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This is exactly what Prince is talking about When he talks about live music as opposed to a bunch of computers in the future. When your performance depends on anything but live musicians - that's a wrap!
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no, i think prince is referring to using machines to do the playing and singing. even prince uses computers to aid in the special effects, such as lighting, images, etc. | |
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SassierBritches said: no, i think prince is referring to using machines to do the playing and singing. even prince uses computers to aid in the special effects, such as lighting, images, etc.
You're not listening. He just said this very thing in the most recent interview on MuchMoreMusic. Lighting cues are done on the fly on the Musicology Tour. He has a lighting guy he talks to during some of his aftershows. | |
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Jestyr said: SassierBritches said: no, i think prince is referring to using machines to do the playing and singing. even prince uses computers to aid in the special effects, such as lighting, images, etc.
You're not listening. He just said this very thing in the most recent interview on MuchMoreMusic. Lighting cues are done on the fly on the Musicology Tour. He has a lighting guy he talks to during some of his aftershows.  "you're not listening"... you're killin' me!
what does on cue lighting have to do with live musicianship? its not really a matter of "not listening" as much as its a matter of thinking for myself. | |
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SassierBritches said: Jestyr said: You're not listening. He just said this very thing in the most recent interview on MuchMoreMusic. Lighting cues are done on the fly on the Musicology Tour. He has a lighting guy he talks to during some of his aftershows. "you're not listening"... you're killin' me!
what does on cue lighting have to do with live musicianship? its not really a matter of "not listening" as much as its a matter of thinking for myself. It's all part of a live performance. Even the lighting cues. My point is that most people are misinterpreting (once again) Prince's comments about computers in the mix. He's talking about lipsynch playback and 'automated' performances as opposed to something done in real time, live with unexpected moments. What people THINK he is saying is that you shouldn't use computers to record or play, which is NOT what he means. There are computers on stage with the band at every show, but they are used to augment the instruments and NOT to perform the show FOR the musicians like it would for most pop artists (like Janet Jackson). | |
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I hate it when people try to pretend as if Prince is some big exception. It doesn't matter what Prince is doing for HIS show. Nobody likes a player hater. Gloria's musicians are just as talented as Prince's band and to dismiss them as less such is not only wrong but rude...and a lie. I've seen Gloria's show before. There's a lot of flash involved. She has a core audience just like Prince does and she caters to her crowd (unlike Prince). Just because he changes his mind 50 times a day about how he does things doesn't mean anyone else has to. Putting a large scale show together is hard. Yeah, computers mess up, but they also enhance. Its ridiculous to entertain the notion that Prince & Co. are the only ones playing their instruments on tours. How STUPID does that sound? During the Rave tour, Prince had more shit going than Gloria has on her tours in general. Does that mean nobody was playing anything? Prince isn't doing an all acoustic show. He's still using technology. How can one condemn one form and utilize another without being a hypocrite?
For the record, I also think Prince meant using computers as a crutch is a problem when creating music. Still, since what one uses as a tool is not a direct reflection of one's musical knowledge, its all subjective. Since Gloria's music is more complex than most contemporary pop, she is a bad example to use. Also, I'm sure the Musicology tour is not flawless at every show. It all depends on the type of show you do. Something ultra-theatrical like Janet's show benefits from the use of computers. Prince doesn't do that type of show. He does the frontman/band thing. Less technology needed, also less interesting to watch. Plus, Gloria's show is down because of a technical problem. If all of Prince's gear got smashed up or something, he'd have to cancel a show, too. | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: Wanna know the correct lyrics to Tamborine?
Sure. Who's gonna provide them?  | |
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WOW!! I hope you or that article weren't inferring that Gloria Estefan lipsynchs or relies soley on computers to back her up. It doesn't say that she used a DAT machine, it may have been a program that controls lighting or other stage effects. Gloria is too big & classy of an artist to be a lipsyncher. She didn't gain her fame & fortune by being a half ass artist. Jeux Sans Frontiers | |
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Jestyr said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: Wanna know the correct lyrics to Tamborine?
Sure. Who's gonna provide them? A transcription company perhaps?.... 
