty-zillion hair bands, and countless other vapid acts (are we forgetting this people?). If you wanted to take it back even further, the '70s had Sean Cassidy, Leif Garrett, Tigerbeat acts, arena rock, etc. Each generation has its share of trite music and that will always be with us.

Music, in general, has not gone downhill. There are countless artists out there making valid music. The trouble for most is finding it. If you think the only music out there is Usher, Jessica Simpson and the Ying Yang Twins, then that's just a reflection of one's own consumer laziness. If one's musical outlook is dictated by Viacom, Clear Channel and the like -- and they're too lazy to go find the music themselves -- that's their problem. It's not a reflection of music as a whole, just the consumer. Now, if you wanted to talk about the hypercorporatization of popular music and youth culture, then, yes, it has effected consumers' *commercial* options, but that's a separate beast itself.

If someone is really into music (and, yes, kids, there's music outside of what's blasting on MTV everyday -- we should be smart enough to know that), they'll explore other things and turn MTV off.

The real question should be, "Do you think that music has gone downhill since MTV came out?" All of our answers will be dramatically different.
[This message was edited Mon Aug 16 1:34:03 2004 by JANFAN4L]

When MTV hit it cemented the future for music-corporate run playlists that leave little room for artistic expression.

Of course it's hurt music-as the Debbie Gibson's, Tiffany's and New Kids On the Block's sold more albums then-it paved the way for the crap we were force fed in the 90's and on. The sad thing is, many of us sealed our own fate by buying that stuff back then or having friends or family that was listening to whichever easily marketable teen sensation in the 80's and now complain about the current state of music. Music has always been circular. The same crap will come around again, and thankfully there's a rebirth in music that is worth a second and third listen.

Something I love about music now is you really do find a band that's yours if they're not all over the radio and mtv, it makes it that much more of a personal thing than ever before simply because it hasn't been overplayed ad nauseum. Finding an underground band now is even more important because when we choose not to download we can give our hard earned cash to bands that we feel have a voice and a real passion for music as art instead of easily disposing it into something that's been recycled.

My main hope now is with bands citing influences from the 60's and 70's and musical tastes getting challenged and widened is that young fans that aren't aware of the spectrum of artists and music that's influenced their favorite artists pick up an interview and read someone name checked-and go out and buy some albums they wouldn't normally purchase.

The best way to keep our favorite music alive and prominent in the mind's of the current music scene is to not only appreciate it as we do but to musically educated to help name check the artists that inspired the current batch and hope that when a younger fan goes back and hears the real origins of great soul, blues, funk, metal or whatever genre it might be that it inspires them to make something better than what we have now.

It's all circular, and we can have an impact.

psychodelicide said:

it got better lawl

the 80s had alot of cheese.....synths,horrid horn solos(saxaphone ),funky looking videos.



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but really,i think its all about when you grew up/what time period you hold dear to your heart.

psychodelicide said:

thats basically what it is in a nutshell...shit was interestin in the 80's.

again lemme say damn u mamma for havin me so late!

k anyway..when u listen to 80's music or 80's stations no two records sound the same....and everybody wasn't talkin bout the same thing. if u turn on a station now...u can find @least 2 records if not more ( i wouldn't kno 100% cuz i don't do radio) that sound the same. and everyones talkin bout the same thing. fuckin. goin to jail. fuckin. shoot someone. fuckin. how much money they got. and more fucking.

Christopher said:

Exactly! You said succinctly, what I'm getting at. Music has not gone downhill. It depends on what you're into, what you like and when (and where) you grew up.






But on another issue, I still think a lot of kids up in here are Reganphiles.

subhuman09 said:

Well put!

I think music is better than it was in the 90s and about the same as the 80s.

I don't think it's the fault of artists or even record companies, that new talent isn't being pushed to the fore.

It's the public's fault.

I think the way that people listen to music is different than it was in the past. If you found a new band that you loved, you'd take their record to every party, make mix-tapes for all your friends and wear the band's t-shirt. I don't think there's that general feeling for new music anymore.

There are too many other distractions these days. Music has just become audible wallpaper to many people.

I totally agree with you about music starting to go downhill after 1984. I have noticed that myself also. I graduated high school in 1985 so the music from 1984 was the soundtrack to my senior year. I remember anticipating graduating and partying really hard. BOOM...immediately it started going downhill.

Funk bands had damned near become extinct in the late 1980s. The only ones I can remember still being around were Cameo, The Barkays, and Midnight Star, and none of their late 1980s stuff was near as strong as their early 1980s stuff. Everyone kept going solo and breaking up the bands. I remember Michael Cooper left Con-Funk-Shun and went solo. All his solo stuff was either ballads or midtempo.

As far as the synthesizers go, I always loved the way Prince had them in early 1980s. They were strong and funky. I did enjoy some of the new artists that came out in the late 1980s with the synth sound like Ready For The World, Krystol, Jody Watley, Madame X, and Egyptian Lover. Their synths and drum machines were strong sounding like Prince's, but a whole lot of other new artists in the late 1980s had synths and drum machines that just sounded watered down and weak. It's hard to explain, they just didn't sound as strong or near as funky as the early 1980s. I remember songs like Johnny Kemp's "Just Got Paid", Richie Rich's "I Wanna Be Rich", and Keith Sweat's "I Want Her". They just did not sound near as strong as the early 1980s stuff. They sounded watered down for crossover appeal. Whether or not they crossed over or not, they still sounded like they were recorded with the intention of crossing over.

Then the late 1980s brought out all the balladeers. People coming out with whole albums full of ballads and only one uptempo song, if any, on the album and it would be a watered down uptempo song. In the early 1980s, very few artists could hold their head above water if they sang strictly ballads.

Music in the late 1980s kept getting slower and slower as whole until the 1990s arrived and ballads practically dominated radio. House music became mainstream for a brief moment and speeded things up again but it soon went back underground because it all started to sound alike. Ballads dominated radio and hip hop filled in where anything else was. That's almost all there has been on the radio since around 1993 is ballads and midtempo hip hop. It's time to get jumping again...all that dead depressing stuff puts me to sleep.
[This message was edited Mon Aug 16 17:10:46 2004 by vainandy]

DavidEye said:

Daideye you know your shit the 70s, was the best decade for music imo, you had bands (real bands) like Earth wind & fire, the Isley Bros( they reach their creative peak in the 70s,) the Jackson five, boston & the eagles I could go on but I think I made my point.

lovedad43 said:

Precisely

Today's music just doesn't compare.

I didn't like music in the 80's. It was too pop & plastic, just like the 2000's. We've gone back to that pop star thing. The pop stars (Prince, Michael, Madonna) might have been a bit better then (Britney, Justin, but then there's Beyonce & Christina who at least have some talent. And nobody really thought of Madonna as talented back then, just fashionable).

I think the 90's were better for music. Rock music made a comeback, and hip hop was much more interesting.

Supernova said:

andyman91 said:

Shame on you.

NWF said:

No need to post that, the catfight is over.
[This message was edited Tue Aug 17 18:45:38 2004 by psychodelicide]