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Jestyr said: SassierBritches said: "you're not listening"... you're killin' me!
what does on cue lighting have to do with live musicianship? its not really a matter of "not listening" as much as its a matter of thinking for myself. It's all part of a live performance. Even the lighting cues. My point is that most people are misinterpreting (once again) Prince's comments about computers in the mix. He's talking about lipsynch playback and 'automated' performances as opposed to something done in real time, live with unexpected moments. What people THINK he is saying is that you shouldn't use computers to record or play, which is NOT what he means. There are computers on stage with the band at every show, but they are used to augment the instruments and NOT to perform the show FOR the musicians like it would for most pop artists (like Janet Jackson). i suppose if you believe prince's way is the ONLY way, this whole thread has some kind of relevance. if you agree, however, that different performers have different styles of performing therefore require different technical aids for their performance you may find yourself saying "what's the point?" does janet jackson play instruments on stage? no. is everything scripted? yes. was lovesexy scripted? yes. was the purple rain tour scripted? yes. i'll admit part of the fun of going to a prince show is the fact that you don't know if you're going to hear the same set as the night before. with that in mind, though, prince has done several scripted tours wherein the same show was performed each night. the diamonds and pearls tour, the lovesexy tour, the purple rain tour, the hit n' run tour from 2001, the nude tour...all of these shows were choreographed...like janet's or madonna's are. i don't think there is one thing wrong with either way. both styles are enjoyable and have their place. just because prince has abandoned that style of performance does not mean they are any less satisfying. quite honestly, i enjoyed the current madonna tour more than ANY other concert i've ever been to. since this is all subjective, though, i would never look down upon those who enjoy a different kind of performance. . [This message was edited Tue Aug 10 14:24:32 2004 by SassierBritches] | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: Jestyr said: Sure. Who's gonna provide them? A transcription company perhaps?....
Seems like it would be a lot easier just to use my own two ears and a little common sense.  [This message was edited Tue Aug 10 14:41:02 2004 by Jestyr] | |
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SassierBritches said: Jestyr said: It's all part of a live performance. Even the lighting cues. My point is that most people are misinterpreting (once again) Prince's comments about computers in the mix. He's talking about lipsynch playback and 'automated' performances as opposed to something done in real time, live with unexpected moments. What people THINK he is saying is that you shouldn't use computers to record or play, which is NOT what he means. There are computers on stage with the band at every show, but they are used to augment the instruments and NOT to perform the show FOR the musicians like it would for most pop artists (like Janet Jackson). i suppose if you believe prince's way is the ONLY way, this whole thread has some kind of relevance. if you agree, however, that different performers have different styles of performing therefore require different technical aids for their performance you may find yourself saying "what's the point?" does janet jackson play instruments on stage? no. is everything scripted? yes. was lovesexy scripted? yes. was the purple rain tour scripted? yes. i'll admit part of the fun of going to a prince show is the fact that you don't know if you're going to hear the same set as the night before. with that in mind, though, prince has done several scripted tours wherein the same show was performed each night. the diamonds and pearls tour, the lovesexy tour, the purple rain tour, the hit n' run tour from 2001, the nude tour...all of these shows were choreographed...like janet's or madonna's are. i don't think there is one thing wrong with either way. both styles are enjoyable and have their place. just because prince has abandoned that style of performance does not mean they are any less satisfying. quite honestly, i enjoyed the current madonna tour more than ANY other concert i've ever been to. since this is all subjective, though, i would never look down upon those who enjoy a different kind of performance. . [This message was edited Tue Aug 10 14:24:32 2004 by SassierBritches] I totally get what you guys are saying and no, this thread certainly wasn't meant to direpute Gloria's musical talents or those of her kick ass band; I think she has a killer conga player and these are people Prince has even worked with. What I'm driving at is that too many resources are being used to push the music industry into a spectacle-oriented business as opposed to a music-oriented one. The most marketing, promotion and public attention is being given to those who don't play an instrument or perform live. The arts of songwriting and playing instruments are becoming extinct and the art of performing is also suffering as a result. I know that most attitudes are "different strokes...", but the bigger 'strokes' are exhausting the resources for the smaller ones and I don't want that to watch that happen. [This message was edited Tue Aug 10 14:42:05 2004 by Jestyr] | |
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Jestyr said: S
I totally get what you guys are saying and no, this thread certainly wasn't meant to direpute Gloria's musical talents or those of her kick ass band; I think she has a killer conga player and these are people Prince has even worked with. What I'm driving at is that too many resources are being used to push the music industry into a spectacle-oriented business as opposed to a music-oriented one. The most marketing, promotion and public attention is being given to those who don't play an instrument or perform live. The arts of songwriting and playing instruments are becoming extinct and the art of performing is also suffering as a result. I know that most attitudes are "different strokes...", but the bigger 'strokes' are exhausting the resources for the smaller ones and I don't want that to watch that happen. [This message was edited Tue Aug 10 14:42:05 2004 by Jestyr] The progressions in technology have pushed the music industry into a spectacle oriented business. I agree with most of what you say, I just disagree as siting Gloria as an example. Now if Ashanti's show was cancelled due to her ProTools system breaking down and she couldn't sing to her backing tracks, then I'd agree. Even so, its still a different type of show. Musicians have to quit selling out and take more of an interest in performing live. Stop selling tracks to untalented producers like Sean Combs, etc. and stand up and demand a say in production and demad influence. That's one way of getting back to "real music". | |
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Are we talking the province of pop musicians? Popular acts you typically see on the charts or MTV. Those are the least siginifcant in terms of musicianship as far as I'm concerned
This year, I've seen PFunk, King's X, Medeski Martin & Wood, Karl Denson Tiny Universe, Original Low Riders, Buckethead, Primus, Weapon of Choice, Fishbone, LiLi Haydn, Robert Randolph Family Band and Gov't Mule. plus a few others. All these acts performed live, without any pre-recorded computerized performances. I don't know what you think is so unique about Prince performing live. I see live bands all the time. True, none played a hall as big a venue as Prince is playing, but is Prince the only musician you know? test | |
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PFunkJazz, you must live in SoCal. How's the DJ gig coming? | |
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BlaqueKnight said: [color=blue:eaafd00d84]PFunkJazz, you must live in SoCal. How's the DJ gig coming?[/color]
yeah wthink e're kinda spoiled out here? the gig is going good. getting the hang of things and treating it like a business. keep holding these cats down with logic and reason BK. I got my eye on you. test | |
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PFunkjazz said: Are we talking the province of pop musicians? Popular acts you typically see on the charts or MTV. Those are the least siginifcant in terms of musicianship as far as I'm concerned
This year, I've seen PFunk, King's X, Medeski Martin & Wood, Karl Denson Tiny Universe, Original Low Riders, Buckethead, Primus, Weapon of Choice, Fishbone, LiLi Haydn, Robert Randolph Family Band and Gov't Mule. plus a few others. All these acts performed live, without any pre-recorded computerized performances. I don't know what you think is so unique about Prince performing live. I see live bands all the time. True, none played a hall as big a venue as Prince is playing, but is Prince the only musician you know? The things people read into my posts is amazing. I never said ANYWHERE that Prince is the only musician who cares about playing live music or that Prince is the only musician I know or used the phrase 'unique'. There are thousands of bands keeping the spirit alive. I saw a shitload of them at the Coachella Festival. Prince is one. BlaqueKnight and I are on the same page with this. I think most are. | |
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Jestyr said: SassierBritches said: "you're not listening"... you're killin' me!
what does on cue lighting have to do with live musicianship? its not really a matter of "not listening" as much as its a matter of thinking for myself. It's all part of a live performance. Even the lighting cues. My point is that most people are misinterpreting (once again) Prince's comments about computers in the mix. He's talking about lipsynch playback and 'automated' performances as opposed to something done in real time, live with unexpected moments. What people THINK he is saying is that you shouldn't use computers to record or play, which is NOT what he means. There are computers on stage with the band at every show, but they are used to augment the instruments and NOT to perform the show FOR the musicians like it would for most pop artists (like Janet Jackson). well, ya know... even if the lighting cues are on the fly at his shows, a computer problem that causes the lights not to work to light up the stage is going to mean that his show will be cancelled as well. no point in putting on a concert if it can't be seen. not sure what the lighting cues being on the fly has to do with anything. and besides, Prince built his career (not to mention his best music) on computers. "I don't need your forgiveness, cos I've been saved by Jesus, so fuck you." | |
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Tessa said: not sure what the lighting cues being on the fly has to do with anything.
Fo' reals. ` [This message was edited Tue Aug 10 18:21:17 2004 by Supernova] This post not for the wimp contingent. All whiny wusses avert your eyes. | |
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When the title of the thread says that "this is what prince is talking about". I had to wonder.
I've heard quotes saying "no dj's" or "no lip sync-ing" and even "real music, by real musicians" (nice tag line) but when I saw him in the front row I did not hear "no computerized lighting cues". I would've remembered that, I'm sure of it. That was what this article said about Gloria and the gang, right? | |
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Jestyr said: PFunkjazz said: Are we talking the province of pop musicians? Popular acts you typically see on the charts or MTV. Those are the least siginifcant in terms of musicianship as far as I'm concerned
This year, I've seen PFunk, King's X, Medeski Martin & Wood, Karl Denson Tiny Universe, Original Low Riders, Buckethead, Primus, Weapon of Choice, Fishbone, LiLi Haydn, Robert Randolph Family Band and Gov't Mule. plus a few others. All these acts performed live, without any pre-recorded computerized performances. I don't know what you think is so unique about Prince performing live. I see live bands all the time. True, none played a hall as big a venue as Prince is playing, but is Prince the only musician you know? The things people read into my posts is amazing. I never said ANYWHERE that Prince is the only musician who cares about playing live music or that Prince is the only musician I know or used the phrase 'unique'. There are thousands of bands keeping the spirit alive. I saw a shitload of them at the Coachella Festival. Prince is one. BlaqueKnight and I are on the same page with this. I think most are. Reading the thread, it's hard to figure what your Prince reference is regarding. The link goes to an article about Gloria Estefan and a computer glitch. I don't follow every thread around here so I have no idea "exactly what Prince is talking about". On this basis, I assumed Prince was the only musician you ever got out to see. That's what I read into your post. test | |
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The question should be...why does Prince really care what other performers do at their shows? I think it's great that his shows rely on real music and no pre-recorded tracks,bravo! But every artist is different.Some artists (Madonna is a prime example) are more interested in doing shows that are more theatrical and Broadway-ish than your regular concert.It's just the type of artist she is.Gloria Estefan uses alot of computers,props and choreographed dance routines too,and there's nothing wrong with that. | |
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DavidEye said: The question should be...why does Prince really care what other performers do at their shows?
Maybe he thinks the art of performing live is dying?  Musicians need love too    I never met you, but I LOVE you & I will forever!! Thank you for being YOU - my little Princey, the best to EVER do it | |
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CalhounSq said: DavidEye said: The question should be...why does Prince really care what other performers do at their shows?
Maybe he thinks the art of performing live is dying? Musicians need love too I actually don't believe that the art of performing live is dying.There are MANY,MANY artists and bands that are still going strong.Perhaps i'll have to take Prince to a Jamiroquai concert? | |
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DavidEye said: CalhounSq said: Maybe he thinks the art of performing live is dying? Musicians need love too I actually don't believe that the art of performing live is dying.There are MANY,MANY artists and bands that are still going strong.Perhaps i'll have to take Prince to a Jamiroquai concert? Sure, we can site specific examples But MAYBE he's feeling like he wants to jump in & try to reverse the trend of getting further & further away from live instrumentation. Let's say live instruments are being used 75% less in the studio today than 20 years ago (I have no idea, I'm just throwing out a #) - what's to stop that trend from bleeding over to the stage more & more over time? What if 75% of performers used pre-recorded tapes at all times?  Just a thought
. [This message was edited Wed Aug 11 4:46:15 2004 by CalhounSq] I never met you, but I LOVE you & I will forever!! Thank you for being YOU - my little Princey, the best to EVER do it | |
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CalhounSq said: DavidEye said: I actually don't believe that the art of performing live is dying.There are MANY,MANY artists and bands that are still going strong.Perhaps i'll have to take Prince to a Jamiroquai concert? Sure, we can site specific examples But MAYBE he's feeling like he wants to jump in & try to reverse the trend of getting further & further away from live instrumentation. Let's say live instruments are being used 75% less in the studio today than 20 years ago (I have no idea, I'm just throwing out a #) - what's to stop that trend from bleeding over to the stage more & more over time? What if 75% of performers used pre-recorded tapes at all times? Just a thought
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if prince thinks live performers are a dying breed, he should check out the indie bands on the scene. maybe, since he has npg records, he'll sign some of these great bands and get their names out there. this would be far more effective than sitting backstage and pointing fingers. | |
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CalhounSq said: DavidEye said: The question should be...why does Prince really care what other performers do at their shows?
Maybe he thinks the art of performing live is dying? Musicians need love too [This message was edited Wed Aug 11 17:30:23 2004 by ELBOOGY] U,ME,WE!....2FUNKY! | |
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SassierBritches said: if prince thinks live performers are a dying breed, he should check out the indie bands on the scene. maybe, since he has npg records, he'll sign some of these great bands and get their names out there. this would be far more effective than sitting backstage and pointing fingers. P has always gave a shout out out 2 indie artists and if u would have been 2 the Xenaphobia celabrations he promoted some of the great live acts that we're not major players in the industry. P is wondering y these acts r not being signed or groomed. He's pointing the finger and blame at the Record Industry.Get ya facts str8!U,ME,WE!....2FUNKY! | |
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